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Sup TL~
I hop around most of the SC2 section of TL.net, I read far more than I post, and I noticed a very sad trend : a shitload of people just read the OP, reply the first thing that comes to their mind and move on to another topic. That's fine if someone is just posting something funny and you wanna add your "omglol" reply, but in serious discussion threads it's getting out of control.
The OP makes a pretty good topic, someone says something semi-retarded against it, then someone correct him by adding something relevant to the subject, and a few post later another person comes up with the very same semi-retarded argument that was just discussed a few posts above, but since he doesn't read it, he just pollutes the topic. This is just a generic example I don't feel like linking every references.
I don't think there's any way to fix this, I can't force people to read every posts and I know the majority of people just wants to say what they want without reading/listening to others, that's not fine but whatever can I do? Yeah, nothing.
I'm not pointing at everyone in general, you know if you're not one of those. I'm just putting it out there to see what the community thinks about that, and at the same time making a topic where you can really just say what you want and not read any comments 
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Not many of the comments are actually relevant to the so called topic some times you know and people just browse through the wall of words to find things that actually relates to them and ignore the one's that they don't find having the same views with them. That's my take about your post though this should be made at the blog section instead of the sc2 section . gl hf .
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I propose we call this phenomenon "Fazing"!
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what can u do ? its kinda hard to read ~50 page of posts in some threads before you can post your opinion - i thought about that too - but i have no idea how to handle this aswell :|
#edit - I propose we call this phenomenon "Fazing"! rofl  or better "omglol"
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I think enough people in the world can and don't worry about reading too much. Hell, you even learn that in school.
J/K. I agree, there's a lot of topics, where the OP puts some effort into the post, and people just say "tl;dr, but I think that *random stuff that is something else than OP*"
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I seldom participate in posts with a PPM (posts per minute) over 0.5 and already more than 40 pages. Unless its a GSL livethread.
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Can someone give me cliffs i didnt feel like reading it.
User was warned for this post
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tl;dr lolz
The reality of the situation is that this site is so large you can have a thread with 200+ pages and with a the mean post count per member of 1. To participate in this size of a forum you got to just pay attention to the 1 or 2 pages before your post or not say anything at all, hell before I'm done even writing this post about 2-3 people are going to say something. Ultimately it's just the nature of the beast.
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On January 12 2011 01:05 kuresuti wrote:
I propose we call this phenomenon "Fazing"!
Hahah that just made me giggle.
On January 12 2011 01:06 Special Endrey wrote:what can u do ? its kinda hard to read ~50 page of posts in some threads before you can post your opinion - i thought about that too - but i have no idea how to handle this aswell :| #edit - rofl or better "omglol"
Yeah I was thinking that too but I think if people started reading they would realize some people already said what the were about to say, it would technically reduce the numbers of post but now that I think about it people would just quote that post and add "exactly what I was about to say". Is there like something really satisfying about getting more and more posts?
On January 12 2011 01:05 Sawamura wrote:
Not many of the comments are actually relevant to the so called topic some times you know and people just browse through the wall of words to find things that actually relates to them and ignore the one's that they don't find having the same views with them. That's my take about your post though this should be made at the blog section instead of the sc2 section . gl hf .
I personally don't read the blog section, and I figured I'm not the only one, if I want SC2 people who check pretty much only the SC2 section to have a look at this then maybe I'd need to put it in their face. I dunno, maybe not the right way to go about it either.
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I actually feel the same way but I thought for myself the best response might be to sit the problem out and trust in the competence of the moderators to take reasonable measures to bring the quality of the forums back to where it once was. I only feel bad about that it must take so much administration time to take care of all that sad stuff.
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TL;DR really gets on my nerves sometimes. I can understand it if someone is just rambling, but when you're making a coherent argument and your replies are "TL;DR" It's really offensive. Too many 4chan kiddies abound.
This forum isn't anywhere near as bad as the battle.net forums thankfully. I tend to notice that most users who make these offtopic posts or rants tend to get banned within a few days because they keep making such low quality posts. Good job mods.
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Calgary25980 Posts
Yes, but TL members seem to have lost the ability to be concise, so it's a two-way street. I'm not going to read seventeen 8.5 x 11 pages (on one TL page) to get to write my comment if the content could have fit in one.
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On January 12 2011 01:14 Chill wrote:
Yes, but TL members seem to have lost the ability to be concise, so it's a two-way street. I'm not going to read seventeen 8.5 x 11 pages (on one TL page) to get to write my comment if the content could have fit in one.
I wouldn't say they've lost their ability, there is just an influx of new users who lack the ability to begin with.
I guess you could say that the quality posters are being drowned out by noise. Unfortunately it's hard to keep the Signal-Noise ratio low on any popular forum.
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I think we should call this phenomenon "Fazing", anyone agree?
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Well a general solution would be to split up the text and make the material more digestable for people that generaly don't like to read.
For an instance we could have a profetional post writing post or something silly like that.
Like this op (take it as constructive critisism please) you got 2 big blocks of text, i find it hard sometimes to read big texts on a screen, so what you could do is to split the text in 3 or 4 segments.
Or we could take the easy way out and ignore people that posts ridicolus answers thats really oftopic.
Either way i don't care much for people that signs on a forum but refuse to read.
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I have noticed this as well a lot. The most blatant example was the Morrow&Sjow "cheating scandal". There we soooo many people asking same questions or putting same comments while reading only the whole 1st page could have avoided 95% of those posts.
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On January 12 2011 01:14 Chill wrote:
Yes, but TL members seem to have lost the ability to be concise, so it's a two-way street. I'm not going to read seventeen 8.5 x 11 pages (on one TL page) to get to write my comment if the content could have fit in one.
Sure but if your comment isn't long enough you get warned for spamming or not having anything valuable to say. Sometimes it takes 2 pages of text to really articulate something.
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Up until about a month ago I almost never posted. Ive just started getting into commentating a lot so its got me more personally involved in strategy threads.
I think the best way to be a part of the community is to post a lot but the best way to get a lot out of the community is to only read. There isn't much point to just reading the OP and then posting your answer especially when there are already multiple pages of responses.
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I totally agree with the OP, I read a lot more threads than I post in, and it really bugs me out when I see the same comment 3-4 times, even after the OP answered it twice...
OPs even often have to update their OP to specify something, just because he's tired of reading the same clueless, blind comments over and over...
I dont think we can do anything against it, but if you read the OP and felt guilty, then please adjust accordingly!
But then again, if you're one of them, you wont read this reply... OMG WE'RE DOOMED!
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I'm going to agree with a poster somewhere up there that talked about the beast. Some threads go way too fast and are way too long to be able to read every single post and take every single post into consideration before making your post. OP could be talking about cheese and then an argument spurs it into a debate on apples after talking about frogs. Now I'm going to post about the current subject of apples instead of focusing on reading about the frogs because it would take time that I most likely don't have and frogs are not relevant to the apple subject at hand so I'd be wasting my time anyways.
I can read A > B, but not A > B > ..... Y and then post Z after reading C-Y which probably consists of hundreds if not thousands of posts. D:
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I've seen some posts where the original poster would keep the OP updated, quoting relevant posts (from others or himself) and state so.
At some point you can't really expect people to read like 10+ pages before replying in a topic.
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maybe an agree/disagree (thumb up/down) option would make it easier to contribute without everyone feeling like they need to comment and increase the thread size
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On January 12 2011 01:14 Chill wrote:
Yes, but TL members seem to have lost the ability to be concise, so it's a two-way street. I'm not going to read seventeen 8.5 x 11 pages (on one TL page) to get to write my comment if the content could have fit in one.
I think this more or less goes towards the "do we need a section where only certain people are allowed to write" - so that everybody "knew" that reading these posts would be worth his time.
Personally, I don't mind reading senventeen 8.5 x 11 pages, if every last post is well written. Sadly, that's mostly not the case.
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People dont read all of the posts with good reason, chances are none of them know what they are talking about and unless the thread took a off topic turn there is really no reason to.
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On January 12 2011 01:19 zDUST wrote:
maybe an agree/disagree (thumb up/down) option would make it easier to contribute without everyone feeling like they need to comment and increase the thread size
and turn this site into a youtube where everything bieber related I think not!
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Calgary25980 Posts
On January 12 2011 01:17 Fraidnot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 01:14 Chill wrote:
Yes, but TL members seem to have lost the ability to be concise, so it's a two-way street. I'm not going to read seventeen 8.5 x 11 pages (on one TL page) to get to write my comment if the content could have fit in one. Sure but if your comment isn't long enough you get warned for spamming or not having anything valuable to say. Sometimes it takes 2 pages of text to really articulate something.
I have no problem with that at all - It's great to read two pages of rich content. But some of these massive replies say the same thing 16 ways, or worse, don't actually say anything at all.
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Well u gotta take into account that MANY well written Threads are great in the first post, but they often drift away to stupid discussions, that dont touch the original topic. Personally I feel like giving feedback to the OP is much more worth, than getting into those micro discussions.
Well, If I may make an advice. I wanna know if someone replies to my comments, but u cant because some threads just feel ridiulously fast. Maybe an "Email if beeing quoted"-Option would help... but who am I to give advice =/
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this has been known for quite some time, it is also fustrating when a good player has something to say and johnny bronze comes along and convinces others that he is wrong. >_< I hope the community sorts itself out but until then I guess I shall find more useful information on state of the game or 12 weeks with the pro's
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On January 12 2011 01:14 Chill wrote:
Yes, but TL members seem to have lost the ability to be concise, so it's a two-way street. I'm not going to read seventeen 8.5 x 11 pages (on one TL page) to get to write my comment if the content could have fit in one.
Is this an official change in policy in what's allowed? If I didn't have to read a dozen or so pages of junk before replying to a thread, in say, General, I'd probably start posting there more again.
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Didn't read the OP but I disagree completely.
Joking aside. Besides the strategy section it seems ok overall.
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On January 12 2011 01:17 Shifft wrote:
I think we should call this phenomenon "Fazing", anyone agree?
LOL, not sure if you're being 'meta' here...
There's a phrase -- 'opinions are like assholes -- everyone has one and they all stink.' Many people seem to think that forums like these just exist to provide them with opportunities to express their opinions, so you get these megathreads with 1000 people shitting the same opinions out over and over again.
If you agree that that's the role of a forum like this, then there's nothing wrong with it, but if you think that the purpose of a forum like this is to provide discussion, then that behavior ruins a lot of posts. I've learned not to reply unless I think I have something new to add, which means that I don't post much.
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On January 12 2011 01:21 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 01:17 Fraidnot wrote:On January 12 2011 01:14 Chill wrote:
Yes, but TL members seem to have lost the ability to be concise, so it's a two-way street. I'm not going to read seventeen 8.5 x 11 pages (on one TL page) to get to write my comment if the content could have fit in one. Sure but if your comment isn't long enough you get warned for spamming or not having anything valuable to say. Sometimes it takes 2 pages of text to really articulate something. I have no problem with that at all - It's great to read two pages of rich content. But some of these massive replies say the same thing 16 ways, or worse, don't actually say anything at all.
Yeah, once the discussion is well worded and argued, it's a joy to read long threads. But mostly nowadays it gets burrowed by heaps of void posts.
I know this might sound cocky or arrogant and I don't want to come along that way so don't take me wrong. But as moderators, maybe you could tighten strings even harder for a while and prohibit void content posts even further then it is already done to bring the train back on the rail?
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On January 12 2011 01:24 HTX wrote:
Didn't read the OP but I disagree completely.
Joking aside. Besides the strategy section it seems ok overall.
Sadly, the strategy section should be, where quality discussions take place 
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On January 12 2011 01:06 Special Endrey wrote:what can u do ? its kinda hard to read ~50 page of posts in some threads before you can post your opinion - i thought about that too - but i have no idea how to handle this aswell :| #edit - rofl or better "omglol"
I usually read until I find something that I can agree/ argue about and then go from there. Otherwise it would take days to read 90 pages of crap to find something worth discussing.
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The problem is simply that there are too many uninformed or stupid people on this site. As Chill has said, most people just brabble for a few hundred words and sometimes don't even make a point.
This leads to even very good posts by smart people not getting read because they were posted so late.
There's just so many users participating in these forums that reading a thread poses a pretty big time investment (in the time of the internet) and if you combine that with the amount of shit and stupidity floating around these forums you have yourself the problem you described in the OP.
On January 12 2011 01:24 HTX wrote:
Didn't read the OP but I disagree completely.
Joking aside. Besides the strategy section it seems ok overall.
I don't think you asided the joking when you continued with that post.
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On January 12 2011 01:14 Chill wrote:
Yes, but TL members seem to have lost the ability to be concise, so it's a two-way street. I'm not going to read seventeen 8.5 x 11 pages (on one TL page) to get to write my comment if the content could have fit in one.
I totally agree with you, but then again, some thread would fill a LOT slower if most people would read the replies before posting something, and it would avoid filling 89 pages with only 3-4 arguments repeated indefinitely.
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On January 12 2011 01:25 sleepingdog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 01:24 HTX wrote:
Didn't read the OP but I disagree completely.
Joking aside. Besides the strategy section it seems ok overall. Sadly, the strategy section should be, where quality discussions take place
Yes, it makes me so sad. I haven't looked into the strategy forum since two weeks after beta start because all the good posters were flushed out by the current standard
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On January 12 2011 01:05 Sawamura wrote:
Not many of the comments are actually relevant to the so called topic some times you know and people just browse through the wall of words to find things that actually relates to them and ignore the one's that they don't find having the same views with them. That's my take about your post though this should be made at the blog section instead of the sc2 section . gl hf .
I have that happen to my topics and unfortunately it has even come to the point that some people don't read the OP at all and just want to be the first to reply.
On January 12 2011 01:05 kuresuti wrote:
I propose we call this phenomenon "Fazing"!
Don't we have the Void ray thingie (even though it has been removed)?
On January 12 2011 01:06 Special Endrey wrote:what can u do ? its kinda hard to read ~50 page of posts in some threads before you can post your opinion - i thought about that too - but i have no idea how to handle this aswell :| #edit - rofl or better "omglol"
I read about every page and comment if it's newly made unless it's a LR thread.
On January 12 2011 01:20 sleepingdog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 01:14 Chill wrote:
Yes, but TL members seem to have lost the ability to be concise, so it's a two-way street. I'm not going to read seventeen 8.5 x 11 pages (on one TL page) to get to write my comment if the content could have fit in one. I think this more or less goes towards the "do we need a section where only certain people are allowed to write" - so that everybody "knew" that reading these posts would be worth his time. Personally, I don't mind reading senventeen 8.5 x 11 pages, if every last post is well written. Sadly, that's mostly not the case.
I agree so many people reply and do not edit their posts at all or just skip the huge posts that they'll just say TL;DR and then miss the point those people are making.
On January 12 2011 01:24 HTX wrote:
Didn't read the OP but I disagree completely.
Joking aside. Besides the strategy section it seems ok overall.
Haha yea I am eagerly waiting when the strategy section is becoming more.... fresh? Without saying anything harsh about the people posting in them.
On January 12 2011 01:25 sleepingdog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 01:24 HTX wrote:
Didn't read the OP but I disagree completely.
Joking aside. Besides the strategy section it seems ok overall. Sadly, the strategy section should be, where quality discussions take place
Frankly I think it's the general section 
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Lol, I love how almost everyone is trying to seem like they don't do it now. Everybody is editing their posts and adding in content instead of just making a new post. Yes, that is funny to me since you don't see this happen a lot when people post.
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lol... Who cares if the topic is towards the post or not... If its "BM" or trolling there still giving attention to the "topic" making more people reply.. There will always be trolls and people who just respond with jibberish. No one is going to read every post. (Unless its a small thread with few posts) but thats just imo.
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On January 12 2011 01:31 cFAssassin wrote:
lol... Who cares if the topic is towards the post or not... If its "BM" or trolling there still giving attention to the "topic" making more people reply.. There will always be trolls and people who just respond with jibberish. No one is going to read every post. (Unless its a small thread with few posts) but thats just imo.
No, that is exactly the point. Its the TL silent policy: if its not worth reading it, don't post it. But we end up with so much garbage posted, that you need to read it to not miss the important stuff. And get tired of it. And then the quality of the threads decreases in general.
The quality of a thread is for me measured in the density of interesting information, not in the amount of people answering "+1", which is what makes TL awesome, that it is actually worth reading everything.
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On January 12 2011 01:35 kazansky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 01:31 cFAssassin wrote:
lol... Who cares if the topic is towards the post or not... If its "BM" or trolling there still giving attention to the "topic" making more people reply.. There will always be trolls and people who just respond with jibberish. No one is going to read every post. (Unless its a small thread with few posts) but thats just imo. No, that is exactly the point. Its the TL silent policy: if its not worth reading it, don't post it. But we end up with so much garbage posted, that you need to read it to not miss the important stuff. And get tired of it. And then the quality of the threads decreases in general. The quality of a thread is for me measured in the density of interesting information, not in the amount of people answering "+1", which is what makes TL awesome, that it is actually worth reading everything.
Agreed, I hate seeing nothing but "me too" "+1" posts. I think crap like that should be an auto ban for a week if not 2. Unfortunately, my report button was taken away because I reported anyone who posted like that... Which apparently isn't ban or warning worthy.
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On January 12 2011 01:27 kazansky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2011 01:25 sleepingdog wrote:On January 12 2011 01:24 HTX wrote:
Didn't read the OP but I disagree completely.
Joking aside. Besides the strategy section it seems ok overall. Sadly, the strategy section should be, where quality discussions take place Yes, it makes me so sad. I haven't looked into the strategy forum since two weeks after beta start because all the good posters were flushed out by the current standard
Hey, I continously post in the strategy forum
Jk, there are still some very good threads/posts in the strategy forum, they are just buried and sometimes not easy to find. The kcdc-thread about the one gate FE PvT was/has been/is extraordinary, Plexa's thread on PvZ is also filled with great replies (just to mention those that immediately come to my mind).
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I generally read an entire thread if it is under 3~ pages, otherwise I just read the first few and the last few.
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United States22883 Posts
There's a few different issues being discussed here (and TL does have a several different types of situations where people fail to read properly) but the OP's might be unfixable. I agree with ChickenLips, but even in a well attended discussion, there's a point where people drop out or the discussion fizzles. Then it gets restarted from the very same starting point by someone else later and it runs that same cycle. It's definitely more common in large General and SC2 General threads than anywhere else. I haven't documented it yet, but I've noticed it sometimes tends to be around 8~ pages for this cycle.
As for a solution? I don't know. I don't expect people to read very large threads but I guess a good, "easy" way to approach it is to read the OP, and then read the last two pages to see where the discussion has led.
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I don't post alot, because of what OP's basically states. If I have something to add, then most of the time, someone already has stated it in a better written way then I could've done. But it's just the way it goes with such a huge forum.
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On January 12 2011 02:53 Jibba wrote:
As for a solution? I don't know. I don't expect people to read very large threads but I guess a good, "easy" way to approach it is to read the OP, and then read the last two pages to see where the discussion has led.
That seems like it could at least be a good rule of thumb.
Sometimes discussions get so side tracked that the OP is no longer relevant at all though. I suppose that's another issue entirely though..
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I don't think there's any way to fix this, I can't force people to read every posts and I know the majority of people just wants to say what they want without reading/listening to others, that's not fine but whatever can I do? Yeah, nothing.
I think originally, people mean well when they first join. When I first joined Team Liquid, I read every single post in every thread I posted in.
Then after awhile, you realize that half of the posts made are either A. Unnecessary B. Off on a tangent or C. Unneeded for my own competent reply.
Now imagine those who have made over 300 posts. I think after awhile, those people and perhaps even those with less tolerance and patience just stop reading realizing that they have formed an opinion that would seem contributory.
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On January 12 2011 18:03 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +I don't think there's any way to fix this, I can't force people to read every posts and I know the majority of people just wants to say what they want without reading/listening to others, that's not fine but whatever can I do? Yeah, nothing. I think originally, people mean well when they first join. When I first joined Team Liquid, I read every single post in every thread I posted in. Then after awhile, you realize that half of the posts made are either A. Unnecessary B. Off on a tangent or C. Unneeded for my own competent reply. Now imagine those who have made over 300 posts. I think after awhile, those people and perhaps even those with less tolerance and patience just stop reading realizing that they have formed an opinion that would seem contributory.
Another problem is posting something to just make themselves look smart instead of adding to the conversation. I suppose that could relate to topics A, B, or C.
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Hyrule19035 Posts
Add a Like button and start banning +1 and me too posts.
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Usually I just read the relevant posts and let people bicker for bickerings sake. If I'm making my own topic or an otherwise important post, I usually preface it with something bold on top that will clarify what they [hopefully] later read, as opposed to clarifying first and getting dumb responses.
Lots of people will just respond to the title alone, though.
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On January 14 2011 22:12 tofucake wrote:
Add a Like button and start banning +1 and me too posts.
Agreed, but then again, there's favoritism and bias. Some people will +1 people they like moreso than the content they poorly introduce and vice-versa.
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sorry to disagree with many a poster here or elsewhere,
i think one should have to read the entire thread to post
(just finished the "ask anything to tl staff members"... aaaaaaaaa)
all the issues discussed until now have to do with only one thing:
respect
(and boy is that an outdated concept apparently, just like checking if what you just typed makes sense, before posting)
respect other people, respect the efforts that some do make, respect specific forum etiquette, respect people who work with only respect/self respect as a reward (mods for one)
and finally self respect (re reading one's old posts comes to mind)
a post can be a +1 or -1, although it does not advance the conversation/discussion, it serves as a "polling" data on the subject, just like the thread's post and response count... and tl mods know this i think... (although typing "why" you did +1 or -1, seems a very small effort)
derailing, trolling, repeating stuff (cause poster couldn't be bothered to read!)...bla bla bla
who cares? just jump to the next post.. (it's not like u have to read those through)
reading threads (you're genuinely interested in) throughout is never useless...
tl is a successful forum, so the sheer number of members is an issue... but give it time... 12 year olds will be 13 soon kinda thing...
i do have to mention tho:
can't stand spelling check less' posters (this to the point of some posts being incoherent to say the least ( i'm a ranty kinda guy and do ramble on, but i check before i post that my post isn't un readable))
and even less
posters who just post and never re open the thread again...
that's a symptom of the most awful realization:
most posters post not to contribute, but to exist...
and that's sick bad, but that's the 21st century
just to finish: tl mods are human beings and it's a difficult job, i don't agree with some of the ten commandments (mostly how some of these are enforced), but i still try to honor the work that has gone into their "creations/enforcing"...
just cause that's what being on a forum is:
contribution/communication is the salvation of the 21st century, but it will always be hard and it will always be subjective...
edit: fixin friggin typos
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Zurich15325 Posts
Did you seriously just complain about people not spell checking their posts or writing incoherently? Wow.
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This is a huge fix for small part of a not-yet-incredibly-terrible problem, but a forum I used to frequent, HeavenGames, has a system where the OP is displayed as the top post of all pages. Using that, it'd be easier for people who use the currentpage=last feature (like me!!) to both 1. know where the discussion is currently headed 2. know what it was about in the first place. Implement as an option if nothing else? :33333
http://aoe3.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?action=st&fn=2&tn=38304&f=2,,,10&st=50
http://www.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?action=st&fn=2&tn=339701&f=2,,,10&st=125
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On January 25 2011 22:53 zatic wrote:
Did you seriously just complain about people not spell checking their posts or writing incoherently? Wow.
I thought the exact same thing. 40 Lines and not one capital letter. Hum
On January 25 2011 19:51 baskerville wrote:
sorry to disagree with many a poster here or elsewhere,
i think one should have to read the entire thread to post
(just finished the "ask anything to tl staff members"... aaaaaaaaa)
all the issues discussed until now have to do with only one thing:
respect
(and boy is that an outdated concept apparently, just like checking if what you just typed makes sense, before posting)
respect other people, respect the efforts that some do make, respect specific forum etiquette, respect people who work with only respect/self respect as a reward (mods for one)
and finally self respect (re reading one's old posts comes to mind)
a post can be a +1 or -1, although it does not advance the conversation/discussion, it serves as a "polling" data on the subject, just like the thread's post and response count... and tl mods know this i think... (although typing "why" you did +1 or -1, seems a very small effort)
derailing, trolling, repeating stuff (cause poster couldn't be bothered to read!)...bla bla bla
who cares? just jump to the next post.. (it's not like u have to read those through)
reading threads (you're genuinely interested in) throughout is never useless...
tl is a successful forum, so the sheer number of members is an issue... but give it time... 12 year olds will be 13 soon kinda thing...
i do have to mention tho:
can't stand spelling check less' posters (this to the point of some posts being incoherent to say the least ( i'm a ranty kinda guy and do ramble on, but i check before i post that my post isn't un readable))
and even less
posters who just post and never re open the thread again...
that's a symptom of the most awful realization:
most posters post not to contribute, but to exist...
and that's sick bad, but that's the 21st century
just to finish: tl mods are human beings and it's a difficult job, i don't agree with some of the ten commandments (mostly how some of these are enforced), but i still try to honor the work that has gone into their "creations/enforcing"...
just cause that's what being on a forum is:
contribution/communication is the salvation of the 21st century, but it will always be hard and it will always be subjective...
edit: fixin friggin typos
I honestly don't agree with everything as I don't want to read posts which I need to judge beforehand worth reading or not. If it is posted, it should be better worth reading. Because I as a reader don't profit at all from someone adding nothing to a topic. And he doesn't either, because he doesn't contribute at all. He does only get one additional post, which has as effect that you can't rely on post count as a benchmark of competence that much as before, because 3000 posts don't need to be 3000 contributions in the slightest.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=138038¤tpage=13#244
is this type of post bannable yet? Clearly in a 13 page thread, an opinion like that would've been posted already multiple times, yet this dude ignores everything (including the reason for the bump) and straight up posts the obvious. What does he think he's contributing? I really think lack of contribution to a thread should be bannable at this point ><;;
Great Purge of 2011: Fillerpost Edition imo plz
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sorry i should just quit this site cause apparently whatever i do i get this shit
oh sorry
Sorry, I should just quit this site because apparently whatever I do, I get this shit.
just to persist:
@zatic as i pmed you, i feel your post was one of the typical self serving post one can do
i hate capital letters, what about it?
where is my post incoherent, please enlightement me...
you are being childish... like the op or my post mentioned, you probably didn't read half my post
@ kazansky
"40 Lines and not one capital letter. Hum"(maybe it's gotta be on purpose then)
i said that it's useful to read everything, i didn't say anybody should force themselves to do it
reading a kid's rant is quite as useful as reading an adult's, a new poster's point of view is as valid reading material as a 5905 poster...
loads of posts are awful/useless for sure, but i mostly meant it's useful if one's goal is to learn "what's what" on tl or wherever
User was banned for this post.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
You are not e.e.cummings.
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EPT
