EPTA question to any other TLer's. Do you feel that sexuality is something definite where you check boxes (Man interested in A-Male B-Female, choose one) or is it a spectrum?
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wonderwall
New Zealand695 Posts
A question to any other TLer's. Do you feel that sexuality is something definite where you check boxes (Man interested in A-Male B-Female, choose one) or is it a spectrum? | ||
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valheru
Australia966 Posts
Actually ment that on Karlaith's post On February 28 2011 10:46 Torte de Lini wrote: Excuse me while I adjust my skeptical glasses. Fingering at fucking 5? Bullshit, that doesn't at all possible or accurate unless it's from a Spirou comic book. It's happens it's ridiculously uncommon (at this extent) but it happens, and since there are a ridiculous number of people on the internet it was bound to turn up sooner or later somewhere. | ||
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chocopan
Japan986 Posts
On February 28 2011 14:45 wonderwall wrote: When did this thread become a dumping ground for people to toss their own prejudice and misinformed opinions out into the open? I'm probably bi at least I've experimented with both sexes. A question to any other TLer's. Do you feel that sexuality is something definite where you check boxes (Man interested in A-Male B-Female, choose one) or is it a spectrum? Well to be fair, part of the OP-defined purpose was for people to ask questions. Although I agree it would be cooler if some posts were heavier on the question part and lighter on the speechifying part. But hey it's the internet, for myself I'm kinda stunned this thread is as useful and informative and thought-provoking etc as it is. Totally spectrum. Which isn't to say some people can't be located pretty far over at one or other ends. But spectrum. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On February 28 2011 14:12 Roe wrote: how the hell did you get that kinda action at 5? was it just like, "wanna see what happens when we do this together?" Daycare. | ||
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wonderwall
New Zealand695 Posts
Totally spectrum. Which isn't to say some people can't be located pretty far over at one or other ends. But spectrum. I feel the same way as well but a few close friends seem to differ. They are of the attitude that "If you were interested in men at some point you are gay, no exceptions" which makes things awkward between us. | ||
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chocopan
Japan986 Posts
On February 28 2011 16:45 wonderwall wrote: I feel the same way as well but a few close friends seem to differ. They are of the attitude that "If you were interested in men at some point you are gay, no exceptions" which makes things awkward between us. Aaah ok. Well, sure, you can define "gay" or "lesbian" however you want, and it's true some people think the way you outlined. But it completely invalidates the notion of a bisexual sexual orientation, which many people claim to have. And it also implies that a person who lives a completely het lifestyle for like 85 years, but messed around with a girl or guy in their teens, is "lesbian/gay" - which seems at best wildly misleading. While acknowledging there is such a thing as a closet and denial is not just a river in Egypt, my general attitude is people should have to freedom to choose their own labels. If they call themselves gay one day but then ask me to call them queer the next, that's cool with me. I certainly don't think though that one samesex dalliance a homersexual makes. (In fact, dif conversation but, I get the impression many het guys have actually played around with another guy at least one or twice in their lives. Guys?) | ||
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Husnan
France298 Posts
On February 28 2011 14:50 valheru wrote: ^seconded Actually ment that on Karlaith's post It's happens it's ridiculously uncommon (at this extent) but it happens, and since there are a ridiculous number of people on the internet it was bound to turn up sooner or later somewhere. Is it really? o_O I thought it was actually very common for kids around age 4-6 to be curious/experiment with sex. I know I did, both with a girln and a boy. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On February 28 2011 17:39 Husnan wrote: Is it really? o_O I thought it was actually very common for kids around age 4-6 to be curious/experiment with sex. I know I did, both with a girln and a boy. Yeah, I don't think it's as uncommon as he thinks. Note, I never said I had intercourse or anything. | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On February 28 2011 14:45 wonderwall wrote: When did this thread become a dumping ground for people to toss their own prejudice and misinformed opinions out into the open? I'm probably bi at least I've experimented with both sexes. A question to any other TLer's. Do you feel that sexuality is something definite where you check boxes (Man interested in A-Male B-Female, choose one) or is it a spectrum? Physically, you're obviously either one or the other barring some sort of abnormality in which case I'm not sure. As for the psychological side of it, it's a spectrum. My question to gay men would be why so many of them act so overly effeminately. This isn't to say all gay men do it, but I really don't see straight men talking like a valley girl with a fake lisp and it really can't be a natural thing since I've seen guys suddenly pick it up after coming out of the closet. Is it just fashionable or something? Where does this come from and why can't they just act normal like other gay guys? It honestly bothers me because it feels so forced and insecure... It's almost as if they feel some sort of need to throw their sexuality in peoples' faces when most people really wouldn't care otherwise. Sure, for some people it's natural, but you can't tell me that all these people suddenly feel that everything in the world is "fabulous"... | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On February 28 2011 17:54 LegendaryZ wrote: Physically, you're obviously either one or the other barring some sort of abnormality in which case I'm not sure. As for the psychological side of it, it's a spectrum. My question to gay men would be why so many of them act so overly effeminately. This isn't to say all gay men do it, but I really don't see straight men talking like a valley girl with a fake lisp and it really can't be a natural thing since I've seen guys suddenly pick it up after coming out of the closet. Is it just fashionable or something? Where does this come from and why can't they just act normal like other gay guys? It honestly bothers me because it feels so forced and insecure... It's almost as if they feel some sort of need to throw their sexuality in peoples' faces when most people really wouldn't care otherwise. Sure, for some people it's natural, but you can't tell me that all these people suddenly feel that everything in the world is "fabulous"... my question to you is why do you take notice of the effeminate ones so much? there's a lot of just normal ones and probably the same amount of butch as valley. The ones that pick it up after coming out have probably either been trying to suppress it all that time, or are the type that need to fit into a certain mold and can't handle being an individual. | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On February 28 2011 18:31 Roe wrote: my question to you is why do you take notice of the effeminate ones so much? there's a lot of just normal ones and probably the same amount of butch as valley. The ones that pick it up after coming out have probably either been trying to suppress it all that time, or are the type that need to fit into a certain mold and can't handle being an individual. I notice the effeminate ones a lot more for the same reason I notice loud people on the subway a lot more than I notice quiet ones. The difference is that I can guess why a loud person on a subway might be loud, but I really have no idea why a person take on a fake lisp and act like a textbook "Queer Eye" type especially when they go on to cry about being viewed differently when they're clearly making an effort to act differently. I actually do know plenty of gay people that act pretty normal and you wouldn't know they were gay unless they told you and they don't seem to know why this happens either. The effeminate ones I do know just go off on me about judging them or some BS when I ask them, but I'm really not judging. It's honest curiosity about a trend that I've noticed. Maybe it's being fueled by Hollywood or whatever, but where did this come from and why is it something that's so closely associated with the gay male community? | ||
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Ultramus
United States319 Posts
On the completely off the wall post saying hormonal imbalance, AFAIK there is no more proclivity in those folks with additional X chromosomes to be homosexual, or those with low testosterone or any other hormone related illness that would set them below the nominal range. I think some discrimination comes along with saying it is something chosen, you are justifying whatever prejudices you may have when you say it is THEIR choice. I don't believe anyone can say for certain what goes on in another's head to even remotely assume such a claim. Physiologically, I don't think there will ever be any "gay gene" or any test for this, as I said earlier treat it as a symptom, something that can arise from infinite factors and variables. Especially when we refer to the brain, it's just as likely you'll find a phenotype indicating you'll love punk rock and hate country music. However just because you can't take a blood sample of a person and say they are blood type ABqueer or have any other quantitative evidence DOES NOT exclude it from being a intrinsic condition. For me personally, my sexuality is more a result of my own eccentricities, and was a conscious decision. As far as people "changing" when they come out, i'm sure there are underlying factors there, because it is not a phenomena that occurs to all of us. I think people too often fall for the correlation implies causation fallacy when they view people with alternative sexualities. | ||
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Manimal_pro
Romania991 Posts
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R1CH
Netherlands10340 Posts
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Sandrosuperstar
Sweden525 Posts
On February 28 2011 20:03 Manimal_pro wrote: homosexuality should be heavily frowned upon because it's not natural and my opinion is that it should be punishable by law, just like other questionable activity, like doing drugs good question troll | ||
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Manimal_pro
Romania991 Posts
@R1ch the reason homosexuality has the same effect as drugs in my opinion is that it destroys any chance of a normal family. can homosexuals breed toghether? can you say that a family made out of 2 men or 2 women and adopted children is something naturally ocurring. I respect their choice to be gay, and i expect them to respect my choice not to accept this kind of behaviour. I don't have any gay friends and never will. this is not trolling, it's just how i see it | ||
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chocopan
Japan986 Posts
Homosexuality doesn't, empirically, destroy the chance of family as you put it. I know plenty of queer families and they do just fine. Re gay isn't natural, first, homosexuality occurs in the animal kingdom/other species, does that not make it "natural"? Second, homosexuality in some form exists in all human societies and as best we can judge has always done, does this not suggest it is natural? And thirdly, why should we take our lead from "nature" anyway. Walruses have harems of what 20-30 cows (? marine biologists chime in here!) to a male. Should we model our behavior on the walrus? I should note, to my mind the above are all purely rhetorical rebuttal. I don't expect them to change anyone's mind. You said you respect peoples' choice to be gay. Earlier you said homosexuality should be punishable by law. Do you reconcile these views? etc etc. Edited for spelling grammar clarity logic, pretty much everything. | ||
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jarrydesque
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On February 28 2011 21:33 Manimal_pro wrote: @sandrosuperstar where's the question? @R1ch the reason homosexuality has the same effect as drugs in my opinion is that it destroys any chance of a normal family. can homosexuals breed toghether? can you say that a family made out of 2 men or 2 women and adopted children is something naturally ocurring. I respect their choice to be gay, and i expect them to respect my choice not to accept this kind of behaviour. I don't have any gay friends and never will. this is not trolling, it's just how i see it It's obvious that you have your mindset and there is no changing that, but I do believe that it has to be a better reason than "destroying the chance to a normal family". What does that even mean? Are you saying that you are angry with me because I'm gay and because I'm not procreating? Are you angry with straight people who choose to not have children as well? Or barren woman or infertile men? Go wild with hating for a good reason, but unfortunately the one you've provided is not going to cut it. Also, be careful when you throw the word "choice" around. I see it's been discussed quite extensively on this forum already, but I (being gay) don't believe I had a choice. I believe many feel this way as well, hence "coming out" is such a big deal - because it's something bad and dirty that you've suppressed for so long that you are eventually accepting. Accepting because you have no choice - there is no changing. If you asked me when I was 16 and finding my way out of the closet if I wanted to be gay or straight, I would have told you straight in a heartbeat. Thing have changed since then and I'm no longer ashamed of who I am, but I can tell you that without a shadow of a doubt, my life would have been a hell of a lot easier. No coming out (the hardest part of my life to date), no being terrorized in high school, no family drama and no defending myself to people who just don't have the insight or empathy to truly understand what being gay means. Obviously it's so much easier to just say - oh well they suck dick and take it up the bum and thats wrong, so being gay is wrong. Anyway, long post short, you are, at the end of the day, entitled to your own opinion regardless of what it may be, just like I'm entitled to my own sexuality. But maybe one day you'll meet someone really cool, that you get on with really well and when you find out they are gay, you'll have to think a bit harder about all of this - you may even learn that we're pretty normal people, just like you. Edit: Geez R1CH, would you mind terribly banning someone BEFORE I write War and Peace for them?! | ||
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R1CH
Netherlands10340 Posts
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Kickboxer
Slovenia1308 Posts
I think gay people should really settle on the public perception of the "harmless deviant" instead of lobbying for the position of the "other kind of normal" and for stuff like adopting children because this makes the whole matter a lot harder to stomach for people who view things in different terms. | ||
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