EPTAnd if he didn't listen? We get two mafia. So compvig killing a mafia when he was directed by the town will in NO WAY confirm him, or make him any less suspicious.
CompVig kill mafia =/= Comp vig not mafia
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
And if he didn't listen? We get two mafia. So compvig killing a mafia when he was directed by the town will in NO WAY confirm him, or make him any less suspicious. CompVig kill mafia =/= Comp vig not mafia | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
Comp vig can actually be role blocked (which still wouldn't verify him). | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
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Pandain
United States12985 Posts
#1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness So we take the three most dangerous roles as the first 3 picks. We use Comp Vig as the double lynch, we use Bad Santa solely for it's investigative powers, and not it's KP. Prince of Darkness never gets used. If Prince of Darkness gets used, then we have a sure-fire lynch. If extra KP from the bad santa is getting used(which should be obvious since we should never have 4 deaths in a night if the Joat holds his shot appropriately), then we lynch the bad santa. Either way though, this keeps vital mafia roles in known hands. #4 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #5 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #6 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #7 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #8 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #9 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #10 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role(Doctor, Doctor, Alignment Cop, Watcher, Copy Cat, Mason. You choose) #11 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role #12 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role #13-16 we prioritize tracker and the rest of the pro-town roles #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other /QUOTE] Me thinks we should be expanding on this now that we have a list going. I'm starting to think we should definitely have copy cat in there( as what happens if no one picks doctor. We will need to have a doctor yet theres not much gurantee that a townie will pick it.We need to have more % weighted towards doctor me thinks. | ||
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Pandain
United States12985 Posts
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
#1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness So far the same, but then: #4 33% CV, 33% Bad Santa, 33% PoD This makes it far riskier for mafia to mess with the top three picks, and riskier for them to try and let CV or PoD slip further down the list. It's possible that mafia could get pick #4 and one of the first three picks, but that can't be helped too much. While this does mean that the #4 pick will likely be vanilla, it seems quite worth it given that it reduces the likelihood of mafia gaining a large advantage through the draft. Also, with this set-up of planning our picks, #4 is no really more valuable than #20 for a town player. Everything else gets bumped down by 1. I've got more to add, but I have to go right now. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On August 22 2010 20:26 ~OpZ~ wrote: guess we'll have to take your word on that huh? I'm fine with your lynch. bad course of action you came up with No, you're fine with my lynch because you're spiteful due to a past game. Public knowledge of who is taking what number = we can lynch liars, plain and simple. It gives the mafia 0 wiggle room if EVERYONE claims. Use your head. | ||
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Pandain
United States12985 Posts
On August 23 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote: No, you're fine with my lynch because you're spiteful due to a past game. Public knowledge of who is taking what number = we can lynch liars, plain and simple. It gives the mafia 0 wiggle room if EVERYONE claims. Use your head. Hmm.... it doesn't matter if the mafia doesn't have any wiggle room if they already got people near the top. That's the problem. If mafia manage to take the roles we need while denying us essential roles, then we're going to lose. This is better since it makes it so mafia don't know for certain that they're going to get the first picks. Also, I'm still a bit concerned with the current plan and this needs to be adressed. I feel there is too less a chance for there being no doctors. Right now under the current plan theres only like 1/8 chance that it'll be picked, and that is under "YOU CHOOSE" anyway. So we shouldn't have it be definitely doctor so here's my slight adaption. At the same time, doctors are very important so I was thinking of taking away from the 5-9 (roughly) and have it still be 50% a defensive role, but minus the meth man. Than have 14: 50% Bad santa, 50% doctor. 15. 50% Bad Santa, 50% doctor 16. 50% Bad Santa, 50% Copy cat/doctor(25 % each) 17. 50% bad santa, 50% Copycat/doctor (25 percent each) If we don't have any doctors(and the current plan makes that highly likely), then town is going to be hard pressed, as well as being unable to protect vital roles. For example, what if mafia kills comp vigi, and they have their own copy cat. Since we probably won't have doctors, this means they will get their own comp vigi. In addition, this means if the odds go against us and we don't have a doctor, and a vital role such as PoD is killed, we will know the liklihood of who is the mafia copycat. Why bad santa? So then theres a 50% chance of wasting a hit on a vanilla. In addition, this helps make copy cat more likely. Potential Problems: Allows mafia to sneak in bad santa there. However, then we can just lynch whoever was supposed to be bad santa. Any thoughts? | ||
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Pandain
United States12985 Posts
#2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness #4 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #5 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #6 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #7 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #8 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #9 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #10 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role(Doctor, Doctor, Alignment Cop, Watcher, Copy Cat, Mason. You choose) #11 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role #12 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role #13: 50% Bad santa, 50% doctor. #14. 50% Bad Santa, 50% doctor #15. 50% Bad Santa, 50% Copy cat/doctor(25 % each) #16. 50% bad santa, 50% Copycat/doctor (25 percent each) #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other The draft as of now. However, this does lead to tracker being less common. Any other suggestions? | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On August 23 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote: No, you're fine with my lynch because you're spiteful due to a past game. Public knowledge of who is taking what number = we can lynch liars, plain and simple. It gives the mafia 0 wiggle room if EVERYONE claims. Use your head. Don't say my reasons you pathetic piece of shit. i say what i mean. go choke. can't acccept the fact that exposing our numbers is a shitty plan? i changed mine just because someone picked mine. thanks for posting pandain. What stops the mafia? 8ust go somwhere and die bill. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On August 23 2010 07:06 Pandain wrote: #1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness #4 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #5 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #6 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #7 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #8 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #9 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #10 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role(Doctor, Doctor, Alignment Cop, Watcher, Copy Cat, Mason. You choose) #11 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role #12 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role #13: 50% Bad santa, 50% doctor. #14. 50% Bad Santa, 50% doctor #15. 50% Bad Santa, 50% Copy cat/doctor(25 % each) #16. 50% bad santa, 50% Copycat/doctor (25 percent each) #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other The draft as of now. However, this does lead to tracker being less common. Any other suggestions? not following this plan either. game starts to me after i get to pick my power. | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
On August 23 2010 07:06 Pandain wrote: #1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness #4 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #5 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #6 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #7 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #8 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #9 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #10 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role(Doctor, Doctor, Alignment Cop, Watcher, Copy Cat, Mason. You choose) #11 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role #12 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role #13: 50% Bad santa, 50% doctor. #14. 50% Bad Santa, 50% doctor #15. 50% Bad Santa, 50% Copy cat/doctor(25 % each) #16. 50% bad santa, 50% Copycat/doctor (25 percent each) #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other The draft as of now. However, this does lead to tracker being less common. Any other suggestions? remind me what the percentages mean? | ||
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
On August 23 2010 07:11 ~OpZ~ wrote: not following this plan either. game starts to me after i get to pick my power. Pandain: If numbers are kept secret, then I don't see a reason to do a weighted algorithm (% based) instead of just a plain role assignment. Opz: Get over yourself and chill the fuck out. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On August 23 2010 07:06 Pandain wrote: #1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness #4 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #5 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #6 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #7 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #8 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #9 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #10 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role(Doctor, Doctor, Alignment Cop, Watcher, Copy Cat, Mason. You choose) #11 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role #12 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 50% pro town non essential role #13: 50% Bad santa, 50% doctor. #14. 50% Bad Santa, 50% doctor #15. 50% Bad Santa, 50% Copy cat/doctor(25 % each) #16. 50% bad santa, 50% Copycat/doctor (25 percent each) #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other The draft as of now. However, this does lead to tracker being less common. Any other suggestions? I'm assuming this is going to be completely randomized? Yes/no? Cause if #1 draft slot is going to draft Comp Vig, shouldn't it be quiet easy for the Mafia to stack their people as the first three picks, since a bunch of people have already declared and turned in their numbers? | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On August 23 2010 07:08 ~OpZ~ wrote: Don't say my reasons you pathetic piece of shit. i say what i mean. go choke. can't acccept the fact that exposing our numbers is a shitty plan? i changed mine just because someone picked mine. thanks for posting pandain. What stops the mafia? 8ust go somwhere and die bill. um im seeking you being banned over this post this crosses the line on ad hom | ||
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Pandain
United States12985 Posts
On August 23 2010 07:35 SiNiquity wrote: Pandain: If numbers are kept secret, then I don't see a reason to do a weighted algorithm (% based) instead of just a plain role assignment. Opz: Get over yourself and chill the fuck out. The draft list will be revealed. If we just assigned roles, then mafia would know who to hit. On August 23 2010 07:43 LSB wrote: I'm assuming this is going to be completely randomized? Yes/no? Cause if #1 draft slot is going to draft Comp Vig, shouldn't it be quiet easy for the Mafia to stack their people as the first three picks, since a bunch of people have already declared and turned in their numbers? People can change numbers. I know I am. I suggest people to do the same | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On August 23 2010 07:52 Pandain wrote: The draft list will be revealed. If we just assigned roles, then mafia would know who to hit. People can change numbers. I know I am. I suggest people to do the same I guess we just sit back and see what happens. I support this plan, as long as it doesn't seem obvious that people were sniped out of positions. Too think of it, even if we announce numbers, mafia would have a hard time sniping positions. Say they only had 4 numbers. That means they can only get someone from the top 6 initial positions to the top 3 (since they can only 'collide' with so many people). Announcing numbers is a trade off. A bit of risk for a bit of data. If a few people claimed it still may be beneficial to see who got sniped. It would still be random, but we'd get some information from it. I will now just say, I have picked 5 | ||
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
On August 23 2010 07:52 Pandain wrote: The draft list will be revealed. If we just assigned roles, then mafia would know who to hit. People can change numbers. I know I am. I suggest people to do the same Oh hah. I don't know where I got that the final draft list was going to be anonymous. I was understanding the "draft order being revealed" simply meant that Ace would post a list with XYT, where X and Y were the numbers and T was the PM timestamp (or just assigning a unique # to it and PM'ing the individuals who conflicted which one they were). In that case I'm fine with the weighted algorithm. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On August 23 2010 07:46 Bill Murray wrote: um im seeking you being banned over this post this crosses the line on ad hom Whatever Bill. Go do what you do best. Had fun. | ||
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