EPTMLG Format Explanation - Page 11
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Weasel-
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Jiddra
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ifalkun
United States10 Posts
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Valckrie
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Keitzer
United States2509 Posts
and it's against increasingly difficult players (of which, have played increasingly less games than you, sometimes) | ||
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stevarius
United States1394 Posts
Loser has to win two best of series while the winner only has to win one. | ||
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DurandaL917
United States92 Posts
I have to say now that I understand it, I like it. If you take the Bo3 series (vs Bo1) + the fact that it isn't single elimination should give the better player a great chance to advance and earn points. I just wish the finals were a best of 5. | ||
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On March 01 2011 10:06 stevarius wrote: Why their format doesn't work: Loser has to win two best of series while the winner only has to win one. Only the better player(Better record) will make it out, | ||
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GullyFoyle
United States103 Posts
I envy the Loser's Bracket players in MLG: some of them will get the opportunity to grind it out match after match... many of them are going to come out much stronger players, and it will be an experience they won't forget. | ||
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Snoyarc
United States101 Posts
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HyAjO
United States51 Posts
On March 01 2011 07:48 Keitzer wrote: so basically... if you sign up as a new player... you'll be player a SHITLOAD of starcraft over 1 weekend.... yes? and it's against increasingly difficult players (of which, have played increasingly less games than you, sometimes) you mean "you'll be playing* a shitload of sc?" then no, the writeup states somewhere in there that if you are a new player and you lose your first two sets you will be eliminated.. thanks for the 70 bucks, later. though, i do think you can spectate after you get knocked out.. i was thinking of going this year until i found out about this new system.. basically what it is: if you werent here last year or didnt do good last year, you must do very very well in a 256 man tourney before you get to compete with the pros... i love how on basically the front page of mlg dallas it says: Think you've got what it takes? Test your skills against the best players in the world! Come out in person and play the pros; it's the best chance you'll ever have to hone your skills and make a name for yourself. but you won't get to play the pros.. not unless ur a god.. my bet is that the winner WILL come from the Open bracket... i hope the top of the winners bracket just stomp everyone in pool play... i mean really... ive seen ppl play the 'seniority' card but COME ON.. whatever happened to everyone getting an even playing field? its really because MLG wants to protect their top players because fans love to see top players and follow them.. i can understand that.. there are invitationals for that... this hybrid open tourney/ invitational tourney just DOESNT WORK.... 21 bo3's is really discouraging to any new players wanting to go... also, i hope you guys realize that 70 dollar entry fee x 256 more pays for the entire cash pool of the sc2 tourney AND THEN SOME.. not to mention the money theyre getting from specs... they should be making money from sponsors and actually paying players for performing... i mean hell, we could make our own tourney with same fee and a higher prize pool... ill call is manneredGOSU's gaming league or something... /Lulface all of this really leads me to believe MLG is a big joke.. i cant see myself going there and seeing all these poor kids who are basically just gambling (because thats what its called when the prize pool doesnt exceed the entry fee). all of this just makes me look at it as "put your 70 in the pot if you think you can win 21 bo3s in a row LOL, else your money is MEH MONEYYYY!!" i would make that bet against anyone anyday. ppl like the guy i quoted are STILL not understanding that you can play 2 sets and leave feeling bad cause you wasted ur moms money on a hopeless dream lol... and the reason why is because mlg does a horrible job of giving you information about the tournament itself.. no where on the mlg page could i find out about how the tournament works or how many matches can you lose before your out.. so to all of you thinking this will be an ENDURANCE race and a plethora of sc matches against pros awaiting you come april 1st, just know that wont be the case for most players. rather, it will be another tourney vs some random scrub you could play online for free.. im high masters level and i still feel like i could get out in 2 sets im sure everyone there will be on the competitive level and i really dont wanna go home after 2 sets and beat myself up about it.. i wanna have fun.. i wanna play matches... I .. WANT .. BALANCE! THINK ABOUT IT | ||
MLG_Lee
279 Posts
On March 03 2011 19:03 HyAjO wrote: 21 bo3's is really discouraging to any new players wanting to go... also, i hope you guys realize that 70 dollar entry fee x 256 more pays for the entire cash pool of the sc2 tourney AND THEN SOME.. not to mention the money theyre getting from specs... they should be making money from sponsors and actually paying players for performing... i mean hell, we could make our own tourney with same fee and a higher prize pool... ill call is manneredGOSU's gaming league or something... /Lulface all of this really leads me to believe MLG is a big joke.. i cant see myself going there and seeing all these poor kids who are basically just gambling (because thats what its called when the prize pool doesnt exceed the entry fee). all of this just makes me look at it as "put your 70 in the pot if you think you can win 21 bo3s in a row LOL, else your money is MEH MONEYYYY!!" i would make that bet against anyone anyday. I have no problem with criticisms or even random troll flames, but I do have a problem with ignorance. Try this: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=legal definition of gambling - One of the legal considerations in operating a tournament is that you have to put the prize money up before you announce the tournament. As in, the cash has to be in the bank and ready to send to the winners. Counting on the entry fees to cover the pot (as opposed to recoup the costs) is one of the definitions of gambling. If a tournament's events had a sliding prize pool based on participation (i.e. was directly correlated such that if 10 people signed up at 100 bucks each, the prize pool = 1000, if 12 ppl, 1200, or 50, 5000), then it would be defined as gambling. You are right that if YOU go into this thinking I'll pay 70 and maybe get 5000 out, then you're gambling. But that's not how the tournament is set up as a competition of skill--you pay 70 bucks to participate and play matches in an organized tournament. You don't pay 70 bucks to have watch a little ball float through the air and pop out of a chute to tell you if you won. Trying to HELP cover costs is what most tournament organizers do with entry fees. But the reality is, entry fees never really even scratch the surface on costs. And if you look at entry fees compared to the total season purse (6 events, including the National Championship), the season purse is A LOT more than all the entry fees for the season. What entry fees really are is a way to make sure that you (the person who registers for the tournament) have skin in the game and are going to show up. If we set a tournament up for 272 players, and then 150 show up, that's really not so good for us... or the sport as a whole. If you think running a tournament, especially a live event on the scale of MLG just costs us prize money, you haven't thought this through. It costs us more than the prize money just to load up and ship around the gear that it takes to run the tournament all year long. Lastly and most importantly, you can't have it both ways. You can't demand that the sport grow, stand there and say give me more prize money, bigger tournaments, better rules, better maps, and " I want esports to be huge and awesome in North America" -- then have organizers like MLG, NASL and dozens of online organizations GIVE YOU THAT and then just say "I'm not gonna come because I could get the same thing at home." None of this works. None of this grows. None of this happens without the active support and participation of the fans and competitors. If you don't show up, if you don't participate, and if you don't support it, then there's an awful lot of people wasting their time. ... Wait, I was wrong. You can have it both ways, that's called freeloading. Or being a bum. So you can stay home if you want, but please try to find ways of supporting the growth of this sport and not just tearing down the efforts of people who are trying to make it grow. | ||
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MLG_Singlecoil
United States12 Posts
On March 03 2011 19:03 HyAjO wrote: no where on the mlg page could i find out about how the tournament works or how many matches can you lose before your out.. Tournament information is listed in the Pro Circuit section by Event and Game. Dallas event information can be found here, click on the game you want info for. http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/competitions/16 The Starcraft tournament format can be found here http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/competitions/16#event_33_competition_format | ||
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crayhasissues
United States682 Posts
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Slasher
United States1095 Posts
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thebigdonkey
United States354 Posts
On March 03 2011 19:03 HyAjO wrote: On March 01 2011 07:48 Keitzer wrote: so basically... if you sign up as a new player... you'll be player a SHITLOAD of starcraft over 1 weekend.... yes? and it's against increasingly difficult players (of which, have played increasingly less games than you, sometimes) you mean "you'll be playing* a shitload of sc?" then no, the writeup states somewhere in there that if you are a new player and you lose your first two sets you will be eliminated.. thanks for the 70 bucks, later. though, i do think you can spectate after you get knocked out.. i was thinking of going this year until i found out about this new system.. basically what it is: if you werent here last year or didnt do good last year, you must do very very well in a 256 man tourney before you get to compete with the pros... i love how on basically the front page of mlg dallas it says: Think you've got what it takes? Test your skills against the best players in the world! Come out in person and play the pros; it's the best chance you'll ever have to hone your skills and make a name for yourself. but you won't get to play the pros.. not unless ur a god.. my bet is that the winner WILL come from the Open bracket... i hope the top of the winners bracket just stomp everyone in pool play... i mean really... ive seen ppl play the 'seniority' card but COME ON.. whatever happened to everyone getting an even playing field? its really because MLG wants to protect their top players because fans love to see top players and follow them.. i can understand that.. there are invitationals for that... this hybrid open tourney/ invitational tourney just DOESNT WORK.... 21 bo3's is really discouraging to any new players wanting to go... also, i hope you guys realize that 70 dollar entry fee x 256 more pays for the entire cash pool of the sc2 tourney AND THEN SOME.. not to mention the money theyre getting from specs... they should be making money from sponsors and actually paying players for performing... i mean hell, we could make our own tourney with same fee and a higher prize pool... ill call is manneredGOSU's gaming league or something... /Lulface all of this really leads me to believe MLG is a big joke.. i cant see myself going there and seeing all these poor kids who are basically just gambling (because thats what its called when the prize pool doesnt exceed the entry fee). all of this just makes me look at it as "put your 70 in the pot if you think you can win 21 bo3s in a row LOL, else your money is MEH MONEYYYY!!" i would make that bet against anyone anyday. ppl like the guy i quoted are STILL not understanding that you can play 2 sets and leave feeling bad cause you wasted ur moms money on a hopeless dream lol... and the reason why is because mlg does a horrible job of giving you information about the tournament itself.. no where on the mlg page could i find out about how the tournament works or how many matches can you lose before your out.. so to all of you thinking this will be an ENDURANCE race and a plethora of sc matches against pros awaiting you come april 1st, just know that wont be the case for most players. rather, it will be another tourney vs some random scrub you could play online for free.. im high masters level and i still feel like i could get out in 2 sets im sure everyone there will be on the competitive level and i really dont wanna go home after 2 sets and beat myself up about it.. i wanna have fun.. i wanna play matches... I .. WANT .. BALANCE! THINK ABOUT IT So I just read that mass of words and afterward, I still don't really understand what your complaint is. Because in all of those words, you don't really make a single point, it's just solid whining. Is it that you think that by paying $70, you should be entitled to play your choice of pro gamers so you can tell your friends about it when you get home? I think you're missing the point of a tournament series. Basically, what MLG is saying is that because these pros did well last year in the series, they are entitled to NOT have to play vs random scrubs for 4 rounds before they start playing good games. This is a tournament, not a fricking meet and greet. Your argument that you could lose two sets and be out...Guess what: You could make that argument for any number. "WOW WTF I ONLY LOST 93 GAMES WOW UNFAIR MLG WASTE OF $70." If you want to play a pro, then man up and earn it, don't whine because it isn't handed to you. | ||
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NPF
Canada1635 Posts
It kind of takes away from the drama since you could say :"He lost vs him in the round robin will he get his revenge." But I think I might enjoy just seeing diffrent people duking it out. But thank you Motbob for your execellent post. | ||
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SaturnAttack
United States125 Posts
On February 28 2011 16:51 Bobster wrote: I seriously think people would have a lot less problem with the format if the Championship Bracket were a regular 32-man single/double elimination bracket, with 16 players who earned their seeded spots in previous tournaments, and 16 players who earned their spot in the open tournament. Yeah I much rather have this, or two rounds of group play and the top X seeds can skip the first round of group play and be seeded directly into round 2 groups. Top seeds should be rewarded, but this is just too much. Given win rates in SC2, I can see why for marketing purposes you want to protect top seeds, but this also greatly punishes people who can't show up to every event. In an ideal world where travel was cheap this isn't an issue, but now the occasional Korean or European pro is much less likely to participate, and it only makes me want to tune in less. SC2 changes too fast to maintain a set of 16 solid players. GOM has this problem too, the promotion/relegation isn't fluid enough to keep up with the rapid changes in skill level. This format has its merits, but given the short duration of the tournament it seems like it's too much. | ||
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MoreFaSho
United States1427 Posts
On March 04 2011 03:43 SaturnAttack wrote: Yeah I much rather have this, or two rounds of group play and the top X seeds can skip the first round of group play and be seeded directly into round 2 groups. Top seeds should be rewarded, but this is just too much. Given win rates in SC2, I can see why for marketing purposes you want to protect top seeds, but this also greatly punishes people who can't show up to every event. In an ideal world where travel was cheap this isn't an issue, but now the occasional Korean or European pro is much less likely to participate, and it only makes me want to tune in less. SC2 changes too fast to maintain a set of 16 solid players. GOM has this problem too, the promotion/relegation isn't fluid enough to keep up with the rapid changes in skill level. This format has its merits, but given the short duration of the tournament it seems like it's too much. As someone who intends to play, spectate live, and spectate online events this year I think the format is great. Obviously from a fair playing field status it's not perfect, but in terms of balancing that with providing something awesome for the spectators it's fucking amazing. It's unfortunate that some strong players who are not top 16 will incidentally not be top 16 after the event. The other thing this format does is that it gives lots of reasons for good players to try to play every event, to maintain and maximize their chance of being top 16. The format you're suggesting would have much lower spectator value like some of the previous MLG events (which were still very good). Production Value! This format will also allow MLG to have much better production value by letting them prepare interviews and video clips with the top players that will be seeding into the events every time. This makes the presentation 100x more awesome and gives better narratives. | ||
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Branch.AUT
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