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On October 28 2010 22:10 Corrik wrote:
It clearly looked like a bitch slap gesture or a swatting of a fly gesture. I wouldn't say it was BM exactly as I don't know if he did it in a way Idra could see it, but I don't see how it was a gesture out of happiness either.
agreed, it was either to Idra directly or to his friends in the audience for some inside joke, good win for Zenio regardless
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On October 28 2010 22:10 kirkybaby wrote:wow. this is lol of the week. rattle people? watch the video again and look at his face. it was body language for "that's right bitch"
Of course hes happy about winning, but swinging your arm like that is a normal gesture when you beat someone.
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On October 28 2010 22:10 oZii wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2010 22:09 Corrupted wrote:On October 28 2010 22:06 oZii wrote:On October 28 2010 22:01 Valikyr wrote:On October 28 2010 21:58 Weavel wrote:
Better player won. It's sad, but true. Better player? No Better ZvZ'er? Yes He deserved his win obviously but I'm confident IdrA's ZvT and ZvP is stronger than Zenio's. Zenio is on to round of 8 farther than idrA better player? yes as of this moment why? because he advanced farther <-- Fact regardless of strategy standard game or what have you he won and thats what matters. People keep forgetting its bo3 which means its more skill than luck. Lol...winning a bo3 or going further in a tournament does not make you a better player, as hard as that may be for you to understand. Zenio may be better, but none of the reasons you listed have anything to do with it. Well give me reasons why he is not a better player?
I'm not saying he is or isn't a better player...I'm saying a single bo3 mirror matchup and going further in a single tournament is a horrible way to determine who's better. Surely you don't think everyone in the final 16 is better than FruitDealer...do you? There is a wealth of information outside his last game and his last tournament to support the fact that he is still one of the best players in the world. This is like people saying the guy who won the WSOP is the best poker player in the world.
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Blizzard really needs to fix match history. IdrA couldn't even practice his first build against human opponents because he didn't want it to get easily countered by looking in the match history. Maybe if he'd been able to practice it he would have avoided some of the mistakes that made him lose game 1.
Still, wp to Zenio. He deserved the wins.
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kyrix is better than fruitdealer because kyrix advanced further.
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On October 28 2010 22:06 LeibSaiLeib wrote:
Boxer himself sayd hes playing sc2 becuae hes not good enuff for sc1.
but hes still legend XD
Umm.. Not to nit-pick but he said he would move because he felt it was the logical step forward! He was officially A-team... And I agree that he wasn't dominating obviously. But there is a certain type of player that can dominate by being creative and solid and that is BoxeR. Ofc he's prob not as good at Jaedong/Flash now that BW has been torn apart to its barest threads in terms of strategy and mechanics, and they are the best at implementing wat is known!
I'm not even goin' to talk about the most successful BW player of all time...
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Anyone happy that Idra lost or i am alone? It was so funny when that orange-haired kor showed his happiness after beating KingOfBm.
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i think it is clear why everytime a player win ( in bw and sc2) they thanked their practice partner countlessly and wholeheartedly. Especially with their fav phrase "i'll buy them a tasty dinner later"
you obviously cannot win a big tournament like GSL or OSL alone ( unless you are Jaedong /Flash maybe)
and ladder obviously does not help. ladder means nothing in Korea. even most ppl here has more ladder points than Cool ( 1600?). People only play ladder to improve mechanics and timing and not to try new strategies. Not being in a full time team is going to put Idra so behind. There is only so much Artosis can help.
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On October 28 2010 22:12 Lowkin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2010 22:09 wrgrbl wrote:
Anyone else notice it's only people with T and P avatars who are saying Idra got outplayed badly?
There's a reason every zerg hates playing zvz and has since beta. It's either a build order coin flip or a baneling micro mess. Curious as to what your rank and points are, Because I play Zerg and Its rarely ever comes down to baneling micro except in late game when you can do baneling drops onto hydras to rape there hydra numbers. Baneling builds are wrecked by Roaches, I crush it over and over again noone uses it anymore in ZvZ cause its awful. You must have not seen the only other ZvZ that was played in this GSL.
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On October 28 2010 22:09 Sqq wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2010 22:03 McDonalds wrote:
His expression of happiness was smiling a lot and clapping for himself. He was swinging his arm because he was miming a bitchslap in Idra's direction. You would have to be a pretty big shut-in to not get that. Your trying to rattle people, and it looks like it kind of worked. Ever heard of fist pumping ? People often swing their arms in celebration, it has nothing to do with bitchslapping or anything. You need to get out more and stop browsing 4chan forums for your references
What the hell are you talking about?
He wasn't pumping his fist. Do you even know what a fistpump looks like? I'm not invested in it because I don't care about either of these players, but you're completely wrong.
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On October 28 2010 22:12 oZii wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2010 22:10 Sniffy wrote:On October 28 2010 22:06 oZii wrote:On October 28 2010 22:01 Valikyr wrote:On October 28 2010 21:58 Weavel wrote:
Better player won. It's sad, but true. Better player? No Better ZvZ'er? Yes He deserved his win obviously but I'm confident IdrA's ZvT and ZvP is stronger than Zenio's. Zenio is on to round of 8 farther than idrA better player? yes as of this moment why? because he advanced farther <-- Fact regardless of strategy standard game or what have you he won and thats what matters. People keep forgetting its bo3 which means its more skill than luck. By that logic, Fruitdealer isn't even one of the best 16 players in the world. One tournament means nothing. let me bold you as of this moment zenio is a better player than idrA i said nothing about previous GSL or on saturday for that matter. When that match was over he is the better player because he won. Ever heard NFL coaches say today they were the better team?
You would not be a good poker player. We can say Zenio is better at ZvZ than IdrA but you can't say he's a better player fullstop. If IdrA is better at ZvP and ZvT but gets crushed in ZvZ he's still better at 2/3 MU and so wouldn't that make him the better player? But we don't know if he's better at ZvP or ZvT, all we know is that IdrA can't ZvZ to save his life. Don't be so results-oriented.
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It's not just lack of good partners for ZvZ, it's that until a few days ago he'd been thinking he was going to have to beat Terrans. Heck, he's probably been spending the majority of his time practicing to beat Terrans since release, since they've been 60% or so of what Zergs play against in tournaments (check some of the top Zergs match history in TLPD). He'd have been stupid to practice to beat Zergs because until the patch there was a great chance a Terran would do the job of knocking them out for him.
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On October 28 2010 22:09 Durp wrote:
I highly doubt anyone IdrA runs into on the korean ladder is a scrub.
Idra had said when he played with cj entus that it was really difficult on a korean pro team to practice in house because he can't communicate strats/ideas with his teamates. Also I believe he joined an NA clan (eg) to try to win the GSL for an american team, opening up more doors for the foreign scene.
You realize that Team Liquid is an English-speaking Team? Maybe not entirely American, but I could see no harm in him practicing with the TL members and oGs. And it doesn't really matter about EG, because the only person I see right now qualifying for GSL (no offense to the others) is incontrol, and I don't know how far he would get.
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On October 28 2010 22:13 DiiShen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2010 22:10 Corrik wrote:
It clearly looked like a bitch slap gesture or a swatting of a fly gesture. I wouldn't say it was BM exactly as I don't know if he did it in a way Idra could see it, but I don't see how it was a gesture out of happiness either. agreed, it was either to Idra directly or to his friends in the audience for some inside joke, good win for Zenio regardless
Yeah I dont see how its BM for an adrenaline filled dude coming off a huge win to celebrate a win with a gesture. Its not like he was laughing in Idra's face. It was clearly something for himself/audience.
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On October 28 2010 22:13 Sqq wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2010 22:10 kirkybaby wrote:wow. this is lol of the week. rattle people? watch the video again and look at his face. it was body language for "that's right bitch" Of course hes happy about winning, but swinging your arm like that is a normal gesture when you beat someone.
Yeah, normal if you think very low of them.
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On October 28 2010 22:13 Kishkumen wrote:
Blizzard really needs to fix match history. IdrA couldn't even practice his first build against human opponents because he didn't want it to get easily countered by looking in the match history. Maybe if he'd been able to practice it he would have avoided some of the mistakes that made him lose game 1.
Still, wp to Zenio. He deserved the wins.
So how exactly didn't Idra know Zenios build then?
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Terran wins GSL2, you herd it here first.
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On October 28 2010 22:13 Corrupted wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2010 22:10 oZii wrote:On October 28 2010 22:09 Corrupted wrote:On October 28 2010 22:06 oZii wrote:On October 28 2010 22:01 Valikyr wrote:On October 28 2010 21:58 Weavel wrote:
Better player won. It's sad, but true. Better player? No Better ZvZ'er? Yes He deserved his win obviously but I'm confident IdrA's ZvT and ZvP is stronger than Zenio's. Zenio is on to round of 8 farther than idrA better player? yes as of this moment why? because he advanced farther <-- Fact regardless of strategy standard game or what have you he won and thats what matters. People keep forgetting its bo3 which means its more skill than luck. Lol...winning a bo3 or going further in a tournament does not make you a better player, as hard as that may be for you to understand. Zenio may be better, but none of the reasons you listed have anything to do with it. Well give me reasons why he is not a better player? I'm not saying he is or isn't a better player...I'm saying a single bo3 mirror matchup and going further in a single tournament is a horrible way to determine who's better. Surely you don't think everyone in the final 16 is better than FruitDealer...do you? There is a wealth of information outside his last game and his last tournament to support the fact that he is still one of the best players in the world. This is like people saying the guy who won the WSOP is the best poker player in the world.
Whats the point of this if better player doesnt win then ?
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On October 28 2010 22:13 Corrupted wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2010 22:10 oZii wrote:On October 28 2010 22:09 Corrupted wrote:On October 28 2010 22:06 oZii wrote:On October 28 2010 22:01 Valikyr wrote:On October 28 2010 21:58 Weavel wrote:
Better player won. It's sad, but true. Better player? No Better ZvZ'er? Yes He deserved his win obviously but I'm confident IdrA's ZvT and ZvP is stronger than Zenio's. Zenio is on to round of 8 farther than idrA better player? yes as of this moment why? because he advanced farther <-- Fact regardless of strategy standard game or what have you he won and thats what matters. People keep forgetting its bo3 which means its more skill than luck. Lol...winning a bo3 or going further in a tournament does not make you a better player, as hard as that may be for you to understand. Zenio may be better, but none of the reasons you listed have anything to do with it. Well give me reasons why he is not a better player? I'm not saying he is or isn't a better player...I'm saying a single bo3 mirror matchup and going further in a single tournament is a horrible way to determine who's better. Surely you don't think everyone in the final 16 is better than FruitDealer...do you? There is a wealth of information outside his last game and his last tournament to support the fact that he is still one of the best players in the world. This is like people saying the guy who won the WSOP is the best poker player in the world.
Agree. Double elimination FTW.
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On October 28 2010 22:14 Surykatek wrote:
Anyone happy that Idra lost or i am alone? It was so funny when that orange-haired kor showed his happiness after beating KingOfBm.
I am, idra is good, but not korea-good ...
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