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teamliquid.net is on TV!!! woohooo!
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On November 04 2010 23:07 thexile wrote: @ Red Morning
Yeh great job for advertising to the world who you are.
what the hell was this supposed to mean?
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too bad tossgirl doesn't play sc2?
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On November 04 2010 03:05 epik151 wrote: I believe it would be more effective if a girl just played in the regular tournaments and dealt with the "omg it's a girl" stuff and just competed and didn't make a big deal out of it. Holding girls only events just seems like an attention-seeking stunt rather than an honest attempt at fostering a girls-only community. Why would you do that anyway? There is a community let's not start splitting it by not letting others participate in your events as well. There are girls who are playing in the normal events and I don't think they'd have very kind words for this sort of thing either.
Please learn to read.
On October 30 2010 15:47 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Stay away from this topic if you disagree with the tournament, you're ruining a nice initiative.
Females are looking for a place where they can play together, just like there are tournaments for Dutch, Germans, Swedes and whatnot that others can't join. It's not necessarily about not being good enough to join international tournaments but moreso about building a community and events around a certain type of people, in this case females.
@ Red Morning
On November 04 2010 20:00 Red Morning wrote: I like this a lot...
Except for the part where you notice the bad behaviour of half of the gaming community. Saying that some females who are intersex or transgender =/= female is the most stupid thing I ever heard, when some intersex conditions prove that gender is in the mind. Me, myself I'm an intersex indivual (stupidly known as hermaphrodite), I have PAIS (I'm not going to explain anything, you can google it). I'm treated like garbage because of that, people don't understand that having an intersex condition or being transgender is part of the human nature. I feel so bad when people made a mockery of me, this is the reason I prefer not getting into communities.
But, I just hope this kind of stuff can help the SC2 community to grow more (even if I'm not part of it), it would be a nice feeling to know that there's more SC2 players out there.
I feel badly for you. I know of PAIS.
That said, I think if you PM'd the ESL administrators, they would likely allow a transgender person to enter. If they didn't, it would be completely against the point of the tournament. If you choose (or are forced) to live out your life as a female, you should be able to be part of the female community.
I think they were just being cutesy with their wording and I'd be pretty furious if they didn't allow you to join.
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Mexico14 Posts
On November 05 2010 01:18 dcemuser wrote: I feel badly for you. I know of PAIS.
That said, I think if you PM'd the ESL administrators, they would likely allow a transgender person to enter. If they didn't, it would be completely against the point of the tournament. If you choose (or are forced) to live out your life as a female, you should be able to be part of the female community.
I think they were just being cutesy with their wording and I'd be pretty furious if they didn't allow you to join. My first post was just a response for all those who refer to people with an intersex condition or that is transgender, in such a derogative way. Probably it doesn't mean anything, but my opinion is out there.
I do not know what are the exact rules right now for the tournament, except for that voice rule, which isn't a problem, except for the fact that I'm in the US server and that I don't have a mic. I don't know if they have anti-regulations against people who are intersex or that are transgender... I think I prefer not to know about it.
Anyway, good luck with the tournament.
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Someone needs to explain to Dzejna how spawn positions on Shakuras Plateau works
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Lawl.
A topic like this would be more popular than truckload of food for starving ppl..
Nerds see females game.. OMGOOOSE :D
But really, I don't see either. Why females should have attention for their own tournament. It's discrimination actually. Just like gays, who constantly seek attention on to how NORMAL theyall are... yea well, if you're so friggin normal, why'd you need this attention to yourself?
Likewise, females should play with the best of the best in normal tourneys.
I'm not saying i dont like this idea, it just seems its mainly another attempt for males to oggle females doing stuff, pretending not to have a huge hard-on in the meantime...
oh us humans
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Does anyone know if/what the prizes for this tournaments were?
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I signed up simply because I was fed up with all the 'User was warned for this post" "User was temporarily banned for this post" on posts that asked questions I was genuinely curious about. "Why do girls not compete in major tournaments with male players?" It's a simple question. Instead of moderators warning users and other users just saying things like "What's wrong with an all girls tournament", can't anyone just answer their questions? You guys are all interpreting wrong... There's nothing wrong with all girl tournaments. I personally think all girl tournaments are great, but that doesn't mean we can't be curious why girls don't ALSO participate in mainstream tournaments. Can anyone shed some light?
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There's no one reason. A few women do sometimes enter (although so far, there's only been a handful at most in sc2, I think). And some of the reasons that explain it for men also probably explain it for women: some women (like some men) probably just aren't that interested in competition, and some women (like some men) probably think they're not good enough. But of course, women in gaming communities have very different experiences than men, and it's possible that some of those experiences also make some women less interested in entering tournaments.
There are lots of more general issues, but this thread almost certainly isn't the place for them. The best way to get started would probably be to just take a women's studies course are for (or find some books that are assigned in women's studies courses and read them, if you're not currently a student or don't want to go take a course or whatever.)
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On November 07 2010 00:00 Szei wrote: I signed up simply because I was fed up with all the 'User was warned for this post" "User was temporarily banned for this post" on posts that asked questions I was genuinely curious about. "Why do girls not compete in major tournaments with male players?" It's a simple question. Instead of moderators warning users and other users just saying things like "What's wrong with an all girls tournament", can't anyone just answer their questions? You guys are all interpreting wrong... There's nothing wrong with all girl tournaments. I personally think all girl tournaments are great, but that doesn't mean we can't be curious why girls don't ALSO participate in mainstream tournaments. Can anyone shed some light?
Presumably there isn't any female player good enough to compete in the top tournaments, in great part due to the social stigma attached to just being a female gamer, much less a hardcore competitive one.
If and when there is a female good enough to compete at the highest level they'll naturally be in the regular tournaments.
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It's true for many competitive activities that the minority groups will not compete in mainstream events. I don't understand why people are just concluding that these tournaments are discriminatory or can only imply that all girls suck at gaming. They heighten visibility for women playing SC2 and make them feel like less of a minority (and it can be intimidating when one is a minority in an involved and active community).
It sets a relatable role model for the women who are not competitive yet but want to be. Unlike many isolated nerds who don't seem to understand why girls appreciate other girls playing video games, many groups of people enjoy similar-minded companionship and solidarity. With a larger pool of female gamers to draw from will come a larger group of competitive and pro female gamers. And what better way to make SC2 accessible to female gamers than hosting female tournaments? I find it refreshing and kind of exciting to watch female tournaments.
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Sorry to go offtopic here, but when reading through the topic I see several people being banned for on-topic opinions, sometimes not even opinions but merely questions.. It makes me wonder why they are actually being banned, as I see no rule telling you not to disagree with the OP.
Not saying I agree with the banned people, just wondering what the reasoning was.
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On November 10 2010 04:56 Marksel wrote: Sorry to go offtopic here, but when reading through the topic I see several people being banned for on-topic opinions, sometimes not even opinions but merely questions.. It makes me wonder why they are actually being banned, as I see no rule telling you not to disagree with the OP.
Not saying I agree with the banned people, just wondering what the reasoning was. So which bans do you think were unwarrated?
And about the rule: What is the topic here? There is a tournament for female gamers being held. What is not the topic here? We are not discussing "If it is right to hold female only tournaments"? If you post about the 2nd, when we have said time and time again that this is not the place to discuss it, you get banned.
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Wheres shiver when you need her, oh wait playing LoL
haemonculussssss, IF YOU READ THIS PRACTICE SC2!!!! lol <3
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On November 10 2010 05:05 Aesop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 04:56 Marksel wrote: Sorry to go offtopic here, but when reading through the topic I see several people being banned for on-topic opinions, sometimes not even opinions but merely questions.. It makes me wonder why they are actually being banned, as I see no rule telling you not to disagree with the OP.
Not saying I agree with the banned people, just wondering what the reasoning was. So which bans do you think were unwarrated? And about the rule: What is the topic here? There is a tournament for female gamers being held. What is not the topic here? We are not discussing "If it is right to hold female only tournaments"? If you post about the 2nd, when we have said time and time again that this is not the place to discuss it, you get banned.
And which sub forum would be the place to discuss that? If people aren't allowed to express their opinions on the very matter being announced, what are people supposed to say in this thread? How come you didn't ban people who said "It's great to have a female only tournament"?? Those people are also discussing the merits of holding a female only tournament instead of the tournament itself, are they not?
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On November 10 2010 19:00 divertiti wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 05:05 Aesop wrote:On November 10 2010 04:56 Marksel wrote: Sorry to go offtopic here, but when reading through the topic I see several people being banned for on-topic opinions, sometimes not even opinions but merely questions.. It makes me wonder why they are actually being banned, as I see no rule telling you not to disagree with the OP.
Not saying I agree with the banned people, just wondering what the reasoning was. So which bans do you think were unwarrated? And about the rule: What is the topic here? There is a tournament for female gamers being held. What is not the topic here? We are not discussing "If it is right to hold female only tournaments"? If you post about the 2nd, when we have said time and time again that this is not the place to discuss it, you get banned. And which sub forum would be the place to discuss that? If people aren't allowed to express their opinions on the very matter being announced, what are people supposed to say in this thread? How come you didn't ban people who said "It's great to have a female only tournament"?? Those people are also discussing the merits of holding a female only tournament instead of the tournament itself, are they not?
Just my opinion, but it's probably because the group you're referring to isn't sparking an argument and being negative about the reasoning behind the tournament in a thread that was originally to advertise the tournament and get sign ups, being pedantic about technicalities isn't going to get you anywhere. Especially when most of the people you're defending simply say stupid statements like "how do you know they're really girls?" as a joke or "are transvestites and hermaphrodites allowed to sign up", incredibly ignorant. There are tournaments restricting by league, it's just a restriction to make the tournament more fair and entertaining for participants. The discussion for it belongs in SC2 general threads where topics on the subject have been made multiple times.
With that said, I can't wait for the next one. I want to see pikachu play other match ups and longer games if she participates again.
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On November 10 2010 19:26 kidd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 19:00 divertiti wrote:On November 10 2010 05:05 Aesop wrote:On November 10 2010 04:56 Marksel wrote: Sorry to go offtopic here, but when reading through the topic I see several people being banned for on-topic opinions, sometimes not even opinions but merely questions.. It makes me wonder why they are actually being banned, as I see no rule telling you not to disagree with the OP.
Not saying I agree with the banned people, just wondering what the reasoning was. So which bans do you think were unwarrated? And about the rule: What is the topic here? There is a tournament for female gamers being held. What is not the topic here? We are not discussing "If it is right to hold female only tournaments"? If you post about the 2nd, when we have said time and time again that this is not the place to discuss it, you get banned. And which sub forum would be the place to discuss that? If people aren't allowed to express their opinions on the very matter being announced, what are people supposed to say in this thread? How come you didn't ban people who said "It's great to have a female only tournament"?? Those people are also discussing the merits of holding a female only tournament instead of the tournament itself, are they not? Just my opinion, but it's probably because the group you're referring to isn't sparking an argument and being negative about the reasoning behind the tournament in a thread that was originally to advertise the tournament and get sign ups, being pedantic about technicalities isn't going to get you anywhere. Especially when most of the people you're defending simply say stupid statements like "how do you know they're really girls?" as a joke or "are transvestites and hermaphrodites allowed to sign up", incredibly ignorant. There are tournaments restricting by league, it's just a restriction to make the tournament more fair and entertaining for participants. The discussion for it belongs in SC2 general threads where topics on the subject have been made multiple times. With that said, I can't wait for the next one. I want to see pikachu play other match ups and longer games if she participates again.
That is simply untrue. MOST of the people I was talking about simply expressed their opinion about the social implications of holding such a tournament and questioned its necessity and its effect. They're not the same people who said the frivolous statements you listed.
You said this female only restriction makes the tournament "more fair and entertaining for participants". How exactly does having only females makes a tournament more fair and entertaining?
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On November 10 2010 19:33 divertiti wrote: That is simply untrue. MOST of the people I was talking about simply expressed their opinion about the social implications of holding such a tournament and questioned its necessity and its effect. They're not the same people who said the frivolous statements you listed.
You said this female only restriction makes the tournament "more fair and entertaining for participants". How exactly does having only females makes a tournament more fair and entertaining?
Create a TL Blog then and rant about it all you want there (I'm serious, people rant in the TL Blogs all the time). This a tournament thread. You're now questioning social implications in a tournament thread (a tournament which is long since over, btw, there is an ESL Goes Female #3 now...) which is against the rules.
Complaining about tournaments in tournament threads is strictly forbidden, as Nazgul states here:
On October 30 2010 15:47 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Stay away from this topic if you disagree with the tournament, you're ruining a nice initiative.
Females are looking for a place where they can play together, just like there are tournaments for Dutch, Germans, Swedes and whatnot that others can't join. It's not necessarily about not being good enough to join international tournaments but moreso about building a community and events around a certain type of people, in this case females.
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