EPTOn August 23 2010 08:07 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Whatever Bill. Go do what you do best.
Had fun.
Whatever Bill. Go do what you do best.
Had fun.
Any bets that OpZ or Bill are going to draft Day Vig and kill someone day1?
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
Any bets that OpZ or Bill are going to draft Day Vig and kill someone day1? | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
On August 23 2010 08:04 LSB wrote: I guess we just sit back and see what happens. I support this plan, as long as it doesn't seem obvious that people were sniped out of positions. Too think of it, even if we announce numbers, mafia would have a hard time sniping positions. Say they only had 4 numbers. That means they can only get someone from the top 6 initial positions to the top 3 (since they can only 'collide' with so many people). Announcing numbers is a trade off. A bit of risk for a bit of data. If a few people claimed it still may be beneficial to see who got sniped. It would still be random, but we'd get some information from it. I will now just say, I have picked 5 Stop announcing. It only encourages other players to switch from that number. And they shouldn't, as that implies an unsubstantiated level of trust in you (i.e. you're not Mafia). | ||
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
On August 23 2010 08:14 LSB wrote: Any bets that OpZ or Bill are going to draft Day Vig and kill someone day1? 2:1 Opz dies before Bill. Any takers? | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
On August 23 2010 08:14 LSB wrote: Any bets that OpZ or Bill are going to draft Day Vig and kill someone day1? I actually like this strategy as a dayvig, but I would not employ it in this setup. Role=/=confirmed | ||
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Pandain
United States12985 Posts
I'm puting my money on that Opz is a serial killer and will kill Bill night 1. And opz, you will follow that plan or give reasons why you won't. Or we shall castrate you. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
BM, I didn't bc push for yours. We all get a little heated. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
#1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness Same as before, put these roles dangerous anti-town roles where we can find them #4 33/33/33 CV, Bad Santa or PoD This is to assure that if mafia are pick #1,2 or 3, then there is some inherent risk in them not taking their assigned role and trying to let it slip to a lower mafia buddy. #5 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #6 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #7 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #8 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #9 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #10 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #11 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #12 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #13 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) The change here obviously emphasizing the doctor role over the other pro-town, non investigative roles. #14. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other(Alignment Cop, Mason, Martyr, etc.) #15. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #16. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other We pick up our last essential investigative role here with the tracker, and also hopefully scoop another doctor #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other Same Also, remember that part of the key here, is that no town players take any of the other pro-mafia roles, which allows our Role Cop and Bullet Bill to function at a much higher capacity. Those roles are: Floridian God Father Role Blocker Pardoner Vengeful Player Day Vig Traitor These changes do two things. They add in some assurance that a mafia at 1,2 or 3 can't let a role slip down to a mafia ally, and they increase our priority on picking up a doctor. This plan however, leaves slots 14-20 as quite vulnerable to hits from both the SK and the Mafia. Therefore, our medics need to be protecting these slots(as well as the CV slot) to increase the chances of blocking a hit. Spots 2-4 don't really matter if they die, spots 5-13 have a decent shot at having a defensive role. Is there any reason that people would be against this plan? Opz, you stated you don't want to follow this plan, do you have a particular reason? Stating "game starts to me after i get to pick my power" is a little silly, as obviously the game has started. Town, Mafia and SK all know their roles, the game is on. Having the town organized on picking significantly helps in my eyes. Do you have a reason you think everyone picking for themselves is the best course of action? Questions, Concerns, Thoughts? I'd love to hear some more people weigh in on this. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Pandain
United States12985 Posts
On August 23 2010 08:46 Radfield wrote: cool kids plan I like this plan. Urge everyone to look over this and folllow it, paying special attention to what roles NOT to pick. I would wish alignment cop would be more likely but oh well, I guess its okay. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On August 23 2010 08:50 Pandain wrote: I like this plan. Urge everyone to look over this and folllow it, paying special attention to what roles NOT to pick. I would wish alignment cop would be more likely but oh well, I guess its okay. I think both Doctors and the Alignment Cop will get taken. Likely by people from 14-20. | ||
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citi.zen
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Pandain
United States12985 Posts
On August 23 2010 08:57 citi.zen wrote: If the town commits to not taking some roles, don't they become "reserved" for mafia? Again, this means that role cop and bullet bill will become incredibly powerful, able to find mafia just by checking roles/ if they have a gun. (As Mafia willl have taken non-designated roles or kp roles) | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On August 23 2010 08:57 citi.zen wrote: If the town commits to not taking some roles, don't they become "reserved" for mafia? Absolutely, but remember that the most powerful mafia roles we're taking preventatively (PoD and Bad Santa). Lets take a look at the roles we're actually leaving them: Floridian: A good role for mafia, particularly in the end-game, but likely not one that will hurt us continually as the game goes on God Father: Not a real great role considering we have a tracker, role cop and bullet bill, all capable of finding him. Role Blocker: A weak role until we start publicly claiming roles, then it becomes quite strong. Likely the mafia will take this role. Pardoner: A weak role, only useful in the late game. Obviously the way we're playing it, anyone who uses the role is mafia. Vengeful Player: OK, but there are better roles for mafia to take. Day Vig: A decent role for mafia, but by leaving it for mafia, it actually becomes less powerful, since anyone who uses it will be insta-lynched at the next opportunity. It really functions exactly as the Vengeful Player, an after lynch attack(see PYP1). It's important that this role stays out of town hands, as it would reduce Bullet Bill's effectiveness. Traitor: Mafia will not pick this. Honestly, none of these roles really frighten me, and when you look at the glut of pro-town roles we should be able to pull down, I think we'll be in pretty good shape. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
On August 23 2010 09:10 Radfield wrote: Absolutely, but remember that the most powerful mafia roles we're taking preventatively (PoD and Bad Santa). Lets take a look at the roles we're actually leaving them: Floridian: A good role for mafia, particularly in the end-game, but likely not one that will hurt us continually as the game goes on God Father: Not a real great role considering we have a tracker, role cop and bullet bill, all capable of finding him. Role Blocker: A weak role until we start publicly claiming roles, then it becomes quite strong. Likely the mafia will take this role. Pardoner: A weak role, only useful in the late game. Obviously the way we're playing it, anyone who uses the role is mafia. Vengeful Player: OK, but there are better roles for mafia to take. Day Vig: A decent role for mafia, but by leaving it for mafia, it actually becomes less powerful, since anyone who uses it will be insta-lynched at the next opportunity. It really functions exactly as the Vengeful Player, an after lynch attack(see PYP1). It's important that this role stays out of town hands, as it would reduce Bullet Bill's effectiveness. Traitor: Mafia will not pick this. Honestly, none of these roles really frighten me, and when you look at the glut of pro-town roles we should be able to pull down, I think we'll be in pretty good shape. Godfather = Vengeful Player ('cept auto-lynches the last vote on him) + Alignment Immune, so Vengeful is definitely low on a Mafia list. | ||
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SiNiquity
United States734 Posts
#1 Comp Vig (CV): Starting Night 2, must kill every night or else mod-killed. #2 Bad Santa: Here's the quote, I'm actually a bit confused as to the specifics. + Show Spoiler + At the start of the game you may send me a list of 5 players' names. If any of those player's are the cause of death for each other by Night kill, lynch, or any other means then you can pick any of the remaining names and kill one of them the next night. So a list of 5 players is sent in. If any of those players on the list causes the death of another player on the list, Bad Santa gets to kill anyone from the list. Am I understanding that correctly? #3 Prince(ss) of Darkness (PoD): Skips day-cycle. One use only. #4 Role Cop: Can check roles (i.e. player's power). #5 Jack of All Trades (joat): Can choose between [Sane] Investigate (Town / Mafia / SK), Protect, Shoot, Talk. Each power can only be used once. #6 Bullet Bill (BB): Can target player and see if they're carrying a gun (Mafia, SK, CV, Santa, joat) #7 Veteran: 2 Lives #8 Meth-man: Kills everyone visiting him if he dies. #9 Bulletproof: Can't be shot. #10 Doctor: Can protect someone from one bullet (i.e kill power). There are 2 total to be had, but may be of the Normal, Paranoid (50% chance of killing target), Naive (protections do nothing), or Weak (dies if protecting Mafia / SK) variety. #12 Tracker #13 Copy Cat and some misc. roles. Sounds pretty groovy to me. Just as a heads up, BB could trigger on joat. | ||
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Pandain
United States12985 Posts
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Pandain
United States12985 Posts
On August 23 2010 08:46 Radfield wrote: #1 Comp Vig #2 Bad Santa #3 Prince of Darkness #4 33% comp vig, 33% bad santa, 33% prince of darkness #5 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each) #6 50% Joat......... 50% Defensive role #7 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #8 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role #9 50% Joat.........50% Defensive role #10 50% Bullet Bill, 50% Defensive role #11 25% Role Cop, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #12 25% Joat, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #13 25% Bullet Bill, 25% Defensive role, 25% Doctor, 25% role of your choice(not tracker) #14. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other(Alignment Cop, Mason, Martyr, etc.) #15. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #16. 50% Tracker, 25% doctor, 25% Copy Cat(recommended) or Other #17 50% role cop, 50% other #18 50% Joat, 50% other #19 50% Bullet Bill, 50% other #20 50% tracker, 50% other Same Also, remember that part of the key here, is that no town players take any of the other pro-mafia roles, which allows our Role Cop and Bullet Bill to function at a much higher capacity. Those roles are: Floridian God Father Role Blocker Pardoner Vengeful Player Day Vig Traitor | ||
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