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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22519 Posts
October 28 2020 09:54 GMT
#6181
Pretty much the same, Came here for Broodwar in the days of Moletrap casting from his universities parking lotand got into talking about politics when Broodwar went to sleep a while for SC2.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37103 Posts
October 28 2020 13:22 GMT
#6182
On October 28 2020 13:39 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
I'd guess people who used to be into starcraft but have moved on from that part of it but still keep up with people in the politics thread for reasons that vary. I almost exclusively post in the abl thread these days although I still follow starcraft.

regarding the US thread I used to post in it and it really seemed more and more like it turned into the same people arguing amongst themselves which I became less interested in participating in. which is kind of like the LOL off topic/lounge thread I was into for a while before it moved to discord which I don't really use ever. I'm not sure what locking the thread would accomplish if you leave the other political threads open cause some of the conversation might just migrate over there.

anyway I no longer participate in it so I guess my personal feelings are kinda irrelevant lol.

We wouldn’t just lock the thread. We would ban politics altogether. So that would mean closing down the USPMT and all other political threads.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19237 Posts
October 28 2020 13:29 GMT
#6183
You'll also notice in section 7 of the Terms of Use political discussion is already banned. It's only through an active decision to not action all political content that these threads exist in the first place.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24793 Posts
October 28 2020 13:33 GMT
#6184
It's like State legalization of marijuana.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
October 28 2020 18:09 GMT
#6185
On October 28 2020 22:33 micronesia wrote:
It's like State legalization of marijuana.


Yeah. But instead of getting chilled and relaxed we get angry and pedantic instead.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 02 2020 00:50 GMT
#6186
Danglars, I'm sorry but I think that you need to take a break from the USPMT. I agree with other people talking about how you refuse to argue in good faith. You can't seem to ever admit the other side is right regardless of how much evidence gets provided to you. It's been an ongoing pattern for a while now, and at some point, we have to step in and say that enough is enough.


Republicans filing cases in court and Danglars explaining why they're doing it isn't "right and wrong." No clue what the mods are thinking here.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-02 01:10:29
November 02 2020 01:03 GMT
#6187
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 02 2020 01:59 GMT
#6188
On November 02 2020 10:03 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2020 09:50 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Danglars, I'm sorry but I think that you need to take a break from the USPMT. I agree with other people talking about how you refuse to argue in good faith. You can't seem to ever admit the other side is right regardless of how much evidence gets provided to you. It's been an ongoing pattern for a while now, and at some point, we have to step in and say that enough is enough.


Republicans filing cases in court and Danglars explaining why they're doing it isn't "right and wrong." No clue what the mods are thinking here.

I disagree. When it comes to trying to get rid of 100,000 votes purely because you think most are for the other guy is awful and wrong. Many Republicans are coming out to say the same. And Danglars is particularly bad for sometimes swapping his logic mid conversation or flat out making stuff up.

But I also think when people make offensive claims with out backing it up about "western media" misrepresenting Chinas treatment of the Uighurs. Who or which side the claims come from should not matter.


The only bad thing here is mis-reading of Danglar's point. If you follow the conversation he pointed out times in the past that court filings have been made purely to count in favor (Bush v Gore 2000, Clinton 2016). Get out of your echo chamber and understand the argument. This goes back to a larger point he makes all the time. Stop seeing doom and gloom in everything. The Republican Supreme Court of Texas refused to throw out the votes.

TLDR: This happens all the time. Have more faith in the government because they ruled exactly like you wanted.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12502 Posts
November 02 2020 05:46 GMT
#6189
It's a bit of bad timing for Danglars to get banned, if Trump loses it would have been fun to watch him explain why Trump is right not to leave power.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44242 Posts
November 02 2020 05:53 GMT
#6190
On November 02 2020 14:46 Nebuchad wrote:
It's a bit of bad timing for Danglars to get banned, if Trump loses it would have been fun to watch him explain why Trump is right not to leave power.

Presumably the first reason would be “it’s not January for another two months”.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-02 12:26:05
November 02 2020 12:22 GMT
#6191
Danglars get banned for " refuse to argue in good faith. You can't seem to ever admit the other side is right regardless of how much evidence gets provided to you. It's been an ongoing pattern for a while now, and at some point, we have to step in and say that enough is enough." but currently in the European Pol thread, GH and Nebuchad are apologists for the beheadings of the Islamic terrorist attacks in France. Priorities.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18411 Posts
November 02 2020 12:37 GMT
#6192
I think banning danglars for "not arguing in good faith" is a bit much. There are many people who don't argue in good faith in the thread. Ban them for specific infractions, not for something as wishy washy as that. Danglars is infuriating to argue with, but he is a civil and correct contributor with a very very different opinion to the majority of posters. He deserves a bit of slack (and I argue the same way for GH, btw).
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9959 Posts
November 02 2020 12:58 GMT
#6193
On November 02 2020 21:22 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
GH and Nebuchad are apologists for the beheadings of the Islamic terrorist attacks in France.

No they aren't, and that you would read what they wrote that way says more about you than it does them.
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10358 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-02 13:52:21
November 02 2020 13:49 GMT
#6194
FWIW as someone who is often (mostly silently) critical of GreenHorizon's positions, I may have missed something, but I don't see any apologia in the way he discusses the beheading situation - only a meta-level approach. I don't think it's necessary to preface any statement about such acts with a clear denouncement, because it seems common sense and heavily implied to me. I'd be appalled if anyone on these forums ACTUALLY defended those and other, similar, vile acts - both ways.

EDIT: For clarity, I don't see the colonialism argument as being an excuse for the actions, more of an explanation and more interesting discussion topic as a whole, especially as opposed to "beheading bad, Muslims also bad?" I don't see GH saying the French people /deserved/ this string of attacks.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 02 2020 14:21 GMT
#6195
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10358 Posts
November 02 2020 15:02 GMT
#6196
Jimmi, can you link some of those posts in particular? I believe it would help paint the picture better.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 02 2020 15:55 GMT
#6197
Regarding Danglars:
Eh, it wasn't JUST that argument. A bunch of small bad faith arguments have been piling up, basically. The other ones he mostly just ignored any evidence presented from the other side or tweaked his argument slightly so he could ignore them.

That one was a massive doozy, though. Comparing a bonkers, unprecedented request to invalidate 100-130k legitimately cast ballots to two recount requests doesn't really make any sense (especially when one was accepted as valid and the other was thrown out and both resulted in no change).

Why was the comparison so ridiculous? Recounts change the final margin by, on average, 40 votes. That request was the equivalent of 2,500 average recounts! It's more than a few orders of magnitude different.

(The largest margin change ever was by 1,020 points, and almost no others come close to that)

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-recount-is-unlikely-to-change-the-north-carolina-governors-race/

Recounts happen in every democracy. Attempt to throw out >100k votes that your party approved of, just because you're afraid of how they voted, is something that only happens in banana republics.

Regarding GH: this isn't the EU politics feedback thread, is it? I've not seen any Uighur discussion in the US pol thread in months (I don't participate in EU because I know nothing about the EU's politics).
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28876 Posts
November 02 2020 15:58 GMT
#6198
Man this is some really tired bullshit. The idea that GH or Neb are 'apologists for beheadings' is really fucking stupid.

Danglars was banned for a week. That stuff happens. GH has served several temp bans. His 'friends in high places' successfully petitioned for a permban to be turned into a 1 month ban.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 02 2020 16:49 GMT
#6199
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12502 Posts
November 02 2020 17:15 GMT
#6200
On November 02 2020 14:53 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2020 14:46 Nebuchad wrote:
It's a bit of bad timing for Danglars to get banned, if Trump loses it would have been fun to watch him explain why Trump is right not to leave power.

Presumably the first reason would be “it’s not January for another two months”.


Fair enough, he'll have to say whether he accepts the results or not pretty soon tho, correct?

For the rest, keep me out of this bs please.
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