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Hyrule19193 Posts
On October 25 2020 20:21 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I am little disturbed that there isn't a "legitimate" reason given. Are pages of mod notes a reason now, without some kind of trigger? If they are now, are mods going to be consistent about that? Is TL Pol mods going to be regulating truths now? If so, why in 2020 now, without warning, not 2016 or 2019? Or is it a case that Doodsmack doesn't have friends to support him or friends in high places to apologise on his behalf?
We share ban reasons out of courtesy, not because we have to. We even have a little box we can uncheck so the ban doesn't go in the ABL.
If you absolutely need a reason for every ban and can't find one, go read commandment #1.
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There was a reason given besides his mod history, anyways: his recent posting in the USPMT.
On October 23 2020 04:52 TL.net Bot wrote:
Doodsmack was just banned by Seeker.
That account was created on 2010-08-17 14:55:43 and had 7223 posts.
Reason: You have 4 pages of mod notes? Good God... Why exactly did we give you so many second chances...?
Your recent posts in the USPMT have more than convinced me that it is finally time for us to part ways. I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors.
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On October 25 2020 23:59 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2020 20:21 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I am little disturbed that there isn't a "legitimate" reason given. Are pages of mod notes a reason now, without some kind of trigger? If they are now, are mods going to be consistent about that? Is TL Pol mods going to be regulating truths now? If so, why in 2020 now, without warning, not 2016 or 2019? Or is it a case that Doodsmack doesn't have friends to support him or friends in high places to apologise on his behalf? We share ban reasons out of courtesy, not because we have to. We even have a little box we can uncheck so the ban doesn't go in the ABL. If you absolutely need a reason for every ban and can't find one, go read commandment #1.
No shit Sherlock, if mods have to give legit reasons, why would there be a post in the feedback thread talking about a lack of one?
Yes yes yes, we know, mods can ban anybody and they don't need to give a reason, because well, they have the power to ban anyone without reason. Self evident and circular logic. Don't know why you repeat this as we don't know this, and as if there isn't a better way. Doesn't really subtract that no real reason was given. We already know mods can ban people without reason.
Is being obstinate supposed to be bannable? Might as well ban all the US Pol posters.
Is using lingo from subreddits or personal lingo supposed to be bannable? Might as well ban half the US Pol posters.
Is spreading misinformation repeatedly bannable? Might as well ban half the US Pol posters.
Is having pages of mod notes bannable? I'm sure there are plenty posting away in the US Pol thread.
Ultimately it feels like Doodsmack got banned because he doesn't have any friends in the US Pol thread. Or perhaps he offended a mod personally. If you are going to start to ban people for engaging in bad faith you might as well be consistent and set and good example by starting with the ones with the most friends, rather than the friendless. Don't give us this "we can ban whoever we want without reason, because we have the power" malarkey. Be consistent and be brave about it.
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Hyrule19193 Posts
"I shall insult the guy who just said he's fine with banning whoever he wants" is a stupid way to make a point.
Anyway, I have suggested several times that we ban most of the US Pol regulars and close the thread. Luckily for you guys I am overruled every time.
So, I will break this down easily for you:
On October 26 2020 21:40 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Is being obstinate supposed to be bannable? Yes
On October 26 2020 21:40 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Is using lingo from subreddits or personal lingo supposed to be bannable? Generally no, but if it's hateful language yes.
On October 26 2020 21:40 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Is spreading misinformation repeatedly bannable? Absolutely.
On October 26 2020 21:40 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Is having pages of mod notes bannable? Not by itself, but 3+ pages of mod notes can turn a warning into a perm pretty quick.
Doodsmack was banned because his posting is absolute trash. That he has "no friends in the US Pol thread" is not a cause but most likely for the same reason he was banned.
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On October 26 2020 21:51 tofucake wrote:
"I shall insult the guy who just said he's fine with banning whoever he wants" is a stupid way to make a point.
Acknowledging that you have the power to ban and to say so is circular logic and self evident is an insult now?
We know, you have the ban power, yet there you are constantly boasting about it. It wasn't even you who nominally banned doodsmack, it was Seeker. I'll rather hear from Seeker's thoughts than someone who is so obviously want to boast he can ban that he responds to the acknowledgement that he has the power to unilaterally ban someone, by threatening to do just that under the pretense of being insulted.
On October 26 2020 21:51 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2020 21:40 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Is being obstinate supposed to be bannable? Yes Then why isn't most of the US Pol thread banned? Just Doodsmack, who has no friends in the thread. In order for one to be obstinate, so there must always be another. Where is the consistency?
On October 26 2020 21:51 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2020 21:40 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Is using lingo from subreddits or personal lingo supposed to be bannable? Generally no, but if it's hateful language yes. I must have missed where Doodsmack engaged in hateful language. Though it is possible I missed it as I don't read the thread as much as I used to. I was refering to "Trump Derangement Syndrome". But hey, good to know that hateful language is now a standard to adhere against in the US pol thread. It's taken 5 years, but I'll take it.
On October 26 2020 21:51 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2020 21:40 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Is spreading misinformation repeatedly bannable? Absolutely. It is now? So the preceding 5 years where I was repeatedly told that TL.net will not try to regulate what is true or false has now been reversed? Good. Now you can be brave and ban iplaynettles and GreenHorizons as well. Finally. For real this time. I'll be in a state of anticipation.
On October 26 2020 21:51 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2020 21:40 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Is having pages of mod notes bannable? Not by itself, but 3+ pages of mod notes can turn a warning into a perm pretty quick. Sure, but it shouldn't be a the trigger itself. What I want to know is what exactly was the recent posts in the USPMT have more than convinced *Seeker/other mods?* that it is finally time for *us* to part ways.
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Hyrule19193 Posts
I didn't say that any of those were the reason Doodsmack was banned, you'd have to ask Seeker to clarify. I was answering your questions, though you seem to have missed the part where I said I would ban most of the regular posters and close the thread but keep getting overruled. And you also somehow interpreted me calling your argument method stupid as a threat.
And the reason I don't moderate US Pol anymore is because nobody will let me ban all of you. That thread is the source of more reports and drama and mod actions than most of the rest of the site combined. It's a cesspool I'd rather see gone.
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On October 26 2020 21:51 tofucake wrote:
"I shall insult the guy who just said he's fine with banning whoever he wants" is a stupid way to make a point. There's no way to intepret this other than as a threat to ban. Maybe you thought it humorous. Hey it might work if you aren't the very mod with ban powers but you are. Such is the direct power dynamic. You have the power to silence my posting and as such any post you make is in that context, whether you meant it or not.
Remember when Drone (I think it was Drone, I could be wrong) gave an "opinion" on the appropriateness on commenting on the politics of a recently deceased politician? Everybody interpretated it as a "mod command" and stopped commenting on such and came here to comment on that instead. Even after it was clarified as not a mod command, people stopped. It was de facto as a mod command.
Anyways, without Seeker giving his thoughts, it's a bit talking around an empty box.
Just to clarify, I am not arguing against Doodsmack being banned, I just want clarity and consistency.
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On October 26 2020 22:16 tofucake wrote:
I didn't say that any of those were the reason Doodsmack was banned, you'd have to ask Seeker to clarify. I was answering your questions, though you seem to have missed the part where I said I would ban most of the regular posters and close the thread but keep getting overruled. And you also somehow interpreted me calling your argument method stupid as a threat.
And the reason I don't moderate US Pol anymore is because nobody will let me ban all of you. That thread is the source of more reports and drama and mod actions than most of the rest of the site combined. It's a cesspool I'd rather see gone.
Thank you for not banning me. 
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Anyway, I have suggested several times that we ban most of the US Pol regulars and close the thread. Luckily for you guys I am overruled every time.
I want an admin poll with just two options to see the margin on this.
And if you had the same opinion in 2012-2013, then you’re wild.
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Lalalaland34501 Posts
Rest assured it's a discussion that crops up frequently.
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That sounds like something that would do the opposite of resting out assurances. Is it really that likely that anyone who posts in the thread regularly might just be banned one day for the thread?
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I think tofu is being comically extreme about closing the thread and banning all the participants, when the real point is it's a cesspool with low conversational value compared to 2012 or 2008.
I was just curious about the bulk numbers when it crops up "several times" to close the thread i.e. how narrow is tofu/others overruled?
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Hyrule19193 Posts
I'm not. Every single regular poster in US Pol has been actioned for being a dick and/or ignoring the thread rules, and there are plenty of people who post almost exclusively in US Pol. People can either post like a regular sane person, stop posting in US Pol, or get lost. I seriously don't understand how someone can report and then ignore obvious bait everywhere else on TL but immediately fall into the trap in US Pol and lose their shit and end up getting banned.
I hate that thread and it needs to die forever.
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I guess I just had it easy keeping my politics blog in order.
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Lalalaland34501 Posts
On October 28 2020 04:07 Sermokala wrote:
That sounds like something that would do the opposite of resting out assurances. Is it really that likely that anyone who posts in the thread regularly might just be banned one day for the thread?
Let me clarify - we discuss whether we should host politics discussions on TL, not whether we should ban everyone in it.
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Hyrule19193 Posts
Let me clarify - everyone ignores me when I say we should ban everyone in it.
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who posts exclusively in the politics thread? wtf?
funny site to only talk about politics tbh
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I'd guess people who used to be into starcraft but have moved on from that part of it but still keep up with people in the politics thread for reasons that vary. I almost exclusively post in the abl thread these days although I still follow starcraft.
regarding the US thread I used to post in it and it really seemed more and more like it turned into the same people arguing amongst themselves which I became less interested in participating in. which is kind of like the LOL off topic/lounge thread I was into for a while before it moved to discord which I don't really use ever. I'm not sure what locking the thread would accomplish if you leave the other political threads open cause some of the conversation might just migrate over there.
anyway I no longer participate in it so I guess my personal feelings are kinda irrelevant lol.
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On October 28 2020 13:39 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
I'd guess people who used to be into starcraft but have moved on from that part of it but still keep up with people in the politics thread for reasons that vary. I almost exclusively post in the abl thread these days although I still follow starcraft.
regarding the US thread I used to post in it and it really seemed more and more like it turned into the same people arguing amongst themselves which I became less interested in participating in. which is kind of like the LOL off topic/lounge thread I was into for a while before it moved to discord which I don't really use ever. I'm not sure what locking the thread would accomplish if you leave the other political threads open cause some of the conversation might just migrate over there.
anyway I no longer participate in it so I guess my personal feelings are kinda irrelevant lol.
i think same arguments get recycled ad nauseum because the theres news almost everyday which would be considered ridiculous pre trump and so people feel like discussing it. so due to differences in beliefs between regular users, this daily news discussion has a high chance of devolving into poking at people's political philosophies that haven't changed much in the past 4 years.
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On October 28 2020 13:39 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
I'd guess people who used to be into starcraft but have moved on from that part of it but still keep up with people in the politics thread for reasons that vary. I almost exclusively post in the abl thread these days although I still follow starcraft.
regarding the US thread I used to post in it and it really seemed more and more like it turned into the same people arguing amongst themselves which I became less interested in participating in. which is kind of like the LOL off topic/lounge thread I was into for a while before it moved to discord which I don't really use ever. I'm not sure what locking the thread would accomplish if you leave the other political threads open cause some of the conversation might just migrate over there.
anyway I no longer participate in it so I guess my personal feelings are kinda irrelevant lol.
Yeah, i think i fall into that category. I used to be into Starcraft, then LoL, was pretty active in those communities on this site. Now i mostly play noncompetitive Indie games and talk about politics and other unrelated stuff that interests me here.
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