EPTUS Politics Feedback Thread - Page 130
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Dangermousecatdog
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Plansix
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GreenHorizons
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On April 27 2018 07:27 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Are you really claiming that plansix who got "perma" banned in the old US pol thread got away with a lot of terrible posts? He did and still does imo but the comment wasn't just about him and his posts. iirc I suggested 2 weeks was about right and there was a specific post cited, though I think what made 2 weeks about right was a long history of (unactioned) bad posts rather than the specific post cited. I don't really want to make this about P6 though, if he wants that we could explore it further, but otherwise I'd much rather discuss potential solutions, get my moderation questions answered, or pretty much anything else. On April 27 2018 07:33 Plansix wrote: I got three pages of mod notes in 2017 alone. This argument holds little water. Yet here you are, almost wholly unchanged. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
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Plansix
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Aquanim
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Speaking from limited personal experience every mod action I've been handed in that thread was pretty thoroughly deserved. I think based on previous posting history Sermokala is very unlikely to be seriously modactioned (regardless of political leaning) and I am sorry that they feel differently. | ||
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Doodsmack
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Plansix
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Aquanim
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On April 27 2018 09:59 Doodsmack wrote: It turns out that the thread changes have pretty much been for the worse. The elimination of news posts has pretty clearly chilled discussion. I don't think there was anything wrong with the thread being a place where news gets gathered together. I'm not convinced that "chilled discussion" isn't desirable. Also, the cure to "shitposts masquerading as news posts" being pretty bad doesn't necessarily make it worse than the disease. | ||
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ticklishmusic
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IgnE
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On April 27 2018 10:05 Aquanim wrote: I'm not convinced that "chilled discussion" isn't desirable. Also, the cure to "shitposts masquerading as news posts" being pretty bad doesn't necessarily make it worse than the disease. it's definitely not desirable | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
That statement's nice and all, but at best it's a subjective opinion. | ||
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IgnE
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Aquanim
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On April 27 2018 11:54 IgnE wrote: so is yours though? I pitched mine as a subjective opinion, open to arguments to the contrary. You pitched yours as "definite" despite being no less subjective. | ||
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IgnE
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Aquanim
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IgnE
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I'm convinced that "chilled discussion" isn't desirable. Also, the cure to "shitposts masquerading as news posts" being pretty bad makes it worse than the disease. Did I convince you? | ||
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Aquanim
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mozoku
United States708 Posts
On April 26 2018 16:13 LegalLord wrote: The response to putting effort into a not popular opinion is to have a swarm of dismissive me-too posters look for asinine criticism to try to dismiss it. Only thing that’s changed is that now highly questionable bans are thrown into the mix. I don’t know why you’d expect them not to walk away when the experience is wholly negative. It’s more a matter of finding the right catalyst than anything else. I don't have much to add but wanted to highlight this because I've felt exactly as described here many a time. It's extremely common that I look back on a few hours I've spent posting and completely regret it for this reason. This is also a major contributor to why I was strongly put off by the GH ban because he was one of the few posters (Igne deserves a shot out here as well) from whom I could reliably expect an honest attempt to understand and engage the actual substance of my post. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
That was the point at which I realised an awfully large chunk of posters in the U.S politics thread have such a narrow view of the world, and are completely incapable of changing it, or even entertaining alternative views. If you want to know why people that aren't almost stamp cut don't post in that thread anymore, it's because some combination of the following will happen: a) The post will be banned b) It will be needlessly picked apart to find the smallest flaw in reason, almost always tangentially related to what is being discussed, and almost always in a manner that's not arguing the argument so to speak c) Not a single person opposing the idea will actually critically think about what is posted, or rather, they will think about reasons as to why it's wrong from whatever point of view they happen to hold, and stop there. d) "So you're saying that..." For a perfect example, check out the exchange between Igne and Aquanim above. Stealthblue no longer posting an inane barrage of hyperbolic twitter comments from generally left leaning op-ed posters for respected publications such as vox, has done absolutely nothing negative to the quality of thread, nor impacted to a great degree the interaction that was happening there. What it is though is another example of sticking to the rules over a moderation decision so without nuance that being able to post an article which is interesting and worth a read, can no longer be done as the post itself, nor even with a "check out this article". It's worth noting that while I occasionally find what Greenhorizons posts to be utterly repulsive, I would rather open a thread full of people posting actual real discussion points that can offend my delicate sensitivities, then open it and scroll back 5 pages of people saying the same thing in slightly different words while quoting a talking point which also says the same thing. | ||
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