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I got placed into gold after my (probably lucky) placement matches. Since then I have become infatuated with this game, and have done so much research, watched so many replays of higher tiered players, studied strategies/counters/builds rigorously, and played as often as I can without getting frustrated. Besides this, I had some SC background from playing some SC:BW (mostly UMS) and knew some about the game before even getting SC2.
Either way, I feel like I can't commit to either defending early cheese against players without over-committing to an early defense, or don't put too much into an early defense and end up getting rushed or attacked with massed low tiered units. My macro seems to be okay, seeing as I can expand comfortably and defend it, while being able to spend most of my resources by teching up with the extra resources, while building specialized units for my counters.
I see that most players that post here on TL are plat/diamond level, and it doesn't seem like what they're (especially plat.) doing is much more complex than what I'm doing, and I honestly don't know how I'm getting beaten by players of these lower tiers that I'm being pitted against. Basically, I feel as though I should be destroying the competition (at very low gold) and be moving up because of my overall understanding and awareness of this game, but I'm really not. Given, a lot of the losses that I take on gold due to cheese, but I still feel like I can't perform for reasons unknown.
Thanks in advance, and this is my first topic on TL, so forgive me if I misplaced/mistagged it.
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They are not that good, they lack good macro.
If that was actually your question? Submit some replays and people will be sure to give you a few tips. Most likely involving "make more workers, use your minerals, expand faster and more often".
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I think its like Silver players do a different build each game/make 15 workers all game.
Gold players have a build that they do 100% of the time/cheeze and that wins them 50% of there games ...but thats just IMO.
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I'm pretty good at knowing when/how/how many harvesters to have and when. I'm also good at predicting supply and things as far as that go. The only real thing I can think of is feeling lost when it comes to troop production / tech mid-game. I get lost and feel like I don't know which path/direction to take, even though I usually know what counters what. I know how to counter after scouting, but it usually seems as though I'm one step behind my opponent.
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Macro and Scouting is what players till high plat players lack alot or aren't doing it very well.
Macro is the first thing when I used to be in plat that I lacked the most. Scouting is ofcourse also essential but what good does it do if you don't have units to counter theirs.
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I feel ya. I also am in the top 20 of my Gold Division, but I hold a 50% record and feel that I am where I should be, based on my performances. Although I read TL daily, listen to the Day[9] daily, practice against friends, and feel like I have a great understanding of the game and strategies, I don't see me moving out of Gold anytime soon.
Personally, for me, it's not so much understanding, but execution. My early game is my strongest, and I find the longer the game goes on, the worse I get. Big battles my resources tend to pool as I focus more in microing my units. Further, I'm very bad at executing my contingency plans. My macro needs work. My micro needs work. I'm gold for a reason.
So I can't speak for you, only for me, but it's not so much understanding as it is execution. Look for little mistakes you make when you watch your replays, because its the little mistakes that separate the men from the boys.
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Use a specific build against the opponent, that should make your play a bit more effective.
And play a ton of matches, it would seem like it is your execution that fails. But we wouldn't really be able to tell without some sort of replay. 
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i'm in gold too and i get a lot of platinum and even diamond players and i win quite a bunch of the matches against them. i'm really surprised how "bad" some plat/diamond players are and because of that i really question the whole laddersystem / rating system.
sure the top diamond players are really really gosu, i don't doubt that. but even low diamond players doesn't seem to be so much better than good gold or platinum players.
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I felt like you did in brood war until I startet working really hard on my execution. Have to second that it is probably what sets you back. Also you claim you have good understanding of the game, yet say you either overcommit to defense or get rushed and owned, but this implies to me that you are not scouting and reacting to what he does. No reason to def up against someone who goes for an economical build, for instance.
So if you lose although you know what to do, work hard on your macro and timing (a bit intangible advice, I know, sorry). If you lose because you don't respond correctly (too much def/passivity), work on your scouting. Try to do it all game and ask yourself "what does this tell me" etc, watching all replays of lost games to get the ques right.
If you want us to give more constructive, concrete advice, provide a replay. I'll be happy to take a look.
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On August 09 2010 20:19 Inori wrote:
From my observations:
Bronze: have no idea that TL.net, BOs, timings and etc exist. They just build what they feel like building.
Silver: they have a basic idea about BOs, timings, but that's about where it ends. They know that they should build this and that, but why and when - no.
Gold: they've learned a couple of BOs and what counters what, but they're too afraid to experiment yet and just use the same BO game after game after game without understanding what and whys behind it.
Plat: they've learned different starts for different maps and etc, basically their BO knowledge doesn't differ much from Diamond, but what does differ is how they perform it. It's all about the little things like send a building worker early and when to pull off guys from gas and etc. Also they neither micro nor macro in battles. They just stare untill the last unit dies and then come back to their base with 2k+ mins stockpiled.
According to this post I'd be somewhere between Plat and Diamond.. Yet I'm silver....
I played in bronze forever and played people that had no business being in the weakest division... I think the ladder system is a little messed up at this point because the game is still so new that the system is having trouble accurately placing players... This should work itself out over the next few weeks.. But for now some of the truthfully new players are going to get it handed to them pretty bad even at a bronze level.
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On August 09 2010 20:19 Inori wrote:
Plat: they've learned different starts for different maps and etc, basically their BO knowledge doesn't differ much from Diamond, but what does differ is how they perform it. It's all about the little things like send a building worker early and when to pull off guys from gas and etc. Also they neither micro nor macro in battles. They just stare untill the last unit dies and then come back to their base with 2k+ mins stockpiled.
That is dead on!!! I agree 100%....aside from the Resources Im that guy^ lol ...But i always keep my resources low:D
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Adaptation and macro is what really separates the big boys from the little guys. Not only can they scout, but they can come up with the right response to the information that they scout.
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Sorry that this get a bit offtopic OP. I'll help you out if you provide that rep.
On August 09 2010 20:09 jhNz wrote:[spoiler]
i'm in gold too and i get a lot of platinum and even diamond players and i win quite a bunch of the matches against them. i'm really surprised how "bad" some plat/diamond players are and because of that i really question the whole laddersystem / rating system.
sure the top diamond players are really really gosu, i don't doubt that. but even low diamond players doesn't seem to be so much better than good gold or platinum players.
Some inaccuracy is to be expected. People are moving up and down the ladder constantly, after all. Also, many experiment with new races/build and thus will not play up to their real standards every game.
More importantly they might have 1/2 good MUs that carry them. I haven't played more than like 5-6 (!?) games versus zerg, and as a result suck at the MU. I am in platinum league and I think im moving towards diamond pretty fast, but the zerg I just played in plat is bound to have thought "omgwtf platinum terrans are noob!", because I didn't know what I were doing.
Inori: Lol, way to generalize dude. Some platinum players' problem is overmicroing not "staring at battle untiol it's over".
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Work on your macro. Best way to do this is to learn one simple early push BO for each match up. Make sure you're constantly building workers and constantly using your unit production facilities, even when attacking. I'd say 95% of people stuck in gold is having a BO+Macro problem.
I moved from plat to diamond using the 3 rax push -> adapt (with superior macro) that Trump advocates. When you got pretty solid macro for early, mid-game (late game macro is incredible hard) you can start worrying about everything else, and you'll most likely be in platinum by then already.
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For the ladder I think divided like this:
As for your trouble getting out of Gold. I would advise to train one build. try to make it firm but flexible. And after you have used it for 50 times you should easily get in platinum.
Also if you post an replay people can help better... or at least tell your race.
Good Luck laddering 
Edit: Uhmm image doesn't load I think (I don't know first time I tried to upload an image in the internet._
this is the general idea:
.............|-------Silver-------|-------Plat-------|..............
|-------Bronze-------|-------Gold-------|-------Diam-------|
So some bronze are better than some silver and some silver are better than some gold etc.
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On August 09 2010 20:09 jhNz wrote:
i'm in gold too and i get a lot of platinum and even diamond players and i win quite a bunch of the matches against them. i'm really surprised how "bad" some plat/diamond players are and because of that i really question the whole laddersystem / rating system.
sure the top diamond players are really really gosu, i don't doubt that. but even low diamond players doesn't seem to be so much better than good gold or platinum players.
Not much seperates gold players from low diamond players, the only differences are that the low diamond players have more solid build orders, scout better, know their counters better, and macro better.
I feel like there should be at least 10 leagues to better seperate the skill levels, I feel there's currently just too much of a difference between low diamond players and high diamond players and the only way to fix that would be to add more leagues.
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Thanks again for all of the help.. I'll play a few games and post replays in a bit, because I have no 1v1s in my recents, and the only replays I've saved are wins. Give me a couple hours. @ The guy who explained all of the leagues, he's perfect about the 2k mineral thing, except for the fact that I don't always just waste my army and fall back on the minerals, but I usually do focus too much on microing and come back to a stockpile..
TL is great.
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They are really bad, except for a few that went to gold after being 4-1 in placements but really deserve to be in Plat/Diamond. But the rest, are just terribad, with apms not going over 40
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On August 09 2010 20:50 Tazza wrote:
They are really bad, except for a few that went to gold after being 4-1 in placements but really deserve to be in Plat/Diamond. But the rest, are just terribad, with apms not going over 40
I'm silver and my apm is 50-75 on average.. I do a little spam clicking it the beginning but not much... Not like it really matters that much...
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