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Almin
United States583 Posts
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tbrown47
United States1235 Posts
On February 28 2011 08:42 FabledIntegral wrote: I remember liking girls as long as I can remember, as young as 4 years old I was always thinking about girls. And not just "thinking about" randomly, but sexual thoughts, by 5 I had already fingered two girls and made out with another, I was obsessed with them. Unfortunately I got more action between ages 1-10 than I did between 11-16. jesus christ dude LOL so much 1-10 year old game : ] | ||
Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
It's hard to think about it like that though. When I see a girl with good bum, and I mean like a good, big, round bum in a tight dress there is definitely no choice in it, I'm having it. Not even something I can control. The whole thing feels so primal that it's hard to imagine it as anything over than it just being genetically who you are, as an animal. But then I suppose it would and it doesn't mean anything. P.S. Google tells me you get gay animals. And there's quite a bit of research into it. | ||
chocopan
Japan986 Posts
Seems to me, especially once you take a cross-cultural and historical perspective, that human sexuality is spectacularly fluid. When you are trying to take legal/political action eg. against social discrimination or oppressive laws, sure, reifying around a "solid" identity makes a lot of sense. But in the real lives of actual individual people, sexuality and orientation and attraction are much more complex. (Hence words like "queer" etc in addition to the traditional language of "lesbian" and "gay".) 2c | ||
42x10
United States62 Posts
Some people are just born gay. Their entire lives they feel attracted to the opposite sex, or even that they are trapped in the wrong body. These people will always be gay and should be allowed to live as they wish. They make up probably ten percent of the gay community. The problem is that same sex attraction is often indicative of a gender identity disorder, which is caused by a legitimate hormonal imbalance. This is why you have to get psychologically tested before you undergo gender reassignment surgery. In cultures that are more accepting towards gays, there is a higher recognized gay population. Of course that makes sense. However i think this is because of several factors, not just the fact that, for example, in Saudi Arabia you can be executed for being gay, and in the US you can't. When a society is more accepting of gays, it means people who have these type of identity issues are told that how they feel is okay, and that they should accept it. It feels "right" to them, as many people say, because that's just naturally who they are. However if they were examined for hormonal imbalances and the like, i'm sure MANY (but not all) would be found to have them. These chemical problems, while not exactly common in the population, pop up more than you would think. These seem to me to also be what causes your stereotypical "feminine" gay behavior. Similarly some of them will probably have childhood issues, and some will even be "imitating" gays, which they think is "cool". While it's not at the same level as some of these people, the fad among highschool girls in declaring themselves as "bisexual" and even experimenting in that manner is an example of how societal acceptance of homosexuality leads to increasing it's prevalence. But it's not like i'm saying there aren't many degrees of homosexuality. The fact is that some guys like guys and some women like women. But i believe that some percentage of those people only persist in that attraction because society increasingly pushes them towards accepting that as a lifestyle in stead of moving away from it. Is that a bad thing or a good thing? I don't think i'm in any position to say as i'm a straight male. | ||
kerpal
United Kingdom2695 Posts
from wikipedia (as it seems few of you are willing to actually research this: The American Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association, and National Association of Social Workers stated in 2006: “Currently, there is no scientific consensus about the specific factors that cause an individual to become heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual—including possible biological, psychological, or social effects of the parents’ sexual orientation. However, the available evidence indicates that the vast majority of lesbian and gay adults were raised by heterosexual parents and the vast majority of children raised by lesbian and gay parents eventually grow up to be heterosexual.[2] ” The Royal College of Psychiatrists stated in 2007: “Despite almost a century of psychoanalytic and psychological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heterosexual or homosexual orientation. It would appear that sexual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment. Sexual orientation is therefore not a choice.” The American Academy of Pediatrics stated in Pediatrics in 2004: “Sexual orientation probably is not determined by any one factor but by a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences. In recent decades, biologically based theories have been favored by experts. Although there continues to be controversy and uncertainty as to the genesis of the variety of human sexual orientations, there is no scientific evidence that abnormal parenting, sexual abuse, or other adverse life events influence sexual orientation. Current knowledge suggests that sexual orientation is usually established during early childhood. to paraphrase, no-one is that sure. it's not a choice, it's not genetic and it's not as simple as anyone would like us to think. it's something psychiatric research is heavily involved in while also being a massively sensitive topic. unless you have a phd in this area you are probably not qualified to take part in this discussion. how about we re-read the OP and post something on topic? | ||
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On February 28 2011 08:55 tbrown47 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2011 08:42 FabledIntegral wrote: I remember liking girls as long as I can remember, as young as 4 years old I was always thinking about girls. And not just "thinking about" randomly, but sexual thoughts, by 5 I had already fingered two girls and made out with another, I was obsessed with them. Unfortunately I got more action between ages 1-10 than I did between 11-16. jesus christ dude LOL so much 1-10 year old game : ] Excuse me while I adjust my skeptical glasses. Fingering at fucking 5? Bullshit, that doesn't at all possible or accurate unless it's from a Spirou comic book. | ||
The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
And it is occasional. I really, really like women, and I wouldn't ever have a relationship with another man, but every couple of months or so I just really want...ahm, something women can't provide. I've never had any of the psychological problems the OP talked about on the first page; shame, coming to terms with it etc. I have, and have always had, a very relaxed attitude to the whole thing. It was just something I wanted and did, and it wasn't until a couple years ago that I actually realised 'Oh, I guess all this gay sex I've been having makes me bisexual. Whaddya know.' On February 28 2011 10:46 Torte de Lini wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2011 08:55 tbrown47 wrote: On February 28 2011 08:42 FabledIntegral wrote: I remember liking girls as long as I can remember, as young as 4 years old I was always thinking about girls. And not just "thinking about" randomly, but sexual thoughts, by 5 I had already fingered two girls and made out with another, I was obsessed with them. Unfortunately I got more action between ages 1-10 than I did between 11-16. jesus christ dude LOL so much 1-10 year old game : ] Excuse me while I adjust my skeptical glasses. Fingering at fucking 5? Bullshit, that doesn't at all possible or accurate unless it's from a Spirou comic book. I can relate to being obsessed with sex at a young age; I (regularly) sucked another boys penis when I was 6, I (inexpertly) licked a girls pussy when I was 7 and I had what can only be described as an ongoing sexual relationship with a 15 year old boy when I was only 8. True fuckin' story. That last one is probably pretty fucked, but it doesn't affect me, if I ever even think about it it's with surprised detachment. Like 'Oh yeah that did happen. Huh.' Man I hope no one I actually know reads this forum. That'd be bad. | ||
Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On February 28 2011 11:21 The KY wrote: Show nested quote + Excuse me while I adjust my skeptical glasses. Fingering at fucking 5? Bullshit, that doesn't at all possible or accurate unless it's from a Spirou comic book. I can relate to being obsessed with sex at a young age; I (regularly) sucked another boys penis when I was 6, I (inexpertly) licked a girls pussy when I was 7 and I had what can only be described as an ongoing sexual relationship with a 15 year old boy when I was only 8. True fuckin' story. That last one is probably pretty fucked, but it doesn't affect me, if I ever even think about it it's with surprised detachment. Like 'Oh yeah that did happen. Huh.' Man I hope no one I actually know reads this forum. That'd be bad. yeah, these kinds of experiences are not unusual (though they certainly must seem so by people who have not had them) i first started playing around with boys when i was 5 years old or so. i fingered my best friend when we were both 8 years old. she even grabbed my limp penis and stuck it in her vagina. lol i sucked another guys penis (with a glad sandwich bag between my mouth and his penis) when i was 9? or 10? i've been sexual/had sexual experiences for as far as my memory goes back pretty much. | ||
The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On February 28 2011 11:35 Mora wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2011 11:21 The KY wrote: Excuse me while I adjust my skeptical glasses. Fingering at fucking 5? Bullshit, that doesn't at all possible or accurate unless it's from a Spirou comic book. I can relate to being obsessed with sex at a young age; I (regularly) sucked another boys penis when I was 6, I (inexpertly) licked a girls pussy when I was 7 and I had what can only be described as an ongoing sexual relationship with a 15 year old boy when I was only 8. True fuckin' story. That last one is probably pretty fucked, but it doesn't affect me, if I ever even think about it it's with surprised detachment. Like 'Oh yeah that did happen. Huh.' Man I hope no one I actually know reads this forum. That'd be bad. yeah, these kinds of experiences are not unusual (though they certainly must seem so by people who have not had them) i first started playing around with boys when i was 5 years old or so. i fingered my best friend when we were both 8 years old. she even grabbed my limp penis and stuck it in her vagina. lol i sucked another guys penis (with a glad sandwich bag between my mouth and his penis) when i was 9? or 10? i've been sexual/had sexual experiences for as far as my memory goes back pretty much. This kind of thing is why it amuses me when people get angry about the fact that kids are taught sex education younger these days. 'Kids are so innocent, why do we have to make them grow up faster, blah blah blah' (<--to be read in the voice of a hysterical mother). And I'm sitting there smirking, thinking 'Yeah. Sure they're fucking innocent. No kids have ever experimented sexually with eachother, riiiight.' | ||
bovi
Japan208 Posts
would you be offended if I created a thread looking for straight SC players to befriend? its not as if you're looking for playing partners who speak the same language. If you're gay and just want some friends to play sc with, just go ahead and make friends without discrimination. You dont have to find gay sc players to play with if you really just wanna play the game. A straight sc player would be ok being your practise partner. However it seems you wanna create a circle of gay sc players like some kinda club. If you are against discrimination based on sexual preference you're being a hypocrite with this thread. this statement is totally contradictary 1) For gays to find other gays that actually have something in common, other than their seuxality. This is a game, stop bringing sexuality or sexual discrimination or sex education into the mix. You sounds as if straight gamers won't play sc with you. just sounds like YOU dont wanna play sc with straight gamers. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On February 28 2011 10:46 Torte de Lini wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2011 08:55 tbrown47 wrote: On February 28 2011 08:42 FabledIntegral wrote: I remember liking girls as long as I can remember, as young as 4 years old I was always thinking about girls. And not just "thinking about" randomly, but sexual thoughts, by 5 I had already fingered two girls and made out with another, I was obsessed with them. Unfortunately I got more action between ages 1-10 than I did between 11-16. jesus christ dude LOL so much 1-10 year old game : ] Excuse me while I adjust my skeptical glasses. Fingering at fucking 5? Bullshit, that doesn't at all possible or accurate unless it's from a Spirou comic book. Maybe we have a different definition of making out. Making out, at least where I'm from, means kissing with tongue for an extended duration. It's less than fingering. EDIT: misread your post, you said "at fucking 5." I know two other guys who did that as well, although we all did it with the same girl. How in the world do you say that isn't possible, lmao. | ||
The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
This is a game, stop bringing sexuality or sexual discrimination or sex education into the mix. You sounds as if straight gamers won't play sc with you. just sounds like YOU dont wanna play sc with straight gamers. Generally people define themselves by what seperates them from the norm. You won't see a 'Straight Starcraft Players' thread for that reason; if you define yourself primarily or largely by a majority that you are in, it just comes off as implied prejudice. That's just the way it is, and sorry if it irks you, but it doesn't work vice versa. Imagine for example that an american went around telling people that he was 'White and proud'. People would get nervous around that guy. The implication that there is something discriminatory about this thread is frankly absurd. TL has a vast array of topics discussed outside of Starcraft, why can't people talk about their sexuality, and meet others of the same sexuality? By all means set up a thread to meet other straight SC players, but it'd come off as pretty weird. If the reason for that isn't obvious, give it a little more thought. | ||
Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On February 28 2011 11:52 bovi wrote: This is a game, stop bringing sexuality or sexual discrimination or sex education into the mix. Why? If you do not want to participate in this thread, do not participate. The amount of positive responses from people has been overwhelming: far beyond my expectations. * People have been able to find out information they wanted to know or were curious about, and have enjoyed such * People have commented that their perspectives on sexuality have been broadened, and are glad for it * People who have a difficult time meeting others similar to them have found a very very small slice of TL.net (this thread) to do so. They've been thankful for it. I do not get these kinds of posts. My intentions were clear in my original post, all of which have been realized in a positive, successful way. No harm has come from this thread, and any participation is completely optional. What is your problem? | ||
Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On February 28 2011 12:05 Mora wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2011 11:52 bovi wrote: This is a game, stop bringing sexuality or sexual discrimination or sex education into the mix. Why? If you do not want to participate in this thread, do not participate. The amount of positive responses from people has been overwhelming: far beyond my expectations. * People have been able to find out information they wanted to know or were curious about, and have enjoyed such * People have commented that their perspectives on sexuality have been broadened, and are glad for it * People who have a difficult time meeting others similar to them have found a very very small slice of TL.net (this thread) to do so. They've been thankful for it. I do not get these kinds of posts. My intentions were clear in my original post, all of which have been realized in a positive, successful way. No harm has come from this thread, and any participation is completely optional. What is your problem? Your weird, scary, and deviant behavior clearly scares the poor boy! How dare you! | ||
Mora
Canada5235 Posts
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4302 Posts
On February 28 2011 08:42 FabledIntegral wrote: I remember liking girls as long as I can remember, as young as 4 years old I was always thinking about girls. And not just "thinking about" randomly, but sexual thoughts, by 5 I had already fingered two girls and made out with another That ain't right..... | ||
FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On February 28 2011 13:54 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2011 08:42 FabledIntegral wrote: I remember liking girls as long as I can remember, as young as 4 years old I was always thinking about girls. And not just "thinking about" randomly, but sexual thoughts, by 5 I had already fingered two girls and made out with another That ain't right..... Because, you know, kids aren't curious, right? It's not exactly uncommon. | ||
Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On February 28 2011 13:56 FabledIntegral wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2011 13:54 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: On February 28 2011 08:42 FabledIntegral wrote: I remember liking girls as long as I can remember, as young as 4 years old I was always thinking about girls. And not just "thinking about" randomly, but sexual thoughts, by 5 I had already fingered two girls and made out with another That ain't right..... Because, you know, kids aren't curious, right? It's not exactly uncommon. how the hell did you get that kinda action at 5? was it just like, "wanna see what happens when we do this together?" | ||
Karliath
United States2214 Posts
On February 28 2011 09:57 42x10 wrote: In my mind being gay is mostly a result of social conditions, contrary to what some people have stated in this thread. Some people are just born gay. Their entire lives they feel attracted to the opposite sex, or even that they are trapped in the wrong body. These people will always be gay and should be allowed to live as they wish. They make up probably ten percent of the gay community. The problem is that same sex attraction is often indicative of a gender identity disorder, which is caused by a legitimate hormonal imbalance. This is why you have to get psychologically tested before you undergo gender reassignment surgery. In cultures that are more accepting towards gays, there is a higher recognized gay population. Of course that makes sense. However i think this is because of several factors, not just the fact that, for example, in Saudi Arabia you can be executed for being gay, and in the US you can't. When a society is more accepting of gays, it means people who have these type of identity issues are told that how they feel is okay, and that they should accept it. It feels "right" to them, as many people say, because that's just naturally who they are. However if they were examined for hormonal imbalances and the like, i'm sure MANY (but not all) would be found to have them. These chemical problems, while not exactly common in the population, pop up more than you would think. These seem to me to also be what causes your stereotypical "feminine" gay behavior. Similarly some of them will probably have childhood issues, and some will even be "imitating" gays, which they think is "cool". While it's not at the same level as some of these people, the fad among highschool girls in declaring themselves as "bisexual" and even experimenting in that manner is an example of how societal acceptance of homosexuality leads to increasing it's prevalence. But it's not like i'm saying there aren't many degrees of homosexuality. The fact is that some guys like guys and some women like women. But i believe that some percentage of those people only persist in that attraction because society increasingly pushes them towards accepting that as a lifestyle in stead of moving away from it. Is that a bad thing or a good thing? I don't think i'm in any position to say as i'm a straight male. Uh do you have any evidence whatsover for the percentage you've stated? | ||
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