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On May 05 2011 08:22 Forumite wrote:
Of these three, I think we have the least to go on with AirbladeOrange, because he´s only got 4 posts so far. He looks more like a slow poster that made a few scumtells.
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Of the 3 suspicious ones, Kurumi, Irish_Punk13 and AirbladeOrange, AirbladeOrange has the least posts, and therefore the least to base a lynch on.
On May 05 2011 04:09 AirbladeOrange wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 00:56 Kurumi wrote:
Drop Chaoser discussion as scum.
He will be probably shot this night because he is good at Mafia and is staying really pro-town.
It is good to see some lurkers waking up! I don't like this post. I never like it when a townie tries to end discussion. The town should always encourage discussion. However, Chaoser does not seem to support Kurumi at all. It seems like Kurumi could be trying to defend his mafia buddy Chaoser but Chaoser is being very serious about not defending Kurumi at all. Maybe Kurumi just made a bad mistake that Chaoser is trying to distance himself from it in order to not be involved if Kurumi turns out to be mafia. Chaoser even did a little investigation on Kurumi's other TL posts which is very interesting. Chaoser is a good player which nobody should forget. I believe he has the potential to be a great townie or a great mafia player. Eternalmisfit did a good analysis of Kurumi as well. I think the worst part about him is his posting method. What's up with that? At least if we lynch him and he flips town, we won't have to attempt to read those type of posts anymore. I agree with your overall assessment of Kurumi and I see him at least as of right now being most likely to be mafia. This is my third mafia game. I played haunted mafia a while ago and I had no idea what was going on the entire game. Then I just played Brown Bear's mafia game in which I was a mafia goon. DropBear, Coagulation, and GMarshal were all on my team.
This is his longest post, one of FOUR posts. Apart from wanting to lynch Kurumi to keep him from spamming, i don´t see many weird tells.
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On May 05 2011 08:27 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 08:15 Forumite wrote:
I´d like to chime in a bit. To me it looks like primarily the ones below are suspected at the moment:
Kurumi
Irish_Punk13
AirbladeOrange
I have one problem with this, that they are voting on eachother, meaning that they are probably not all Scum. Below are the posts from these players that I found in the voting thread, with the newest post highest.
Kurumi:
#Vote Irish_Punk13
Irish_Punk13:
##Vote AirbladeOrange
Kurumi:
#Unvote Irish_Punk13
#Vote AirbladeOrange If anything that indicates AO is town. It's much too early to start analyzing voting patterns. If Punk is scum he will broadcast it to anybody and everybody as he continues to post. He really sucks at playing scum. I think atm the reactions of both Punk and Kurumi is just noobs.
Was Punk scum in the game you hosted jackal? I asked for the link to try to compare playstyles, but no one ever posted it.
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On May 05 2011 08:24 Beneather wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 08:22 Forumite wrote:
Of these three, I think we have the least to go on with AirbladeOrange, because he´s only got 4 posts so far. He looks more like a slow poster that made a few scumtells. Could you analyze these posts. So that we can see the scumtells you are telling us. We can't just bandwagon a guy just you say he has 4 posts and had a few scumtells. We need a little more than that.
I looked at his longest post. The other 3 are mostly oneliners. One thinks Chaoser is suspicious for doing an analysis early, the others looks like they are asking Irish questions, or asking questions about Irish.
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On May 05 2011 08:13 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 07:13 Cthsazsa wrote:
Why would we vote off inactives? We should leave them be. If they are mafia, well they aren't that much of a threat to us since they're not participating. On the other hand, if they're a townie then that'll just put a crutch in us. We'll lose a townie, PLUS we'd have wasted our votes.
People insisting that we vote off inactives just seems suspicious to me. Scum aren't a threat???? I know where my vote is going.
Excuse me? I guess I misunderstand your meaning of inactive.
I thought inactive is pretty self-explanatory. They're not actively participating in this game of Mafia, as I stated right after what you made bold in my post.
Why are you so quick to point fingers and call me out as scum? You totally ignored the topic of my post, and instead exaggerated a few words to make my post appear misleading and anti-town.
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Tbh, I would place my vote on Kurumi. Irish comes off to me as a player defending hard for himself. Kurumi's post make no sense to me. Questioned about he says he makes his posts weird just for the hell of it. That's no way to defend yourself if you're playing to win. His last post does become a bit more understandable but still makes no sense. Look at what he thinks of Kenpachi etc.
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And everyone is required to post in the thread, anyways...
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On May 05 2011 08:30 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 08:24 Beneather wrote:On May 05 2011 08:22 Forumite wrote:
Of these three, I think we have the least to go on with AirbladeOrange, because he´s only got 4 posts so far. He looks more like a slow poster that made a few scumtells. Could you analyze these posts. So that we can see the scumtells you are telling us. We can't just bandwagon a guy just you say he has 4 posts and had a few scumtells. We need a little more than that. I looked at his longest post. The other 3 are mostly oneliners. One thinks Chaoser is suspicious for doing an analysis early, the others looks like they are asking Irish questions, or asking questions about Irish.
You know post count and length have nothing to do with actual scumminess right? Foolishness when he plays rarely posts but he makes his posts count when he does. You said AO posted four times only. At least he's taking stances in his posts. Kurumi hasn't taken a real stance at all. He said he was suspicious of Punk and then voted WITH Punk as soon as Punk started the AO wagon. I'm inclined to look at behavior, not post count or post length. Go read previous games please. You'll see that focusing on these issues do nothing to further the town agenda. I don't know if it's because you are a new player or what but I've got my eye on you.
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On May 05 2011 08:30 Cthsazsa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 08:13 Jackal58 wrote:On May 05 2011 07:13 Cthsazsa wrote:
Why would we vote off inactives? We should leave them be. If they are mafia, well they aren't that much of a threat to us since they're not participating. On the other hand, if they're a townie then that'll just put a crutch in us. We'll lose a townie, PLUS we'd have wasted our votes.
People insisting that we vote off inactives just seems suspicious to me. Scum aren't a threat???? I know where my vote is going. Excuse me? I guess I misunderstand your meaning of inactive. I thought inactive is pretty self-explanatory. They're not actively participating in this game of Mafia, as I stated right after what you made bold in my post. Why are you so quick to point fingers and call me out as scum? You totally ignored the topic of my post, and instead exaggerated a few words to make my post appear misleading and anti-town.
He is quick to call you out because you claimed that lurking scum isn't a threat. I'm sure you can see how suspicious that is...
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A very common scum technique is to act suspicious of other scum, so that when/if they flip red you can say "I knew it" and seem pro-town.
On May 05 2011 07:13 Cthsazsa wrote:
Why would we vote off inactives? We should leave them be. If they are mafia, well they aren't that much of a threat to us since they're not participating. On the other hand, if they're a townie then that'll just put a crutch in us. We'll lose a townie, PLUS we'd have wasted our votes.
People insisting that we vote off inactives just seems suspicious to me.
What the hell is this post? Inactive players are not pro-town because they - Aren't giving us posts to analyze, thus deducing that they're town and focusing on real scum. This derails the town and helps the mafia.
- Aren't contributing and helping the town decide who is mafia. Most lurkers/inactives are just sheep who join major bandwagons, in my limited experience.
- Could be mafia keeping quiet so that nobody can figure that out from their posting. they can still kill/roleblock at night, so they are still a threat.
This is either a really stupid post or a really scummy post. I honestly can't tell which. Lynching an inactive day 1 is common, because it is rare to have enough information/analysis to peg any actual scum. A lynch based off of solid analysis is always to be preferred, of course. Ultimately, town wants to get rid of all inactive players before lylo, when each vote and opinion counts, while scum wants to keep as many inactives alive as possible, because they're useless to the town and just add uncertainty.
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I don't understand. I was talking about inactive people, not lurkers.
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Woops, I guess I misunderstood that. This is my first Mafia game, so I wouldn't know that lynching inactives is common..
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 05 2011 08:28 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 08:27 Jackal58 wrote:On May 05 2011 08:15 Forumite wrote:
I´d like to chime in a bit. To me it looks like primarily the ones below are suspected at the moment:
Kurumi
Irish_Punk13
AirbladeOrange
I have one problem with this, that they are voting on eachother, meaning that they are probably not all Scum. Below are the posts from these players that I found in the voting thread, with the newest post highest.
Kurumi:
#Vote Irish_Punk13
Irish_Punk13:
##Vote AirbladeOrange
Kurumi:
#Unvote Irish_Punk13
#Vote AirbladeOrange If anything that indicates AO is town. It's much too early to start analyzing voting patterns. If Punk is scum he will broadcast it to anybody and everybody as he continues to post. He really sucks at playing scum. I think atm the reactions of both Punk and Kurumi is just noobs. Was Punk scum in the game you hosted jackal? I asked for the link to try to compare playstyles, but no one ever posted it.
I was the co-host. But yes. You will have to join the site to see it.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 05 2011 08:30 Cthsazsa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 08:13 Jackal58 wrote:On May 05 2011 07:13 Cthsazsa wrote:
Why would we vote off inactives? We should leave them be. If they are mafia, well they aren't that much of a threat to us since they're not participating. On the other hand, if they're a townie then that'll just put a crutch in us. We'll lose a townie, PLUS we'd have wasted our votes.
People insisting that we vote off inactives just seems suspicious to me. Scum aren't a threat???? I know where my vote is going.
Excuse me? I guess I misunderstand your meaning of inactive.
I thought inactive is pretty self-explanatory. They're not actively participating in this game of Mafia, as I stated right after what you made bold in my post.
Why are you so quick to point fingers and call me out as scum? You totally ignored the topic of my post, and instead exaggerated a few words to make my post appear misleading and anti-town.
No I won't excuse you. The only people that would ever post scum aren't a threat is scum. Inactive scum/lurking scum/1000 posts per day scum. I don't care which variety you fall into. You're scum.
I didn't have to make your post appear anti-town. You did that all on your own.
Scum love letting inactives/lurkers hang around. We lynch while bored/stupid townies get mod killed. Hey its a two for one sale down at your local scum shop.
Who is on your 2 fer menu today Cthsazsa?
You're scum.
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On May 05 2011 08:36 Cthsazsa wrote:
I don't understand. I was talking about inactive people, not lurkers.
It is very hard to tell which is which. Thus, inactives must be treated as lurkers, or else lurking scum could just hide as inactives and be safe. that would be bad. The best course of action is to pressure the lurkers into posting. If they are truly inactive, they get modkilled and we move on. I'm not talking about them, i'm talking about the "posting so I don't get modkilled today" kind of poster. I consider them inactive as well.
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An inactive person is someone who is not posting or participating in actions is your definition of inactive? I really doubt that the whole mafia team is going to be inactive. It only needs one person to send in the kills. Also, the Host would know that the mafia is inactive and would probrably have to restart the game. So when we here inactive we think of lurkers it's the most logical way to think.
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I already analyzed Kurumi's posts a while ago after which is posted more inane posts with numbers, references to lost and finally ended with posting a slightly more coherent but still confusing post. Chaoser did an analysis of Irish_Punk13. Since AirBladeOrange is the third person people are suspicious of, I am posting my analysis of his posts as well.
Analysis of AirBladeOrange
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On May 04 2011 14:09 chaoser wrote:
Ok, so I posted that line just to see how people would respond. You can see that I didn't even post in the actual voting thread and already I think I've got some good reactions. Irish, why such a big response, going so far as to posting a link to another website, even saying that you would dismiss me and "not waste time on trying to convince someone I'm not scum". I didn't even actually vote for you, I posted some bolded words that could have easily been knocked down since there was no analysis behind it, and no logic behind it; it had nothing behind it. Why so serious? Why such a big reaction? Same thing to chaos13.
At the same time, why so much silence on the issue from people who were clearly present? Kitaman? You pop in to say that people shouldn't edit but you don't mention a single thing about Irish, a single thing about me, and a single thing about anything. What up?
I think this long of a post is more suspicious than anything irish punk dude said.
First post – Suspicion on Chaoser. No rationale provided.
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I don't like this post. I never like it when a townie tries to end discussion. The town should always encourage discussion. However, Chaoser does not seem to support Kurumi at all. It seems like Kurumi could be trying to defend his mafia buddy Chaoser but Chaoser is being very serious about not defending Kurumi at all. Maybe Kurumi just made a bad mistake that Chaoser is trying to distance himself from it in order to not be involved if Kurumi turns out to be mafia. Chaoser even did a little investigation on Kurumi's other TL posts which is very interesting. Chaoser is a good player which nobody should forget. I believe he has the potential to be a great townie or a great mafia player.
Eternalmisfit did a good analysis of Kurumi as well. I think the worst part about him is his posting method. What's up with that? At least if we lynch him and he flips town, we won't have to attempt to read those type of posts anymore. I agree with your overall assessment of Kurumi and I see him at least as of right now being most likely to be mafia.
This is my third mafia game. I played haunted mafia a while ago and I had no idea what was going on the entire game. Then I just played Brown Bear's mafia game in which I was a mafia goon. DropBear, Coagulation, and GMarshal were all on my team.
Post 2 (after I made my analysis of Kurumi). The bolded statement is what makes people suspicious of him. In my opinion, it can be possibly a scum trying to get a townie lynched. But since he is going after Kurumi who has sent some scum vibes himself and also this by itself is not sufficient proof, it cannot be deduced directly that he is scum. I still plan to keep a close look in his future posts.
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Holy shit. I was kidding about lynching Kurumi for his posting style. Look at his posts. Where are the good ones Irish Punk is claiming exist?
Back-tracking on the bolded quote as a joke. The second part of the post is interesting as it raises a valid point. Irish Punk supported Kurumi’s good posts which were non-existent (imo) and thus this crates a complicated relationship between the three people most suspected at this point.
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Please point out his good posts. Preferably the ones that make sense and are not about Lost.
Again, a valid post in view of how Kurumi and Irish started to bandwagon on AirBlade.
All in all, apart from the ‘joke’ of lynching townies with bad writing habits, there is no visible scum signs from AirBlade. Thus, among the three suspected, he seems least suspicious.
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On May 04 2011 15:54 KillerSOS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 15:09 AirbladeOrange wrote:On May 04 2011 14:09 chaoser wrote:
Ok, so I posted that line just to see how people would respond. You can see that I didn't even post in the actual voting thread and already I think I've got some good reactions. Irish, why such a big response, going so far as to posting a link to another website, even saying that you would dismiss me and "not waste time on trying to convince someone I'm not scum". I didn't even actually vote for you, I posted some bolded words that could have easily been knocked down since there was no analysis behind it, and no logic behind it; it had nothing behind it. Why so serious? Why such a big reaction? Same thing to chaos13.
At the same time, why so much silence on the issue from people who were clearly present? Kitaman? You pop in to say that people shouldn't edit but you don't mention a single thing about Irish, a single thing about me, and a single thing about anything. What up? I think this long of a post is more suspicious than anything irish punk dude said. I have to agree. First to analyze, last to be analyzed.
On May 05 2011 04:25 KillerSOS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 04:22 Irish_Punk13 wrote:
Okay, for now my vote is going on AirbladeOrange for his last post. I don't like the fact that he's okay with the idea of lynching town. Kurumi is making some great posts so far, and I think he's most likely town based off of his actions so far. The fact that you think it's okay to lynch him tells me that you're probably scum, so I'm putting my vote on you. I'm going to have to agree with this post, while I am not decided on a vote at all, this is a good line to follow.
On May 05 2011 06:02 KillerSOS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 06:00 Rising_Phoenix wrote:
I'm sitting here hoping that something interesting happen but all I see is:
*SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM*
Also lots of finger pointing without any actual evidence. I almost say vote for the spammers so at least we can have some constructive comments.
Also, the reason why my one post was unsubstantial is because I am still waiting for something to stick out. Right now all the spam looks suspicious, or at least is really annoying. I like how you make a spam post about spam posts. You would like to vote for yourself then?
Do these posts look scummy to you? They look like attempts to follow along with anothers accusations instead of adding own analysis. On the other hand it might just be low on analysis because he´s a new player.
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Nice conclusion there, Jackal. Very intelligent.
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On May 05 2011 08:42 Cthsazsa wrote:
Nice conclusion there, Jackal. Very intelligent.
If you wish to call my intelligence into question I'll get really sad.
Lynching you will raise my spirits though.
Sorry dude but everything in your post pushed a scum agenda.
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On May 05 2011 08:41 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 15:54 KillerSOS wrote:On May 04 2011 15:09 AirbladeOrange wrote:On May 04 2011 14:09 chaoser wrote:
Ok, so I posted that line just to see how people would respond. You can see that I didn't even post in the actual voting thread and already I think I've got some good reactions. Irish, why such a big response, going so far as to posting a link to another website, even saying that you would dismiss me and "not waste time on trying to convince someone I'm not scum". I didn't even actually vote for you, I posted some bolded words that could have easily been knocked down since there was no analysis behind it, and no logic behind it; it had nothing behind it. Why so serious? Why such a big reaction? Same thing to chaos13.
At the same time, why so much silence on the issue from people who were clearly present? Kitaman? You pop in to say that people shouldn't edit but you don't mention a single thing about Irish, a single thing about me, and a single thing about anything. What up? I think this long of a post is more suspicious than anything irish punk dude said. I have to agree. First to analyze, last to be analyzed. Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 04:25 KillerSOS wrote:On May 05 2011 04:22 Irish_Punk13 wrote:
Okay, for now my vote is going on AirbladeOrange for his last post. I don't like the fact that he's okay with the idea of lynching town. Kurumi is making some great posts so far, and I think he's most likely town based off of his actions so far. The fact that you think it's okay to lynch him tells me that you're probably scum, so I'm putting my vote on you. I'm going to have to agree with this post, while I am not decided on a vote at all, this is a good line to follow. Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 06:02 KillerSOS wrote:On May 05 2011 06:00 Rising_Phoenix wrote:
I'm sitting here hoping that something interesting happen but all I see is:
*SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM*
Also lots of finger pointing without any actual evidence. I almost say vote for the spammers so at least we can have some constructive comments.
Also, the reason why my one post was unsubstantial is because I am still waiting for something to stick out. Right now all the spam looks suspicious, or at least is really annoying. I like how you make a spam post about spam posts. You would like to vote for yourself then? Do these posts look scummy to you? They look like attempts to follow along with anothers accusations instead of adding own analysis. On the other hand it might just be low on analysis because he´s a new player.
Basically this. Although I'm getting a feel for it now.
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Jackal, what do you think about Kurumi's vote switch to AO as soon as Irish_Punk chainsaw defended him?
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