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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14161 Posts
August 22 2017 04:24 GMT
#1461
He used a Racial slur. I don't give a shit in what context you shouldn't get away from that.

Also I got blindly mad when someone insinuated that the stay at home mom was a slave. Is that somehow wildly out of context or what the fuck?
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
August 22 2017 12:13 GMT
#1462
I read it not as an insinuation that housewives are slaves, rather that the role of the housewife and its attendant obfuscation relative to how much "work" goes into maintaining a household deserves lip service outside the scope of typical "wage earner" analyses.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44203 Posts
August 22 2017 13:50 GMT
#1463
On August 22 2017 13:24 Sermokala wrote:
He used a Racial slur. I don't give a shit in what context you shouldn't get away from that.

Also I got blindly mad when someone insinuated that the stay at home mom was a slave. Is that somehow wildly out of context or what the fuck?

I believe the argument being made there was that society has created a system of assumptions and expectations that place obligations for labour on women without acknowledging the value of the labour performed.

I think context matters.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-23 20:26:18
August 23 2017 17:59 GMT
#1464
On August 24 2017 00:52 zlefin wrote:
let's just all try ignoring danglars? I know it's hard to do, for me especially, but he's drunk the koolaid, and ignores reality and reason, there's no gettnig throguh to him and he doens't bring anything useful or insightful to the conversation; mostly he just makes it worse and adds lies and disinformation and a moderate lack of reality. (not quite to noidberg levels, but still pretty bad).


Question for mods: shouldn't posts in that style be actionable? Pretty much a direct character attack on other posters without content to back it up but doesn't get actioned when reported. Link
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6325 Posts
August 23 2017 18:18 GMT
#1465
On August 22 2017 13:24 Sermokala wrote:
He used a Racial slur. I don't give a shit in what context you shouldn't get away from that.

Also I got blindly mad when someone insinuated that the stay at home mom was a slave. Is that somehow wildly out of context or what the fuck?

In case it were to matter, I believe he was putting words into the mouths of people who dismiss identities with the wrong ideology to criticize those people, like with people shouting down "Uncle Toms."

Maybe I'm reaching but I'm trying to figure out what the standard is, one liners of Mike "turns fruits into vegetables" Pence are okay, would one liners of Mike "gas the kikes, race war now" Pence be okay, if so would it be because the target is on a certain side of the aisle, or because "kike" isn't as bad as "coon," or the context has to somehow outweigh the word, because you can't just call people "fruits" I would presume. What are the dimensions supposed to be... context, partisanship, offensiveness? Or just the last?

On August 24 2017 00:52 KwarK wrote:
I mean all I'm really getting from your rebuttal is "fake news", "liberal colleges", and "out of touch New York elites".

On August 24 2017 02:47 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2017 02:44 Danglars wrote:
On August 24 2017 00:52 KwarK wrote:
I mean all I'm really getting from your rebuttal is "fake news", "liberal colleges", and "out of touch New York elites".

It's almost like all you understand is buzzwords and sound bites. I don't really know what to say.

Say something other than buzzwords?

That was good.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-23 20:29:40
August 23 2017 20:27 GMT
#1466
On August 24 2017 02:59 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2017 00:52 zlefin wrote:
let's just all try ignoring danglars? I know it's hard to do, for me especially, but he's drunk the koolaid, and ignores reality and reason, there's no gettnig throguh to him and he doens't bring anything useful or insightful to the conversation; mostly he just makes it worse and adds lies and disinformation and a moderate lack of reality. (not quite to noidberg levels, but still pretty bad).


Question for mods: shouldn't posts in that style be actionable? Pretty much a direct character attack on other posters without content to back it up but doesn't get actioned when reported.

you don't get ot complain about shitposters, then complain when people try to cut down on the shitposting. I think we all agree that if I'd stop going at it with danglars and xdaunt, (the known long term shitposters who should be banned); then the thread woule be better for it. and encouraging others iwth whom they fight to also stop talking to them sounds like a net improvement to me. objecting to people trying to make the thread better by not responding to the shitposters is odd.
and don't complain about bad posters if you're not willing to favor action against all of them like I do.
and you shoudln't conclude they won't action me until given at least a day; they're quite slow to action people, because they don't have anyone who follows the thread monitor it to nip things in the bud, they only get to issues far afterwards.

on the more general topic: my there's a bunch of talk now; maybe there'll be some action. hopefully it's well thought out action; though it sounds like the mods are super reluctant to actuall ymoderate the thread to ensure a quality discussion.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 23 2017 20:49 GMT
#1467
I love how this thread has degraded down to people trying to convince the mods to help them win internet arguments.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14161 Posts
August 23 2017 21:28 GMT
#1468
This thread was created by zelfin to try and convince the mods to help him win internet arguments.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 23 2017 23:48 GMT
#1469
The infection has spread.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14161 Posts
August 24 2017 01:05 GMT
#1470
The Us politics thread was designated as the forums designated shit pile so playing in it would spread infections.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-24 06:51:08
August 24 2017 06:48 GMT
#1471
Well the idea of a containment thread was fine in concept, but I fear the infection is slowly spreading to other threads (i.e. UK politics, EU politics).

The note at the top of the US politics as well as the OP is just precious reading though. It's like the two things are for a completely different thread and it's just some glitch that has made them "attached" to the US politics thread.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9642 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-25 20:25:37
August 25 2017 20:23 GMT
#1472
Original Message From zlefin:
own up to what you did; rather than shitposting like the troll you are. accusing others of trolling, when you are the one trolling, a classic rich troll tactic.
shame you won't get the ban you deserve for it.


i've incurred the wrath of the shrew.

lol go police someone else you petty little shit. i'm not a fan of being harassed in PMs, either air your bullshit or leave me alone.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-25 21:01:38
August 25 2017 20:59 GMT
#1473
brian the troll complains; if you hadn't shitposted in the first place, there woudln't be an issue; own up to your shitposting rather than lying about it and deflecting onto others.
you started this with your own bad behavior; you started the insults, not me. you started the poor posting.

for reference, issue in question starts here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=8553#171048

Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 25 2017 21:19 GMT
#1474
Boys boys, it's Friday. We can all get along and accept our role as politics shit posters. None of us are free from sin.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9642 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-25 21:32:37
August 25 2017 21:21 GMT
#1475
On August 26 2017 05:59 zlefin wrote:
brian the troll complains; if you hadn't shitposted in the first place, there woudln't be an issue; own up to your shitposting rather than lying about it and deflecting onto others.
you started this with your own bad behavior; you started the insults, not me. you started the poor posting.

for reference, issue in question starts here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=8553#171048


your yes/no question did not deserve an additional post so that i could give you a one word answer. sorry if you thought otherwise, you'd be wrong, again. i didn't insult you. your immediate response was to call me a troll and a shitposter. that's on you. don't PM me in the future with your useless retorts.

thanks.

On August 26 2017 06:19 Plansix wrote:
Boys boys, it's Friday. We can all get along and accept our role as politics shit posters. None of us are free from sin


i will not sit idly by while some stranger on the internet IS WRONG
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
August 25 2017 21:31 GMT
#1476
My own advice for some of you guys is to stop backseat moderating. It's gotten a bit ridiculous to see everyone pointing fingers at everyone else. There might be valid complaints in there but they get shrouded by the constant finger pointing. If you engage in a discussion with someone and you find that they aren't as responsive as you'd like, quit the conversation. Don't start posting low content shit that will be actioned. I could go on but I'll wait and see how things progress.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-25 22:51:19
August 25 2017 22:44 GMT
#1477
bigfan, you need to be more careful with your moderation; in particular: brian's post right above the one of mine you warned is equally bad as mine, and was not actioned, despite that he was the clear instigator here.
did you get my messages bigfan? I was trying to appeal and dispute the matter with you, but you didn't respond to any of my inquiries, so I couldn't tell whether you got them or not. maybe I typed in your name wrong? I suppose that'd have to be it, cuz you would've responded.

PS backseat moderating woudln't be necessary if the moderation did a better job in the first place. if things seem like frontier justice, it's because there's a lack of law in the area to otherwise deal with problems.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 25 2017 23:26 GMT
#1478
On August 26 2017 07:44 zlefin wrote:
bigfan, you need to be more careful with your moderation; in particular: brian's post right above the one of mine you warned is equally bad as mine, and was not actioned, despite that he was the clear instigator here.
did you get my messages bigfan? I was trying to appeal and dispute the matter with you, but you didn't respond to any of my inquiries, so I couldn't tell whether you got them or not. maybe I typed in your name wrong? I suppose that'd have to be it, cuz you would've responded.

PS backseat moderating woudln't be necessary if the moderation did a better job in the first place. if things seem like frontier justice, it's because there's a lack of law in the area to otherwise deal with problems.

None are free from sin. None.

Don't @ me.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
August 25 2017 23:42 GMT
#1479
On August 26 2017 08:26 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2017 07:44 zlefin wrote:
bigfan, you need to be more careful with your moderation; in particular: brian's post right above the one of mine you warned is equally bad as mine, and was not actioned, despite that he was the clear instigator here.
did you get my messages bigfan? I was trying to appeal and dispute the matter with you, but you didn't respond to any of my inquiries, so I couldn't tell whether you got them or not. maybe I typed in your name wrong? I suppose that'd have to be it, cuz you would've responded.

PS backseat moderating woudln't be necessary if the moderation did a better job in the first place. if things seem like frontier justice, it's because there's a lack of law in the area to otherwise deal with problems.

None are free from sin. None.

Don't @ me.


even Jesus slept w mary the prostitute
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9642 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-25 23:51:07
August 25 2017 23:43 GMT
#1480
On August 26 2017 07:44 zlefin wrote:
bigfan, you need to be more careful with your moderation; in particular: brian's post right above the one of mine you warned is equally bad as mine, and was not actioned, despite that he was the clear instigator here.
did you get my messages bigfan? I was trying to appeal and dispute the matter with you, but you didn't respond to any of my inquiries, so I couldn't tell whether you got them or not. maybe I typed in your name wrong? I suppose that'd have to be it, cuz you would've responded.

PS backseat moderating woudln't be necessary if the moderation did a better job in the first place. if things seem like frontier justice, it's because there's a lack of law in the area to otherwise deal with problems.

as it always does, context matters. my post wasn't as bad as yours at all, especially considering i had to respond to your sudden and unwarranted personal attacks.

and idk how you can sit here and try to sell people on me being the instigator. how detached are you?

your question did not deserve an extra reply for a one word answer. your reaction to this was to flame me, PM me additional flame, call me a shitposter, and attempt to educate me on the proper way you are to be responded to. get a grip. that you do all this and somehow wonder how it's me that isn't banned boggles the mind.
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