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Sadly after all this time with so many tournament threads it still is not clear to many users on this site. There are several types of posts that are not acceptable in tournament threads. Any form of: Imbalance whine/Player bashing/Caster bashing/Stream complaining Will result in two day to a week long bans even for first offenses. Please stick to the games at hand and enjoy yourselves with a beautiful event such as this and the free service that comes with it. | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:45 Stanlot wrote: *siiigh* a great tournament and a great weekend of starcraft ruined by the fact that the final matches are held during a work day T_T WHYYYY. well its in Europe... we have to watch MLG finals at 3 am in the morning of monday too  | ||
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akaname
United Kingdom599 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:43 Bergys wrote: For the people that are unable to think beyond food counts: 170 supply vs 112 (Unsure of exact food counts but point still stands). Both players have 65ish drones. Idra has 3-4 queens? That leaves MC with an army supply of 48 and idra with and army supply of 94. Roach Cost = 75/25 Roach total minerals = 3525 Roach Total Gas = 1175 Stalker Cost = 125/50 Stalker total Minerals = 3000 Stalker total Gas = 1200 Idra also had a higher supply = extra overlords so that factors in aswell. MC had +2 while idra only had +1. Stalkers are also strong vs roaches since they do +damage to armor. MC also had blink and idra did not have any infestors or similar to counter it. Idra still had a stronger army value, but nowhere near as 170 supply vs 112 makes it sounds. precisely. people don't 'get' that roach is supposed to be a supply-heavy unit for what it is. that's one of its costs.. edit: also, sorry to get dragged into balance whine, some ggs today very good fun. weird so few terrans, and so many at end of GSL super tournament... | ||
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sjperera
Canada349 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:31 SC2Phoenix wrote: 120 food of one unit>190 food Roach/Hydra O.o? Well, the Hydra' only came into the second battle... when it was more 120 - 150... and what? 7 Hydras? it was practically mass +2 Blink Stalker + 1 Immortal vs mass burrow-tunneling claw Roaches with a few hydras... great comeback from MC though, doubt there' another P would could have pulled that out... | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:41 Chicane wrote: I was wondering a lot too - but I guess it also increases the interest. It's a mind trick, leaving you with more than you can handle, so you want moar, moar. Ya I don't understand why they don't have some games start at X:30 and others start at X:00 as they do now. It would be a huge difference, and there would likely always be a game going on.  Compare with GSL or NASL, where you sometimes watch much better games, but all are presented in a row, with plenty of time to watch them all, and then the level of interest is never that high, people fall asleep even etc. | ||
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Steamroller
Finland756 Posts
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Pipeline
Sweden1673 Posts
And it is still not the proper response! Hydras was a bad call. Zerglings and Roaches would have been a lot better (with the potential follow up from Infestor play). | ||
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Kantutan
Canada1319 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:42 eot wrote: I'm not angry that IdrA lost (I was cheering for MC) but does anyone agree that maybe Stalkers should be 3 supply? I just think that if you max out on upgraded Stalkers it's a bit too strong, you get too many of them. Then all the Protoss would die. I've seen plenty of stalker balls get taken care of with baneling carpet bombing. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:45 Casta wrote: Yea I did, suprised more people aren't commentating this instead of just instantly arguing about stalker vs roach imbalancement. I want to see a replay of that. this. people should just watch the replay and see what idra could have done better. | ||
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Caspas
Germany157 Posts
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leungwk01
United Kingdom1260 Posts
Even with top EU/US player its the same story Anyway socke>huk sen>july bomber>mc moon>naniwa And MC owns everyone. even sen.. | ||
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
That said, MC played really really well. | ||
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drox22
129 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:39 ElFuego wrote: Dear blizzard. Give zerg another unit that excels at being microed besides mutas. Protoss can do crazy micro w/ blink and deny micro with FF. Terrans can do crazy things with stim and drop play. Zerg players want to have fun too... Also, marauders and immortals own stalkers. Zerg only has units that are ok against stalkers. Give zerg a unit that's good against stalkers even if you make it higher tier. This post is jokes, have you ever heard about the infestor? And you mention terran drop play but completely ignore overlord drops? What kind of hypocrite are you? Learn to build infestors they are probably the best unit in the game. | ||
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oogieogie
United States3657 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:43 Bergys wrote: For the people that are unable to think beyond food counts: 170 supply vs 112 (Unsure of exact food counts but point still stands). Both players have 65ish drones. Idra has 3-4 queens? That leaves MC with an army supply of 48 and idra with and army supply of 94. Roach Cost = 75/25 Roach total minerals = 3525 Roach Total Gas = 1175 Stalker Cost = 125/50 Stalker total Minerals = 3000 Stalker total Gas = 1200 Idra also had a higher supply = extra overlords so that factors in aswell. MC had +2 while idra only had +1. Stalkers are also strong vs roaches since they do +damage to armor. MC also had blink and idra did not have any infestors or similar to counter it. Idra still had a stronger army value, but nowhere near as 170 supply vs 112 makes it sounds. this is probably where people are finding it kinda ridiculous tbh, but idk idra should have built a bunch of zerglings insted to tank more insted of hydras idk | ||
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NexUmbra
Scotland3776 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:42 eot wrote: I'm not angry that IdrA lost (I was cheering for MC) but does anyone agree that maybe Stalkers should be 3 supply? I just think that if you max out on upgraded Stalkers it's a bit too strong, you get too many of them. No, I don't get how people still don't understand +2 attack upgrade vs +1 attack upgrade Stalkers are very good against roaches because of +damage against armoured, and idra had a bit of a late hydra den no infestors or even lings. Attacking 5 secs before tunneling claws has finished, pulling back and unnecessarily losing several roaches and a couple of lings | ||
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GrimReefer
United States442 Posts
oh Idra  i just want to see good games, but you fall into these scripted defeats that you either don't see coming, or you just keep trying the same thing hoping it will work.I've been watching some awesome neural parasite play lately ... game 1 all Idra had to do was neural the colossus at MC's 3rd. at 2 separate occasions MC only had 2 colossus at the base, a perfect situation for np. with the roaches to buffer for the infestors or maybe even a fungal growth, gg from MC. the last engagement was like 4-5 colossus, but still fungals and np's would've had the chance to succeed where roach and a few hydra/corruptor didn't. what happened to the Idra that 2-0'd MC at MLG? | ||
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XiGua
Sweden3085 Posts
Then IdrA made 3 and MC also made 3. Zerglings, Hydras, Roaches Sentries, Stalkers, Immortal(s) | ||
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AssuredVacancy
United States1167 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:45 darmousseh wrote: Amazing, not a single upset in the round of 16. That's kinda crazy. ro8 predictions Huk 2-1 socke July 2-0 Sen Bomber 2-1 mc Naniwa 2-1 moon This is the round where i'm not sure who's going to win really though. There are no more "clear winners". MC bomber could go any way. July sen really is dependent on how agressive july is. Good luck to everyone! Same predictions except I think sen will pull through considering how bad july's zvz is. | ||
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:45 rpgalon wrote: one roach burrow micro (like blink micro) is actually very good, but idra don't like micro yeah try microing roaches with burrow when you got an observer right above them... | ||
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TheLeafmuncher
Finland13 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:39 Namu wrote: idra just played bad that game... his early game was very good, putting those spores down in perfect positions, but apparently he thought he was SO ahead that it warranted him going pretty much pure roaches. that does NOT work against a protoss player, especially a player like MC whose control is just out of the world. idra could've wont he game easily if he had gotten hydras sooner, or even speedlings, or infestors.. That's pretty strong argument to throw in after MC lost 2 colossi to 20 roaches surging in and out because he just didn't pay attention on the first game. Truly AMAZING unit control. Out of this world bro. MC went for 1 base cheese, failed as hard as you can, 0 damage dealt by getting countered by an evo + 2 spores. MC was 70 supply and 1 fully saturated base behind. Idra wanted to end the game before he gets the colossi count up and starts securing 3rd + deathballing. MC didn't win because he was a better player, he won because even when you are 70 supply behind zerg can't make a single mistake when engaging but he has to engage to prevent the death ball. I know Idra should have got drop, i know he should have engaged in a different way, but honestly... When you are 70 supply ahead, 1 full base ahead and both still on same tier of units and got burrow + movement to fight against FF you shouldn't autlose if you don't engage in a perfect angle. TL;DR FF needs T2 counter. Unborrowing beneath a FF should break it, banelings should destroy them or they should just have a health bar. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
I'm sure before he played Whitera most people would have said/did say the same thing. Shame Moon crushed Whitera tho. Yes naniwa is better than whitera but don't act like this is a given. | ||
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