EPTSC2 Ladder Analysis: Part 2 - Page 15
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Mendelfist
Sweden356 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12224 Posts
On October 09 2010 01:42 Mendelfist wrote: It seems that the battle.net web pages in EU no longer show consumed bonus pool. Instead they show remaining bonus pool exacly as in the game. I think it was a bug that they now have fixed. :-( At the time you posted this, I could still see consumed bonus pool on the NA server. They rolled out a fix and now I can't =( Boo! | ||
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Matrim
United Kingdom16 Posts
Of the other figures I can attach a screenshot of the post promotion and the most recent pre promotion if that would help (again on Monday though). Whenever a line has red text I have a screenshot of the league board sitting in one note at work. The figures are 1171 league points , consumed bonus pool 953 making 218 then post promotion 1026 league points with 73 consumed bonus making 953. As you have noted the EU servers are also showing remaining bonus as opposed to consumed bonus. Since then I have played 5 games winning 4 losing 1 but will be tracking those figures separately to the above. If you need any of those screen shots or more explanation of the figures please say. | ||
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noD
2230 Posts
I'm passing here just to drop a testimonial Excalibur's theory is very consistent yesterday I changed my adsl connection to a new isp, about 30% of my games were battle net drop, so I was on a point with 1500 points, about #100 in my region and didnt get promoted due random battle net drops, apparently they punish drops more than surrenders .... But since I can play without having to worry, it took only about 8 hours and only 14 games (I dont mean it took 8 hours to play 14 games, I gave some breaks =P ) to get me promoted, since I was having bad bad bad battle net drops Started with very weak bronzes and in the last rounds pretty much soon to be promoted silvers to gold and golds ... If it helps W L W W W L W W W L W L WP (win and promoted ... ) | ||
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poc
9 Posts
The Server will try to start new matches every 15 seconds.Evertime it cant match you the max difference in skill allowed for your match will increase -> if your searchtime is below 15s(->matched at first attempt) you will never face an enemy with a mmr thats really far away from yours. If you play against the same player a LOT without getting matched against other players and keep a constant 50% win/loss ratio you will both lose more visible points than you gain -> you eventually drop to 0 points.(might take >100 matches) At the same time your mmr seems to decrease so your points for wins decrease as well and will drop to 0 after about 300 matches in a row vs the same opponent. | ||
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
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Matrim
United Kingdom16 Posts
Mandrake Silver Rank 27 Points 808 Consumed Bonus 348 Hita Silver Rank 14 Points 531 Consumed Bonus 655 Curiously had another game at the weekend that indicated the impact sigma can have against ranking. My opponent was ranked as slightly favoured and at the end of the game his stats were listed as Bronze 48 179 pts 461 bonus (remaining now as opposed to consumed) 6W 6L Now earlier matches had flagged placement matches up as favoured. This guy was not long out of placement but in Bronze yet still flagged as slightly favoured with +14 for winning. This must have been the result of the sigma still showing high uncertainty considering the amount of games played.. | ||
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dejavue
Germany47 Posts
I do have a question though: http://sc2sig.com/profile/eu/782446/1/dejavue If you look at the first chart, which depicts my Rank, Points and the league I am placed in, I am kind of stumped as to how precise this is. First of all: Where do these come from (except for league of course)? How can my rank be at diamond level? I thought it was only my rank within my division? Also, am I correct in assuming that the Points (which are for me also in Platinum according to that graph) represent my MMR? I though this was hidden? Can I in any way relay on that graph to tell me "Hey, I might be promoted some time soon", or is it somewhat detached from my actual skill? Hope someone understands what I mean, I am confused to some extent about all this. | ||
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Ch4rlesM
France7 Posts
Hope your understand what I mean. | ||
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Esjihn
United States164 Posts
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dejavue
Germany47 Posts
On October 11 2010 23:49 Ch4rlesM wrote: I think you misunderstood the graphics. As I see it, each colour correspond to something, that is to say in your case you are : Gold League (blue line), around 1000 pts (green line) and in the higher ranks (red line). Hope your understand what I mean. Aaaah! Now I get it, see I knew I was wrong about something in that graph! :D Because I feel in no way able to match up against diamonds at the moment :D That makes way more sense than I thought about it, thank you very much! | ||
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Ch4rlesM
France7 Posts
Thx for your answer! | ||
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GrazerRinge
999 Posts
This is pure win, it is such a good thread about placement & matchmaking system. | ||
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Phrencys
Canada270 Posts
Not because of its quality, but because I'm currently Platinum rank #1 with about 92-92 score (50% ratio) in 2v2 RT, and I guess my chances to get promoted are quasi null.  Next we need a thread for the RT matchmaking system. Because as it stands now, I feel like battle.net purposedly steps on my face to keep me at 50% by matching me every other game with a silver/bronze caliber player having 2 units at the 7minutes mark. The worst part is that, more often than not, it's like the matchmaking system assumes I'm supposed to carry such players vs a diamond and a platinum player, even putting me "Slightly Favored". So when I lose, I lose a lot of points, and I can only /facepalm when I look at the score screen and then check my teammates and opponents profiles. Why can't the MM system put players of equivalent skill together? It would make for much better games than somehow try to do an average of player skills. | ||
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futachimaru
Indonesia1 Post
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Matrim
United Kingdom16 Posts
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Lightspeed
130 Posts
0- 500 Points: Bronze 500 - 800 Points: Silver 800 - 1100 Points: Gold 1100 - 1400 Points: Platinum 1400 + Points: Diamond These might of course be arbitrarily scaled on Blizzards side. but I doubt they would go such great lenghts to obfuscate their stuff Edit: I see this has been brought up and discussed before, ignore as you see fit | ||
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Matrim
United Kingdom16 Posts
I am probably mis-understanding but in my case my 'adjusted' rating was around 200 when I was promoted to Silver and was at 1016 (league adjusted after promoted but at 270 by carrying on tracking the bronze figure) when I started matching against Golds. If you look at my screen shots on page 14 you can see the figures as they moved.. | ||
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ashaman771
Canada114 Posts
Again, great OP, but I suspect it's from someone green in university. | ||
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Mendelfist
Sweden356 Posts
On October 15 2010 18:25 Matrim wrote: Difficult to tell now that the utilised bonus pool has been 'corrected' to show bonus pool remaining and not bonus pool utilised. When I post this total available bonus points are exactly 1120 (for EU, I don't know if other regions are in sync with this). Those interested can keep track of it either by looking at how your own bonus pool increases and add it to this number, or by just counting hours from this moment (1 point per 2 hours). Utilised bonus pool is then of course total available bonus pool minus remaining bonus pool. As far as I know this works even after promotions/demotions. Correct me if I'm wrong. | ||
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