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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-07 17:50:46
January 07 2015 17:49 GMT
#1
Hello, today I posted a link to a graphic video of a police officer in Paris being executed by two gunmen. It was removed, and I accept that decision.

Later, I posted a link to a Dailymail article, which included the same video except it was censored and edited to remove the graphic content. I did so in order to provide evidence towards a possible Russian-speaking link to the gunmen. The video was again removed and I was warned for posting misinformation.

I challenged the moderator, Aeromi who provided the following justification that he received from a higher up:
Due to [...] being unusually pissy lately, we need to take more care about removing NSFW and other questionable content from TL. By remove, this means the thread has to be galleried or the post edited / deleted - closing a thread means nothing to [...].

Things we need to police:
Excessive vulgarity: swearing, profanity, slurs, etc

Links to shady things: file sharing / warez sites that are often used for pirating (think mega.co.nz, rapidshare, etc)

Sexual themed / suggestive content / videos (eg one of the infractions was for the collegehumor.com 'pedobear trailer' video). Probably even mentioning pedophilia, bestiality, etc is a no-go even if it's just discussion. Anime discussion and KPop threads probably need attention.

Violence, murder, rape, pedophilia, etc. War threads in General for example.

Basically if you wouldn't feel comfortable showing it to your family over dinner, it probably needs to go.


I assume that the video was removed as it was in violation of the 'Violence' clause in the last line. However, I find it hard to believe that a video that is being shown on the website of a major newspaper is too violent for TL. The BBC has the same video up on its website (which I will provide the link to if given permission) and has been airing this on live daytime television. Again, I find it hard to believe that TL's standards on what's acceptable are higher than that of British national television. The litmus test given is that if I wouldn't feel comfortable showing it to my family over dinner, it's inappropriate. The BBC is airing this to thousands of families.

Now, I know that TL isn't the BBC, but I think common sense should prevail here. I would appreciate the input from a Banling or any of the administrative staff.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
January 07 2015 19:12 GMT
#2
If you're talking about the main thread In the op it says specificlly to not post videos.

direct quote from ZseromuS in the thread

On January 08 2015 01:54 ZeromuS wrote:
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On January 08 2015 01:48 frontliner2 wrote:
This is a really sick thought I'm having but I'm already glad there were no beheadings... Imagine them doing that to their victims. Fucking ISIS.

Won't you die already please.


There is no information to my knowledge linking these people to any terrorist group in particular. Please refrain from making claims such as this without information.

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On January 08 2015 01:45 ahswtini wrote:
It is a censored version on the website of a major newspaper, are you serious?


Thread specific - in the OP it says not to post videos of the officer being shot. Please respect that, and the person who became a victim. We don't need to see it happening on video while it is still so fresh. It might be courageous etc etc that the cop did his job, but honestly, out of respect to him, his family, potential friends, and the french users of TL i dont think we need that video on TL.net at the moment.

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R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10340 Posts
January 07 2015 19:56 GMT
#3
Whether it's allowed on other sites or not doesn't change the fact it's not wanted on TL. We're not a world news site and we don't want clickbait shock videos depicting violence and gore like the mainstream media.
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5609 Posts
January 08 2015 00:15 GMT
#4
I doubt "[...] being unusually pissy lately" or what one guy would talk about to his family over dinner is really the litmus test this community wants. My family's full of adults. And TL is nobody's dinner table. I mean when he says the KPop thread needs attention, why? How can someone read that and take it seriously?

The too arbitrary to be useful and in this case did it even work? if the BBC did put the same censored video on TV but it can't be linked to on TL then what was the point?

I can't figure out a way to make this point clearer by elaborating. It's TL.net not Disneyland.

On January 08 2015 03:21 ZeromuS wrote:
It doesn't matter.

This has nothing to do with the topic of the thread. Stop derailing. Consider this a group warning ^^

Also I thought this post was weird because I didn't think the topic was that clearly defined (the OP just says "What the hell" and it's a developing news story) that it could be derailed. Which when I put it this way makes me even more suspect about a mod needing to intervene in a guy linking to a news site (insert your own Daily Mail joke here ) in the thread. Personally I think the bit about speaking Russian would be like a 3 post tangent that someone could come in and disprove but I wouldn't hold being wrong about that against him linking to TDM.

I think R1CH characterizing it as clickbait or like violence porn seems disingenuous since it was a video on a news site. Yes it's a big news story and everybody is getting lots of hits if they talk about it, video or not. The fact that they benefit from you clicking doesn't detract from it being a primary source video... to me it's a resource to have video available so fast after a major news event. Would we have told people not to post video of the planes going into the twin towers?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10340 Posts
January 08 2015 00:54 GMT
#5
Imagine you're an advertiser for family friendly brands, say Disney. Someone comes across TL and sees kids movies by Disney advertised next to violence and murder videos. Disney of course wants to keep their brand family safe and would object to such positioning of content and ads, so in order to avoid this we simply have to disallow the content. We can't control what ads we get but we can control what content we allow.
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