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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
November 02 2020 17:17 GMT
#6201
Honestly, all that sounds a lot like Jimmy just has long-standing beef with GH since the entire line of argument is basically "he's wrong, so ban." But I think we knew that already.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21663 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-02 17:21:33
November 02 2020 17:20 GMT
#6202
On November 03 2020 02:15 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2020 14:53 KwarK wrote:
On November 02 2020 14:46 Nebuchad wrote:
It's a bit of bad timing for Danglars to get banned, if Trump loses it would have been fun to watch him explain why Trump is right not to leave power.

Presumably the first reason would be “it’s not January for another two months”.


Fair enough, he'll have to say whether he accepts the results or not pretty soon tho, correct?

For the rest, keep me out of this bs please.
No, he doesn't. The electoral college doesn't vote until Dec 14th? and the votes are not officially tallied until Jan 6th before Congress.

So until jan 6th there is technically no result to accept. Normally ofcourse no one waits that long because the results are obvious pretty shortly after the election itself but hey, this is Trump.

Edit, hm didn't realise this was the feedback thread. sorry.
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12165 Posts
November 02 2020 17:23 GMT
#6203
On November 03 2020 02:20 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2020 02:15 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 02 2020 14:53 KwarK wrote:
On November 02 2020 14:46 Nebuchad wrote:
It's a bit of bad timing for Danglars to get banned, if Trump loses it would have been fun to watch him explain why Trump is right not to leave power.

Presumably the first reason would be “it’s not January for another two months”.


Fair enough, he'll have to say whether he accepts the results or not pretty soon tho, correct?

For the rest, keep me out of this bs please.
No, he doesn't. The electoral college doesn't vote until Dec 14th? and the votes are not officially tallied until Jan 6th before Congress.

So until jan 6th there is technically no result to accept. Normally ofcourse no one waits that long because the results are obvious pretty shortly after the election itself but hey, this is Trump.

Edit, hm didn't realise this was the feedback thread. sorry.


Thanks for the information.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-02 17:37:39
November 02 2020 17:34 GMT
#6204
--- Nuked ---
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10151 Posts
November 02 2020 21:40 GMT
#6205
Personally, I'm not the most familiar with Danglars, I only just recently joined the USPMT. I think he does say some really patently wrong things like that courts don't make policy (anyone who reads any court case will know they do all the time), and the idea that voter fraud is a legitimate issue (citations show it's a tiny issue that at worst impacted 43 votes in Michigan if you take the average from sources).

Other than that, I think the rest of the argument we had about "good or bad sides" was opinion based. Sure, I think his opinion in that discussion of voter rights was really bad and the argument is clearly shifted in favor of the side of the Democrats, but even if I think he's being incredibly ignorant of the idea and equivocating two unequivocal arguments, it wasn't worthy of a ban.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 02 2020 23:29 GMT
#6206
If your impression of Danglars is that he thinks courts don't make policy instead of courts shouldn't make policy then you should probably reread what you're arguing.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10151 Posts
November 02 2020 23:48 GMT
#6207
On November 03 2020 08:29 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
If your impression of Danglars is that he thinks courts don't make policy instead of courts shouldn't make policy then you should probably reread what you're arguing.



Thankfully, the courts aren't filled with these kind of huckster arguments, and legitimately weigh interests like running an "orderly, efficient election and in giving citizens (including the losing candidates and their supporters) confidence in the fairness of the election" and " federal judges do not possess special expertise or competence about how best to balance the costs and benefits of potential policy responses to the pandemic, including with respect to elections."

idk man, seems like he's saying courts arent filled with judges that make policy. Pretty clear to me what he and I are arguing.
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9190 Posts
November 03 2020 00:41 GMT
#6208
Having Danglars banned on the election night is very mean. He should be allowed to go on temporary parole.
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Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
November 03 2020 01:13 GMT
#6209
On November 03 2020 09:41 Sent. wrote:
Having Danglars banned on the election night is very mean. He should be allowed to go on temporary parole.


Agreed tbh.

We're missing a part of the discussion, valuable or not on probably the most important politics day(s) of the year. Give him a delayed sentence or something to be served starting next tuesday or whenever.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9623 Posts
November 03 2020 01:23 GMT
#6210
On November 03 2020 09:41 Sent. wrote:
Having Danglars banned on the election night is very mean. He should be allowed to go on temporary parole.

Sorry to just +1 but I also agree with this.
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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19045 Posts
November 03 2020 02:31 GMT
#6211
No
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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
November 03 2020 09:24 GMT
#6212
Would it make sense to prevent people registered today from posting in the election thread?
Against the obvious trolls and alts.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10151 Posts
November 03 2020 19:00 GMT
#6213
On November 03 2020 18:24 Artisreal wrote:
Would it make sense to prevent people registered today from posting in the election thread?
Against the obvious trolls and alts.

I'd also be in favor of that. 6399 was the latest example, though im sure there exists some people who lurk and never make an account/post and just not want to contribute.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21663 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-01 23:58:28
May 01 2021 23:57 GMT
#6214
I really do wonder, we had pages of actual discussion without any real issue and then 3 random post and the thread gets locked?

May I ask why?
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24674 Posts
May 02 2021 00:06 GMT
#6215
The effect of consecutive shitposts in that thread is exponential.
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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
May 02 2021 01:00 GMT
#6216
I think the thread's main problem is that it can get too heavy and serious sometimes, so casually locking it when a couple of folks are lightening the mood is a weird flex.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
May 18 2021 17:52 GMT
#6217
Is it about time to move the Israel talk into a separate thread? Pages and pages of this discussion on a topic whose relation to US Pol seems tangential at best.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3188 Posts
May 18 2021 18:01 GMT
#6218
Boy, a dedicated Israel/Palestine Conflict thread sounds like the best recipe for a hellthread I can imagine. Not up to me, obviously, but I’d leave it in USPMT.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42609 Posts
May 18 2021 18:05 GMT
#6219
I think it’d serve a purpose as a containment topic, just as the mass shooting one does. Anyone not interested in Israel/Palestine could unsubscribe from that topic and never see discussion of it again while still being able to enjoy the high level of discussion the US Politics Megathread is known for. Anyone interested in it could subscribe to the new topic.

I’m involved so I won’t make a unilateral mod decision but I second LegalLord’s suggestion. This is as good an example as any of a use case for a containment topic so that the main topic can get back on track.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28659 Posts
May 18 2021 18:08 GMT
#6220
While I myself have this as the one issue I normally avoid discussing because it's the one issue where I'm not really able to keep my cool, I think it'd be nice, too.

But good luck making the OP to such a thread. I'd be seriously impressed with someone capable of making an informative OP that does not trigger 'either side'.
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