On August 23 2010 08:07 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Whatever Bill. Go do what you do best.
Had fun.
Whatever Bill. Go do what you do best.
Had fun.
Any bets that OpZ or Bill are going to draft Day Vig and kill someone day1?
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On August 23 2010 08:07 ~OpZ~ wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2010 07:46 Bill Murray wrote: On August 23 2010 07:08 ~OpZ~ wrote: On August 23 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote: On August 22 2010 20:26 ~OpZ~ wrote: On August 22 2010 16:49 Bill Murray wrote: Well, I'm not mafia, so if anyone picked [6] with me I'm pushing for their lynch guess we'll have to take your word on that huh? I'm fine with your lynch. bad course of action you came up with No, you're fine with my lynch because you're spiteful due to a past game. Public knowledge of who is taking what number = we can lynch liars, plain and simple. It gives the mafia 0 wiggle room if EVERYONE claims. Use your head. Don't say my reasons you pathetic piece of shit. i say what i mean. go choke. can't acccept the fact that exposing our numbers is a shitty plan? i changed mine just because someone picked mine. thanks for posting pandain. What stops the mafia? 8ust go somwhere and die bill. um im seeking you being banned over this post this crosses the line on ad hom Whatever Bill. Go do what you do best. Had fun. Any bets that OpZ or Bill are going to draft Day Vig and kill someone day1? | ||
LSB
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
On August 23 2010 08:04 LSB wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2010 07:52 Pandain wrote: On August 23 2010 07:35 SiNiquity wrote: On August 23 2010 07:11 ~OpZ~ wrote: On August 23 2010 07:06 Pandain wrote: #1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness #4 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #5 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #6 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #7 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #8 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #9 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #10 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role(Doctor, Doctor, Alignment Cop, Watcher, Copy Cat, Mason. You choose) #11 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role #12 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role #13: 50% Bad santa, 50% doctor. #14. 50% Bad Santa, 50% doctor #15. 50% Bad Santa, 50% Copy cat/doctor(25 % each) #16. 50% bad santa, 50% Copycat/doctor (25 percent each) #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other The draft as of now. However, this does lead to tracker being less common. Any other suggestions? not following this plan either. game starts to me after i get to pick my power. Pandain: If numbers are kept secret, then I don't see a reason to do a weighted algorithm (% based) instead of just a plain role assignment. Opz: Get over yourself and chill the fuck out. The draft list will be revealed. If we just assigned roles, then mafia would know who to hit. On August 23 2010 07:43 LSB wrote: I'm assuming this is going to be completely randomized? Yes/no? Cause if #1 draft slot is going to draft Comp Vig, shouldn't it be quiet easy for the Mafia to stack their people as the first three picks, since a bunch of people have already declared and turned in their numbers? People can change numbers. I know I am. I suggest people to do the same I guess we just sit back and see what happens. I support this plan, as long as it doesn't seem obvious that people were sniped out of positions. Too think of it, even if we announce numbers, mafia would have a hard time sniping positions. Say they only had 4 numbers. That means they can only get someone from the top 6 initial positions to the top 3 (since they can only 'collide' with so many people). Announcing numbers is a trade off. A bit of risk for a bit of data. If a few people claimed it still may be beneficial to see who got sniped. It would still be random, but we'd get some information from it. I will now just say, I have picked 5 Stop announcing. It only encourages other players to switch from that number. And they shouldn't, as that implies an unsubstantiated level of trust in you (i.e. you're not Mafia). | ||
SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
On August 23 2010 08:14 LSB wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2010 08:07 ~OpZ~ wrote: On August 23 2010 07:46 Bill Murray wrote: On August 23 2010 07:08 ~OpZ~ wrote: On August 23 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote: On August 22 2010 20:26 ~OpZ~ wrote: On August 22 2010 16:49 Bill Murray wrote: Well, I'm not mafia, so if anyone picked [6] with me I'm pushing for their lynch guess we'll have to take your word on that huh? I'm fine with your lynch. bad course of action you came up with No, you're fine with my lynch because you're spiteful due to a past game. Public knowledge of who is taking what number = we can lynch liars, plain and simple. It gives the mafia 0 wiggle room if EVERYONE claims. Use your head. Don't say my reasons you pathetic piece of shit. i say what i mean. go choke. can't acccept the fact that exposing our numbers is a shitty plan? i changed mine just because someone picked mine. thanks for posting pandain. What stops the mafia? 8ust go somwhere and die bill. um im seeking you being banned over this post this crosses the line on ad hom Whatever Bill. Go do what you do best. Had fun. Any bets that OpZ or Bill are going to draft Day Vig and kill someone day1? 2:1 Opz dies before Bill. Any takers? | ||
Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On August 23 2010 08:16 SiNiquity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2010 08:14 LSB wrote: On August 23 2010 08:07 ~OpZ~ wrote: On August 23 2010 07:46 Bill Murray wrote: On August 23 2010 07:08 ~OpZ~ wrote: On August 23 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote: On August 22 2010 20:26 ~OpZ~ wrote: On August 22 2010 16:49 Bill Murray wrote: Well, I'm not mafia, so if anyone picked [6] with me I'm pushing for their lynch guess we'll have to take your word on that huh? I'm fine with your lynch. bad course of action you came up with No, you're fine with my lynch because you're spiteful due to a past game. Public knowledge of who is taking what number = we can lynch liars, plain and simple. It gives the mafia 0 wiggle room if EVERYONE claims. Use your head. Don't say my reasons you pathetic piece of shit. i say what i mean. go choke. can't acccept the fact that exposing our numbers is a shitty plan? i changed mine just because someone picked mine. thanks for posting pandain. What stops the mafia? 8ust go somwhere and die bill. um im seeking you being banned over this post this crosses the line on ad hom Whatever Bill. Go do what you do best. Had fun. Any bets that OpZ or Bill are going to draft Day Vig and kill someone day1? 2:1 Opz dies before Bill. Any takers? done | ||
Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On August 23 2010 08:14 LSB wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2010 08:07 ~OpZ~ wrote: On August 23 2010 07:46 Bill Murray wrote: On August 23 2010 07:08 ~OpZ~ wrote: On August 23 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote: On August 22 2010 20:26 ~OpZ~ wrote: On August 22 2010 16:49 Bill Murray wrote: Well, I'm not mafia, so if anyone picked [6] with me I'm pushing for their lynch guess we'll have to take your word on that huh? I'm fine with your lynch. bad course of action you came up with No, you're fine with my lynch because you're spiteful due to a past game. Public knowledge of who is taking what number = we can lynch liars, plain and simple. It gives the mafia 0 wiggle room if EVERYONE claims. Use your head. Don't say my reasons you pathetic piece of shit. i say what i mean. go choke. can't acccept the fact that exposing our numbers is a shitty plan? i changed mine just because someone picked mine. thanks for posting pandain. What stops the mafia? 8ust go somwhere and die bill. um im seeking you being banned over this post this crosses the line on ad hom Whatever Bill. Go do what you do best. Had fun. Any bets that OpZ or Bill are going to draft Day Vig and kill someone day1? I actually like this strategy as a dayvig, but I would not employ it in this setup. Role=/=confirmed | ||
Pandain
United States12882 Posts
On August 23 2010 08:16 SiNiquity wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2010 08:14 LSB wrote: On August 23 2010 08:07 ~OpZ~ wrote: On August 23 2010 07:46 Bill Murray wrote: On August 23 2010 07:08 ~OpZ~ wrote: On August 23 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote: On August 22 2010 20:26 ~OpZ~ wrote: On August 22 2010 16:49 Bill Murray wrote: Well, I'm not mafia, so if anyone picked [6] with me I'm pushing for their lynch guess we'll have to take your word on that huh? I'm fine with your lynch. bad course of action you came up with No, you're fine with my lynch because you're spiteful due to a past game. Public knowledge of who is taking what number = we can lynch liars, plain and simple. It gives the mafia 0 wiggle room if EVERYONE claims. Use your head. Don't say my reasons you pathetic piece of shit. i say what i mean. go choke. can't acccept the fact that exposing our numbers is a shitty plan? i changed mine just because someone picked mine. thanks for posting pandain. What stops the mafia? 8ust go somwhere and die bill. um im seeking you being banned over this post this crosses the line on ad hom Whatever Bill. Go do what you do best. Had fun. Any bets that OpZ or Bill are going to draft Day Vig and kill someone day1? 2:1 Opz dies before Bill. Any takers? I'm puting my money on that Opz is a serial killer and will kill Bill night 1. And opz, you will follow that plan or give reasons why you won't. Or we shall castrate you. | ||
~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
BM, I didn't bc push for yours. We all get a little heated. | ||
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Canada2720 Posts
#1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness Same as before, put these roles dangerous anti-town roles where we can find them #4 33/33/33 CV, Bad Santa or PoD This is to assure that if mafia are pick #1,2 or 3, then there is some inherent risk in them not taking their assigned role and trying to let it slip to a lower mafia buddy. #5 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #6 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #7 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #8 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #9 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #10 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #11 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #12 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #13 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) The change here obviously emphasizing the doctor role over the other pro-town, non investigative roles. #14. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other(Alignment Cop, Mason, Martyr, etc.) #15. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #16. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other We pick up our last essential investigative role here with the tracker, and also hopefully scoop another doctor #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other Same Also, remember that part of the key here, is that no town players take any of the other pro-mafia roles, which allows our Role Cop and Bullet Bill to function at a much higher capacity. Those roles are: Floridian God Father Role Blocker Pardoner Vengeful Player Day Vig Traitor These changes do two things. They add in some assurance that a mafia at 1,2 or 3 can't let a role slip down to a mafia ally, and they increase our priority on picking up a doctor. This plan however, leaves slots 14-20 as quite vulnerable to hits from both the SK and the Mafia. Therefore, our medics need to be protecting these slots(as well as the CV slot) to increase the chances of blocking a hit. Spots 2-4 don't really matter if they die, spots 5-13 have a decent shot at having a defensive role. Is there any reason that people would be against this plan? Opz, you stated you don't want to follow this plan, do you have a particular reason? Stating "game starts to me after i get to pick my power" is a little silly, as obviously the game has started. Town, Mafia and SK all know their roles, the game is on. Having the town organized on picking significantly helps in my eyes. Do you have a reason you think everyone picking for themselves is the best course of action? Questions, Concerns, Thoughts? I'd love to hear some more people weigh in on this. | ||
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Pandain
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On August 23 2010 08:46 Radfield wrote: cool kids plan I like this plan. Urge everyone to look over this and folllow it, paying special attention to what roles NOT to pick. I would wish alignment cop would be more likely but oh well, I guess its okay. | ||
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Canada2720 Posts
On August 23 2010 08:50 Pandain wrote: I like this plan. Urge everyone to look over this and folllow it, paying special attention to what roles NOT to pick. I would wish alignment cop would be more likely but oh well, I guess its okay. I think both Doctors and the Alignment Cop will get taken. Likely by people from 14-20. | ||
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Pandain
United States12882 Posts
On August 23 2010 08:57 citi.zen wrote: If the town commits to not taking some roles, don't they become "reserved" for mafia? Again, this means that role cop and bullet bill will become incredibly powerful, able to find mafia just by checking roles/ if they have a gun. (As Mafia willl have taken non-designated roles or kp roles) | ||
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Canada2720 Posts
On August 23 2010 08:57 citi.zen wrote: If the town commits to not taking some roles, don't they become "reserved" for mafia? Absolutely, but remember that the most powerful mafia roles we're taking preventatively (PoD and Bad Santa). Lets take a look at the roles we're actually leaving them: Floridian: A good role for mafia, particularly in the end-game, but likely not one that will hurt us continually as the game goes on God Father: Not a real great role considering we have a tracker, role cop and bullet bill, all capable of finding him. Role Blocker: A weak role until we start publicly claiming roles, then it becomes quite strong. Likely the mafia will take this role. Pardoner: A weak role, only useful in the late game. Obviously the way we're playing it, anyone who uses the role is mafia. Vengeful Player: OK, but there are better roles for mafia to take. Day Vig: A decent role for mafia, but by leaving it for mafia, it actually becomes less powerful, since anyone who uses it will be insta-lynched at the next opportunity. It really functions exactly as the Vengeful Player, an after lynch attack(see PYP1). It's important that this role stays out of town hands, as it would reduce Bullet Bill's effectiveness. Traitor: Mafia will not pick this. Honestly, none of these roles really frighten me, and when you look at the glut of pro-town roles we should be able to pull down, I think we'll be in pretty good shape. | ||
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
On August 23 2010 09:10 Radfield wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2010 08:57 citi.zen wrote: If the town commits to not taking some roles, don't they become "reserved" for mafia? Absolutely, but remember that the most powerful mafia roles we're taking preventatively (PoD and Bad Santa). Lets take a look at the roles we're actually leaving them: Floridian: A good role for mafia, particularly in the end-game, but likely not one that will hurt us continually as the game goes on God Father: Not a real great role considering we have a tracker, role cop and bullet bill, all capable of finding him. Role Blocker: A weak role until we start publicly claiming roles, then it becomes quite strong. Likely the mafia will take this role. Pardoner: A weak role, only useful in the late game. Obviously the way we're playing it, anyone who uses the role is mafia. Vengeful Player: OK, but there are better roles for mafia to take. Day Vig: A decent role for mafia, but by leaving it for mafia, it actually becomes less powerful, since anyone who uses it will be insta-lynched at the next opportunity. It really functions exactly as the Vengeful Player, an after lynch attack(see PYP1). It's important that this role stays out of town hands, as it would reduce Bullet Bill's effectiveness. Traitor: Mafia will not pick this. Honestly, none of these roles really frighten me, and when you look at the glut of pro-town roles we should be able to pull down, I think we'll be in pretty good shape. Godfather = Vengeful Player ('cept auto-lynches the last vote on him) + Alignment Immune, so Vengeful is definitely low on a Mafia list. | ||
SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
#1 Comp Vig (CV): Starting Night 2, must kill every night or else mod-killed. #2 Bad Santa: Here's the quote, I'm actually a bit confused as to the specifics. + Show Spoiler + At the start of the game you may send me a list of 5 players' names. If any of those player's are the cause of death for each other by Night kill, lynch, or any other means then you can pick any of the remaining names and kill one of them the next night. So a list of 5 players is sent in. If any of those players on the list causes the death of another player on the list, Bad Santa gets to kill anyone from the list. Am I understanding that correctly? #3 Prince(ss) of Darkness (PoD): Skips day-cycle. One use only. #4 Role Cop: Can check roles (i.e. player's power). #5 Jack of All Trades (joat): Can choose between [Sane] Investigate (Town / Mafia / SK), Protect, Shoot, Talk. Each power can only be used once. #6 Bullet Bill (BB): Can target player and see if they're carrying a gun (Mafia, SK, CV, Santa, joat) #7 Veteran: 2 Lives #8 Meth-man: Kills everyone visiting him if he dies. #9 Bulletproof: Can't be shot. #10 Doctor: Can protect someone from one bullet (i.e kill power). There are 2 total to be had, but may be of the Normal, Paranoid (50% chance of killing target), Naive (protections do nothing), or Weak (dies if protecting Mafia / SK) variety. #12 Tracker #13 Copy Cat and some misc. roles. Sounds pretty groovy to me. Just as a heads up, BB could trigger on joat. | ||
Pandain
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Pandain
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On August 23 2010 08:46 Radfield wrote: #1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness #4 33% comp vig, 33% bad santa, 33% prince of darkness #5 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #6 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #7 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #8 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #9 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #10 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #11 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #12 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #13 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #14. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other(Alignment Cop, Mason, Martyr, etc.) #15. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #16. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other Same Also, remember that part of the key here, is that no town players take any of the other pro-mafia roles, which allows our Role Cop and Bullet Bill to function at a much higher capacity. Those roles are: Floridian God Father Role Blocker Pardoner Vengeful Player Day Vig Traitor | ||
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