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Don't post in this thread to say "gay gamers are like everyone else, why do they have a special thread?" It is something that has been posted numerous times, and this isn't the place for that discussion.
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On February 28 2011 01:05 Tufas wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 00:53 Torte de Lini wrote:On February 28 2011 00:50 Tufas wrote:On February 28 2011 00:46 Torte de Lini wrote:On February 28 2011 00:44 Tufas wrote:I think it is considerably dumb if you think that being born gay is possible. Sounds to me like the scientists of old (black people have a smaller brain = dumb, being gay is a desease). And whenever I head that being gay Is against nature, I have to laugh hard. Go out there and watch a bunch of animals have sex. And as long as he cannot prove to me that in the last 4000 years (arbitrary number) the amount of LGBT actually went up, well, post somewhere else. I would refer to this fun website. And hell, a gay friend of mine is 10x manlier that I am. He he actually says that those homosexuals who dress like faggots deserve to be called that .. thats how he rolls :/ And most of the homosexual individuals I know use the word faggot and gay in their normal vocabulary and they mean it the same way when I say "defenitely the gay moment of the day.". And they are not only okay with it but also tell me that is absolutely okay and noone cares. The only problem is when you say it to people you dont know - and you shouldnt be talking like that with people you dont know anyway. Who goes to a strange person and tells them they look like a faggot - if they are actually gay or not doesnt matter in this case. Be aware of your surroundings and who cares what you say when you are with friends. When you are not, stop using possible offensive language. World peace achieved. Way to ruin my attempt to be civil about the differences of views. This is incredibly callous to say. Irony may have had a tumultuous run with me there .. but I am not quite sure what part of my writings you are refering to .. And if you actually can get born gay, I will write an letter of apology to everyone whom I offended. I really would ! I think it is considerably dumb if you think that being born gay is possible. derp. Being unaccepting of other people's views is callous. I refuse to belive that one has to accept everyones views. That would trap us in an invinite loop where I dont accept that you dont accept that I dont accept other views while you are not accepting my views thus making your statement invalid. And as far as my translation websites go (did not know that word in english) : callous - indifferent, deadhearted, apathetically, bitter, insensible, hardened .. would that be correct ?
I'm pretty sure putting other views down and calling it dumb is one step too far than saying you rightfully disagree and invalidate the opinion as possible.
There's no infinite loop because everyone else is capable of being civil o_o;;
Callous = Unsympathetic.
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On February 28 2011 01:01 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 00:54 BarryWhite wrote:On February 28 2011 00:50 Torte de Lini wrote:
Is that James Earl Jones?
This is highly entertaining, I also didn't know that my views were coinciding with those of Catholics and Christians o_____o
I feel so out of touch!
Won't lie, my eyebrows lifted a bit at these stats O: I'm glad you liked it. I'd definitely check out the movie if I were you. It's sad at times, but it's really good and incredibly informative. Still surprised my views are so aligned by Catholics and Christians. I'm a Catholic and a Jewish person, but I take neither as a form of arguments nor anything else besides moral guidelines when I was growing up. I still cannot help but feel it is a choice. Perhaps one that is irreversible (if that makes any sense), but still... to be born with a sexual orientation just feels illogical.
Hm, that's interesting. I would make the argument that it's illogical to think sexual orientation is a choice. It's hard to argue that so many people would choose to be persecuted. To each their own, I suppose. I just hope that even if you do think it is a choice, that wouldn't lead you to discriminate.
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I mean, people surely must know HOW strong exactly sexual attraction is.Saying that it's a choice shows lack of, I don't know, common sense?It's just the way the brain is wired.Whatever the reasons are (I do think it's possible they might be environmental in some cases, like a trauma in childhood while child's psyche is just developing though I may be completely wrong on that, sorry for my ignorance), it's not something a person directly chooses consciously at any point in their life.
I do consider it to be an 'illness', similar way being born a midget can be considered an 'illness'.It's a deviation from the "norm", but you can't change it, so hating is ridiculously retarded.
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On February 28 2011 01:15 BarryWhite wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 01:01 Torte de Lini wrote:On February 28 2011 00:54 BarryWhite wrote:On February 28 2011 00:50 Torte de Lini wrote:
Is that James Earl Jones?
This is highly entertaining, I also didn't know that my views were coinciding with those of Catholics and Christians o_____o
I feel so out of touch!
Won't lie, my eyebrows lifted a bit at these stats O: I'm glad you liked it. I'd definitely check out the movie if I were you. It's sad at times, but it's really good and incredibly informative. Still surprised my views are so aligned by Catholics and Christians. I'm a Catholic and a Jewish person, but I take neither as a form of arguments nor anything else besides moral guidelines when I was growing up. I still cannot help but feel it is a choice. Perhaps one that is irreversible (if that makes any sense), but still... to be born with a sexual orientation just feels illogical. Hm, that's interesting. I would make the argument that it's illogical to think sexual orientation is a choice. It's hard to argue that so many people would choose to be persecuted. To each their own, I suppose. I just hope that even if you do think it is a choice, that wouldn't lead you to discriminate.
So much better! Here's a blue ribbon! omgyay!
On February 28 2011 01:16 MidKnight wrote:
I mean, people surely must know HOW strong exactly sexual attraction is.Saying that it's a choice shows lack of, I don't know, common sense?It's just the way the brain is wired.Whatever the reasons are (I do think it's possible they might be environmental in some cases, like a trauma in childhood while child's psyche is just developing though I may be completely wrong on that, sorry for my ignorance), it's not something a person directly chooses consciously at any point in their life.
I do consider it to be an 'illness', similar way being born a midget can be considered an 'illness'.It's a deviation from the "norm", but you can't change it, so hating is ridiculously retarded.
No one said the choice was entirely free-willed and made on your own. I said it myself that society and other effects, including biological, could sway one's view or influence them to be homosexual after understanding more and more about sexuality, hormones and themselves.
Deviations are not illnesses. They are deviations of the conventional views of society set by cultural, religious and law standards.
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On February 28 2011 01:16 MidKnight wrote:
I mean, people surely must know HOW strong exactly sexual attraction is.Saying that it's a choice shows lack of, I don't know, common sense?It's just the way the brain is wired.Whatever the reasons are (I do think it's possible they might be environmental in some cases, like a trauma in childhood while child's psyche is just developing though I may be completely wrong on that, sorry for my ignorance), it's not something a person directly chooses consciously at any point in their life.
I do consider it to be an 'illness', similar way being born a midget can be considered an 'illness'.It's a deviation from the "norm", but you can't change it, so hating is ridiculously retarded.
To work on my language skills ...
I strongly believe that it is not an illness. This idea is as big of a myth to me as this so called norm you are talking about. In my head, you might be slightly wrong.
I think the most reasonable theory might be that our influences whilst amongst the living engrave us to the point where our sexuality emerges (dance of the hormones in our body, when they begin to strike us e.t.c.) - our social relations and everything we experience.
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As a gay Starcraft II player, i want to point out 2 things about this thread;
First, you must keep in mind that homosexuality is only a (small) part of our personality, and there are as many different gay people as there are people. e.g., I think that the fact that i'm quite a "geek" has way more impact on my life than my sexuality.
So, as interesting Mora post might be, they don't represent the "gay".
For example, I strongly disagree with his view on gay "hypersexuality". It's probably a part of the gay community, but most gay I know are looking for long-term relationship and i have friends who are in 5+ years not open relationship.
I don't share his opinion on flamboyent gay neither. I don't think they were born this way, in my mind, it's the result of cultural stereotype and this type of comportement will vanish as gay are more accepted (This is already the case). Whatsoever, they absolutely have the right to be as flamboyant as they want, and i don't understand people who criticize them. WTF dit they do to you ?
It leads me to my second point. They are a lot of people that you meet every day who are probably gay but for whom you will never know. I've a lot of friend and i'm myself not flamboyant at all (Nobody never guess i'm gay before i come out by myself) who don't go in gay club/bar, don't talk alot about their sexuality, etc...
But as people will never know for all this guys, they will only remember the flamboyant one they meet once a year or they saw on TV, thinking it's what most gay looks like...
Some random answers to questions i saw in this thread (once again, it's my opinion and not the "Gay opinion")
1. I've discovered my homosexuality around 14 (Puberty...), i absolutely haven't any clue before.
At first, I rejected it, and tried to convince myself it was only a physical attirance and that i would fall in love with a girl later. I accepted it around 16 when i developped strong feelings for a guy...
2. There are alot of gay gamer, 3 of my 4 ex-BF were (Loved playing WoW with them xD btw i'm still playing SC2 with one of them)
3. "Gay" and "Faggots" BM don't bother me at all. In fact, when people know about my sexuality, it bother them more than me when they accidentaly call someone "Gay" in front of me :p
4. I'm playing Protoss !
5. On the topic of cute progamer, I found Idra nice at the last GSL without his glasses.
RotterdaM is quite cute too ^^
PS : Sorry for the bad english :s
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On February 28 2011 00:39 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 00:33 DamnCats wrote:
^^ I sure as fuck didn't choose to get a boner the first time I saw some fine ass women in a Playboy mag, sir. I don't see how the opposite would be any different. Despite that being playfully silly, it's not making sense. When I mean choice, I mean the idea that society shapes or directs you into preferences, much like how religion and moral values set by your parents, often have a role in your sub-conscious decision making. When I think "Born as a gay", I think of it as equal to being born African-American or Hispanic. When I mean "Chose to be gay", I think of it as equal to choosing a religion and depicting your strength of it. Of course, I believe in the Kinsey Scale which nearly absolves the terms or labels of homosexuals, heterosexuals and bisexuals and relies more on degrees of preference which would make more sense of my views: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/52/Kinsey_Scale.gif/800px-Kinsey_Scale.gif) Thankfully, the Kinsey Scale accounts for asexuality, which emphasizes even more why I think sexual preference is a preference and not a born trait.
Excuse me.
Could you please explain to me exactly what you think a 'preference' is, if not a born trait?
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On February 28 2011 02:07 lucasgir wrote:
As a gay Starcraft II player, i want to point out 2 things about this thread;
First, you must keep in mind that homosexuality is only a (small) part of our personality, and there are as many different gay people as there are people. e.g., I think that the fact that i'm quite a "geek" has way more impact on my life than my sexuality.
So, as interesting Mora post might be, they don't represent the "gay".
For example, I strongly disagree with his view on gay "hypersexuality". It's probably a part of the gay community, but most gay I know are looking for long-term relationship and i have friends who are in 5+ years not open relationship.
I don't share his opinion on flamboyent gay neither. I don't think they were born this way, in my mind, it's the result of cultural stereotype and this type of comportement will vanish as gay are more accepted (This is already the case). Whatsoever, they absolutely have the right to be as flamboyant as they want, and i don't understand people who criticize them. WTF dit they do to you ?
It leads me to my second point. They are a lot of people that you meet every day who are probably gay but for whom you will never know. I've a lot of friend and i'm myself not flamboyant at all (Nobody never guess i'm gay before i come out by myself) who don't go in gay club/bar, don't talk alot about their sexuality, etc...
But as people will never know for all this guys, they will only remember the flamboyant one they meet once a year or they saw on TV, thinking it's what most gay looks like...
Some random answers to questions i saw in this thread (once again, it's my opinion and not the "Gay opinion")
1. I've discovered my homosexuality around 14 (Puberty...), i absolutely haven't any clue before.
At first, I rejected it, and tried to convince myself it was only a physical attirance and that i would fall in love with a girl later. I accepted it around 16 when i developped strong feelings for a guy...
2. There are alot of gay gamer, 3 of my 4 ex-BF were (Loved playing WoW with them xD btw i'm still playing SC2 with one of them)
3. "Gay" and "Faggots" BM don't bother me at all. In fact, when people know about my sexuality, it bother them more than me when they accidentaly call someone "Gay" in front of me :p
4. I'm playing Protoss !
5. On the topic of cute progamer, I found Idra handsome at the last GSL without his glasses.
RotterdaM is quite cute too ^^
PS : Sorry for the bad english :s
With this comment I'm just expressing my opinions and I hope I dont receive shit for it..
I'm not against gay people in fact I have a few friends of my own who are gay. But one I thing that I think isn't okay is when gay people talk about straight men and whether they think they're good looking or not. I personally wouldn't be offended by this, but I think a lot of the straight men in the world who might not be fully comfortable with gay people would be really offended or creeped out. I would like to know what the gay people reading my comment think of that, whether they think it's okay, or not okay, or simply dont care about how the guys react to what they're saying.
Like I said, I hope I dont get shit for saying this but it's something I noticed and thought it was somewhat inappropriate
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i think its more related to the phylogenesis with the bonobo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo#Sexual_social_behavior
" Sexual intercourse plays a major role in Bonobo society observed in captivity, being used as what some scientists perceive as a greeting, a means of conflict resolution, and post-conflict reconciliation. Bonobos are the only non-human animal to have been observed engaging in all of the following sexual activities: face-to-face genital sex, tongue kissing, and oral sex[34] (although a pair of Western Gorillas have been photographed performing face to face genital sex[35]). In scientific literature, the female-female behavior of touching genitals together is often referred to as GG rubbing or genital-genital rubbing. The sexual activity happens within the immediate family as well as outside it. Bonobos do not form permanent relationships with individual partners. They also do not seem to discriminate in their sexual behavior by sex or age, with the possible exception of abstaining from sexual intercourse between mothers and their adult sons; some observers believe these pairings are taboo. When Bonobos come upon a new food source or feeding ground, the increased excitement will usually lead to communal sexual activity, presumably decreasing tension and encouraging peaceful feeding.[36]
Bonobo males occasionally engage in various forms of male-male genital behavior.[37][38] In one form, two males hang from a tree limb face-to-face while "penis fencing".[39][40] This also may occur when two males rub their penises together while in face-to-face position. Another form of genital interaction, called "rump rubbing", occurs to express reconciliation between two males after a conflict, when they stand back-to-back and rub their scrotal sacs together. Takayoshi Kano observed similar practices among Bonobos in the natural habitat.
Bonobo females also engage in female-female genital behavior, possibly to bond socially with each other, thus forming a female nucleus of Bonobo society. The bonding among females enables them to dominate Bonobo society. Although male Bonobos are individually stronger, they cannot stand alone against a united group of females.[40] Adolescent females often leave their native community to join another community. Sexual bonding with other females establishes these new females as members of the group. This migration mixes the Bonobo gene pools, providing genetic diversity.
Bonobo reproductive rates are not any higher than that of the Common Chimpanzee. Female Bonobos carry and nurse their young for five years and can give birth every five to six years. Compared to Common Chimpanzees, Bonobo females resume the genital swelling cycle much sooner after giving birth, enabling them to rejoin the sexual activities of their society. Also, Bonobo females who are sterile or too young to reproduce still engage in sexual activity. "
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On February 28 2011 04:03 AzaleasFighter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 02:07 lucasgir wrote:
As a gay Starcraft II player, i want to point out 2 things about this thread;
First, you must keep in mind that homosexuality is only a (small) part of our personality, and there are as many different gay people as there are people. e.g., I think that the fact that i'm quite a "geek" has way more impact on my life than my sexuality.
So, as interesting Mora post might be, they don't represent the "gay".
For example, I strongly disagree with his view on gay "hypersexuality". It's probably a part of the gay community, but most gay I know are looking for long-term relationship and i have friends who are in 5+ years not open relationship.
I don't share his opinion on flamboyent gay neither. I don't think they were born this way, in my mind, it's the result of cultural stereotype and this type of comportement will vanish as gay are more accepted (This is already the case). Whatsoever, they absolutely have the right to be as flamboyant as they want, and i don't understand people who criticize them. WTF dit they do to you ?
It leads me to my second point. They are a lot of people that you meet every day who are probably gay but for whom you will never know. I've a lot of friend and i'm myself not flamboyant at all (Nobody never guess i'm gay before i come out by myself) who don't go in gay club/bar, don't talk alot about their sexuality, etc...
But as people will never know for all this guys, they will only remember the flamboyant one they meet once a year or they saw on TV, thinking it's what most gay looks like...
Some random answers to questions i saw in this thread (once again, it's my opinion and not the "Gay opinion")
1. I've discovered my homosexuality around 14 (Puberty...), i absolutely haven't any clue before.
At first, I rejected it, and tried to convince myself it was only a physical attirance and that i would fall in love with a girl later. I accepted it around 16 when i developped strong feelings for a guy...
2. There are alot of gay gamer, 3 of my 4 ex-BF were (Loved playing WoW with them xD btw i'm still playing SC2 with one of them)
3. "Gay" and "Faggots" BM don't bother me at all. In fact, when people know about my sexuality, it bother them more than me when they accidentaly call someone "Gay" in front of me :p
4. I'm playing Protoss !
5. On the topic of cute progamer, I found Idra handsome at the last GSL without his glasses.
RotterdaM is quite cute too ^^
PS : Sorry for the bad english :s With this comment I'm just expressing my opinions and I hope I dont receive shit for it.. I'm not against gay people in fact I have a few friends of my own who are gay. But one I thing that I think isn't okay is when gay people talk about straight men and whether they think they're good looking or not. I personally wouldn't be offended by this, but I think a lot of the straight men in the world who might not be fully comfortable with gay people would be really offended or creeped out. I would like to know what the gay people reading my comment think of that, whether they think it's okay, or not okay, or simply dont care about how the guys react to what they're saying. Like I said, I hope I dont get shit for saying this but it's something I noticed and thought it was somewhat inappropriate
Why should they care? What do they think, that gay men are suddenly just going to start humping them? I don't see straight men worrying about how women feel when they talk about how hot they are. Now, of course, unwanted sexual advances are always inappropriate gay or straight, but that's not what you're talking about.
Trust me, straight men who are worried about this think they are way more attractive than they actually are.
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On February 28 2011 00:41 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 00:39 BarryWhite wrote:On February 28 2011 00:28 Torte de Lini wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks being born gay is not possible?
I always understood that one's sexual orientation or preference was that of a choice of the unconscious or the conscious and not one made when you are born and the ideas and views of sexuality are not prominent whatsoever.
Am I alone thinking this? All scientific evidence points against this theory. No specific gene has yet been discovered, but all the evidence suggests it is how you are born. And I think most people realize that's definitely the case. Where can I see this scientific rationality?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation
As far as psychologists and researches are concerned right now, homosexuality is not a chosen personal preference nor is there any correlative evidence to that statement.
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why should i choose to be part of a discriminated group? some guys kill themselves, do you really think they have chosen this path because they needed a reason to do it?
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On February 28 2011 02:07 lucasgir wrote:
4. I'm playing Protoss !
Please change your icon! Protoss represent! :D
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On February 28 2011 06:48 Bortlett wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 04:03 AzaleasFighter wrote:On February 28 2011 02:07 lucasgir wrote:
As a gay Starcraft II player, i want to point out 2 things about this thread;
First, you must keep in mind that homosexuality is only a (small) part of our personality, and there are as many different gay people as there are people. e.g., I think that the fact that i'm quite a "geek" has way more impact on my life than my sexuality.
So, as interesting Mora post might be, they don't represent the "gay".
For example, I strongly disagree with his view on gay "hypersexuality". It's probably a part of the gay community, but most gay I know are looking for long-term relationship and i have friends who are in 5+ years not open relationship.
I don't share his opinion on flamboyent gay neither. I don't think they were born this way, in my mind, it's the result of cultural stereotype and this type of comportement will vanish as gay are more accepted (This is already the case). Whatsoever, they absolutely have the right to be as flamboyant as they want, and i don't understand people who criticize them. WTF dit they do to you ?
It leads me to my second point. They are a lot of people that you meet every day who are probably gay but for whom you will never know. I've a lot of friend and i'm myself not flamboyant at all (Nobody never guess i'm gay before i come out by myself) who don't go in gay club/bar, don't talk alot about their sexuality, etc...
But as people will never know for all this guys, they will only remember the flamboyant one they meet once a year or they saw on TV, thinking it's what most gay looks like...
Some random answers to questions i saw in this thread (once again, it's my opinion and not the "Gay opinion")
1. I've discovered my homosexuality around 14 (Puberty...), i absolutely haven't any clue before.
At first, I rejected it, and tried to convince myself it was only a physical attirance and that i would fall in love with a girl later. I accepted it around 16 when i developped strong feelings for a guy...
2. There are alot of gay gamer, 3 of my 4 ex-BF were (Loved playing WoW with them xD btw i'm still playing SC2 with one of them)
3. "Gay" and "Faggots" BM don't bother me at all. In fact, when people know about my sexuality, it bother them more than me when they accidentaly call someone "Gay" in front of me :p
4. I'm playing Protoss !
5. On the topic of cute progamer, I found Idra handsome at the last GSL without his glasses.
RotterdaM is quite cute too ^^
PS : Sorry for the bad english :s With this comment I'm just expressing my opinions and I hope I dont receive shit for it.. I'm not against gay people in fact I have a few friends of my own who are gay. But one I thing that I think isn't okay is when gay people talk about straight men and whether they think they're good looking or not. I personally wouldn't be offended by this, but I think a lot of the straight men in the world who might not be fully comfortable with gay people would be really offended or creeped out. I would like to know what the gay people reading my comment think of that, whether they think it's okay, or not okay, or simply dont care about how the guys react to what they're saying. Like I said, I hope I dont get shit for saying this but it's something I noticed and thought it was somewhat inappropriate Why should they care? What do they think, that gay men are suddenly just going to start humping them? I don't see straight men worrying about how women feel when they talk about how hot they are. Now, of course, unwanted sexual advances are always inappropriate gay or straight, but that's not what you're talking about. Trust me, straight men who are worried about this think they are way more attractive than they actually are.
This... You see a hot chick walk by and you stare at her ass... how is that any different than what gay men do?
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On August 27 2010 21:38 Mora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2010 21:15 Kennigit wrote:
Why do some gay guys talk with a lisp and have feminine mannerisms? Is this put on or natural? What a great question. Super fucking hard to answer. There's 2 parts. At first, when you're young, you have no control over these mannerisms. I don't know where we get them from, but many of us have them from a very very young age. I myself was very feminine when i was pre-12 years old. My nickname in elementary school was "girly-boy". (which, while mean, didn't offend me all that much because at the time i considered women to be superior to men. GOD i was gay. lol) Once i got about 10 years old i realized what 'gay' was and realized that i was acting pretty fucking gay, and started to develop a complex about it. I went from being a loud/out-going awesome kid to a depressing one pretty quickly. By the age of 13 i was riddled with many depression and anxiety disorders. I dropped out of highschool at the age of 14 cause of all those issues. I would sometimes hear what would come out of my mouth, and i would close my eyes and wish i ceased to exist because of how embarrassed i was. The stupid part is by the time i dropped out of highschool, i had learned to drop most of the mannerisms (but not all). I wasn't that flamboyant. Other kids aren't so lucky. They have no control no matter how much they try to hide it. They're doomed to relentless teasing and prejudice, much worse than any other kinds i've seen in school. One of the flamers at my school was attacked by some guys in the locker room who thought he was checking them out. They didn't beat hm up to bad but they all pissed on him in the showers. pretty sad. So yeah, those gays learn to get really tough. In fact, i was thinking about this the other day, and those kinds of gays are probably some of the toughest people i've ever met. They've never been able to hide behind their masculinity like i have, they've had to live every day of their life out in the open. After so much torture, you only have 2 ways you can cope. You can either kill yourself (too many of them still take this route), or you can fiercely and unapologetically be your fantastic flaming faggot self. This is the second part. Once gays realize that they can't control it, they will often embrace it and that's when they 'play it up' (though that's such an aweful way to put it). This is the threshold between being gay and being fabulous. Since getting to know many fabulous people, i'm no longer bothered by it in the slightest. Infact, these kinds of people are hilarious, good, amazingly strong individuals. I'm not attracted to them in the slightest, but they definitely don't annoy me like they certainly used to.
Sorry I know this is a really old post, but that actually makes me look at it a different way, thanks.
I'm surprised by that homophobia though. Where I am from in the south of England there was some at school I suppose, but I wouldn't put it as much worse (in intention at least) than the bullying everyone gets (like I did occasionally for having black eyebrows and blonde hair). It was only picked up as the thing that made that person different.
How much homophobia left in NA is tied to religion?
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Husky is pretty gay
User was temp banned for this post.
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On February 28 2011 00:28 Torte de Lini wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks being born gay is not possible?
I always understood that one's sexual orientation or preference was that of a choice of the unconscious or the conscious and not one made when you are born and the ideas and views of sexuality are not prominent whatsoever.
Am I alone thinking this?
Not at all, sexuality is something aquired, adaptive and changing.
There may be people born with a greater tendancy to adpot a gay or bi sexuality due to hormone or other genetic influences that i cant think of but probably exist.
I mean the idea we are born with an established sexuality is ludicrous if you take the time to think about it. Are people born attracted to lipstick, lingerie, accents, personality traits, feet, shoes, asses, legs, hair, eyes, skin tone, texture, uniforms, different situations, concepts of power play, control, superiority and subserviance and i could continue listing arbitrary things which are, can be, have been, and might be associated with sexuality until we end up at "lead pencils".
The idea that one is "more natural" than the other is similarly laughable when you think of the varied aspects of heterosexual, homosexual or hell even asexual relationships, desires or wants.
The true underlying trouble is that we are all egocentric. People with different desires, beliefs, opinions or likes will confuse us, worry us. "Im fine with X as long as long as they keep it to themselves". These type of responses clearly show this reaction. The pressumtion that there is a "normal" way, and were fine with the "abnormal" as long as it doesnt intrude on our happy and quaint life of normality.
This may come as a shock to some.
There is no normal. What you consider to be normal, sexually, socially or whatever "ly" you may with to choose is no more ACTUAL than whatever someone else may wish to consider.
We are strange curious beings dwelling in a mysterious confusing expanse of the unknowable, and mayb we would all get on a little bit better if every so often we thought to ourselves "hmm maybe our differences are actually the most wonderous thing about us  "
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I dated a few guys in high school.. and I fooled around with boys (oral) when I was about 12. I find it funny since a lot of the gay guys I know didn't even know they were gay at that point... And I'm not gay.
I'm straight. But I don't like to think of it as a hard line, only that I haven't met Mr. Right yet.  It's easier being straight, I suppose, so I never bothered to explore it too far. Girls always felt more commanding of my emotions, though I still find myself attracted to some men. I often debate switching teams, as the cultural standard for women is drastically different from the things I like... I don't have much patience for "girly" behaviour.
I find it almost disturbing all of the "ask the gay guy" questions in this thread, as if the OP is the first time these people have ever been exposed to homosexuality. Everyone is standing around gawking, confused... Have you been living under a rock?
Regarding flamboyant behaviour: I know many homos (my lesbian neighbours in particular) who are strictly annoyed with the flamers. However, I don't think this should come as any surprise. Just like many of us nerdly types can't stand the "bros" of our sexual preference. There will be different sorts of every gender, and you don't need to like them. Bros are no more representative of being a straight male than flamers are of homosexuality, though they may be the most common.
Regarding the matter of "choosing" your sexuality: I often like to characterize this issue by asking a silly, but strangely relevant question: "When was the first moment you decided you liked hot wings?". Nobody has an answer, nobody remembers "choosing" to like hot wings. Surely the taste of meat and salt are somewhat genetically programmed, but to say that you were "born" with a taste for hot wings sounds silly. Very much the same, homosexuality isn't chosen, isn't learned, isn't born... Some things just happen.
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On February 28 2011 08:25 XeliN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 00:28 Torte de Lini wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks being born gay is not possible?
I always understood that one's sexual orientation or preference was that of a choice of the unconscious or the conscious and not one made when you are born and the ideas and views of sexuality are not prominent whatsoever.
Am I alone thinking this? Not at all, sexuality is something aquired, adaptive and changing. There may be people born with a greater tendancy to adpot a gay or bi sexuality due to hormone or other genetic influences that i cant think of but probably exist. I mean the idea we are born with an established sexuality is ludicrous if you take the time to think about it. Are people born attracted to lipstick, lingerie, accents, personality traits, feet, shoes, asses, legs, hair, eyes, skin tone, texture, uniforms, different situations, concepts of power play, control, superiority and subserviance and i could continue listing arbitrary things which are, can be, have been, and might be associated with sexuality until we end up at "lead pencils". The idea that one is "more natural" than the other is similarly laughable when you think of the varied aspects of heterosexual, homosexual or hell even asexual relationships, desires or wants. The true underlying trouble is that we are all egocentric. People with different desires, beliefs, opinions or likes will confuse us, worry us. "Im fine with X as long as long as they keep it to themselves". These type of responses clearly show this reaction. The pressumtion that there is a "normal" way, and were fine with the "abnormal" as long as it doesnt intrude on our happy and quaint life of normality. This may come as a shock to some. There is no normal. What you consider to be normal, sexually, socially or whatever "ly" you may with to choose is no more ACTUAL than whatever someone else may wish to consider. We are strange curious beings dwelling in a mysterious confusing expanse of the unknowable, and mayb we would all get on a little bit better if every so often we thought to ourselves "hmm maybe our differences are actually the most wonderous thing about us "
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On February 28 2011 08:25 XeliN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 00:28 Torte de Lini wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks being born gay is not possible?
I always understood that one's sexual orientation or preference was that of a choice of the unconscious or the conscious and not one made when you are born and the ideas and views of sexuality are not prominent whatsoever.
Am I alone thinking this? Not at all, sexuality is something aquired, adaptive and changing. There may be people born with a greater tendancy to adpot a gay or bi sexuality due to hormone or other genetic influences that i cant think of but probably exist. I mean the idea we are born with an established sexuality is ludicrous if you take the time to think about it. Are people born attracted to lipstick, lingerie, accents, personality traits, feet, shoes, asses, legs, hair, eyes, skin tone, texture, uniforms, different situations, concepts of power play, control, superiority and subserviance and i could continue listing arbitrary things which are, can be, have been, and might be associated with sexuality until we end up at "lead pencils". The idea that one is "more natural" than the other is similarly laughable when you think of the varied aspects of heterosexual, homosexual or hell even asexual relationships, desires or wants. The true underlying trouble is that we are all egocentric. People with different desires, beliefs, opinions or likes will confuse us, worry us. "Im fine with X as long as long as they keep it to themselves". These type of responses clearly show this reaction. The pressumtion that there is a "normal" way, and were fine with the "abnormal" as long as it doesnt intrude on our happy and quaint life of normality. This may come as a shock to some. There is no normal. What you consider to be normal, sexually, socially or whatever "ly" you may with to choose is no more ACTUAL than whatever someone else may wish to consider. We are strange curious beings dwelling in a mysterious confusing expanse of the unknowable, and mayb we would all get on a little bit better if every so often we thought to ourselves "hmm maybe our differences are actually the most wonderous thing about us "
From what I'm aware the foot fetish is actually something you are born with, and it's argued it's one of those "brain is wired differently." A lot of fetishes are argued to be that. At the same time, I don't understand how it could be cultural when someone ends up being gay when born into a Christian environment, where homosexuality is only condemned and otherwise not talked about.
Personally, I think it's laughable that you can assume assuredly that you aren't born with a sexuality. If you can be born with "the wrong gender," why is sexuality any different? I'm not saying it IS that way, nor do I believe that, it just seems you sound so confident and assured in your answer.
I remember liking girls as long as I can remember, as young as 4 years old I was always thinking about girls. And not just "thinking about" randomly, but sexual thoughts, by 5 I had already fingered two girls and made out with another, I was obsessed with them. Unfortunately I got more action between ages 1-10 than I did between 11-16.
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