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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 22 2010 07:45 JayDee_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2010 17:01 ZlaSHeR wrote: That's a bold move towards players rights, but that literally opens the doors to KeSPA winning all their arguments under the court of law, there is NO WAY blizzard agrees to removing all this.
User was temp banned for this post. I'm a new user ( coming from the quake community ), but this concerns me. Why was this user banned for this post? It isn't spam or malicious, he's just stating his opinion on the subject. He was quickly unbanned after talking to Kennigit about it.
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On June 22 2010 05:00 illu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2010 18:17 dogabutila wrote:
Specifically, User Created content with a provided ingame editor can't really be copyrighted by the user if it uses anything created and copyrighted by blizzard. I imagine one might be able to make a case for creation of new units, but simply put, making an obs map or even a new map itself is not really copyrightable by the user.
Wait. Say I wrote a novel using Microsoft Word, since I used tools created by Microsoft, does that mean that Microsoft owns the copyright of my novel? Similarly, if I make a movie using Microsoft Movie maker specifically to be played by Microsoft Media Player, does Microsoft own copyright for that, too? Now, if I make a map using Blizzard's map maker specifically to be played for a Blizzard's game, should Blizzard own copyright for that,too? I believe replays and maps should be free, but not owned by Blizzard. I think it's more fair if they were under some sort of GNU license.
Different licences and purposes for the software to begin with. Nice try, but your example was too simplistic.
On June 22 2010 13:45 Grond wrote: How about banks should be controlled by the government because their executives can behave recklessly and force the taxpayers to give them hundreds of billions of dollars so the economy doesn't collapse? I'm not sure what your experience is with Blizzard but this is not the same Blizzard that put out Starcraft and Warcraft 3.
Not the same blizzard, a merger and a BUNCH of personell changes later.....
For all those on ~page3 saying being banned from B.net would make it impossible to play the game, incorrect. There will be an offline mode as stated many, many times in blizzard interviews. SP // campaigns will be playable, obviously you wont get achievements and stuff from it though. Just don't do anything questionable or be a dick to people online and you wont get banned anyways.
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On June 22 2010 15:16 dogabutila wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 05:00 illu wrote:On June 21 2010 18:17 dogabutila wrote:
Specifically, User Created content with a provided ingame editor can't really be copyrighted by the user if it uses anything created and copyrighted by blizzard. I imagine one might be able to make a case for creation of new units, but simply put, making an obs map or even a new map itself is not really copyrightable by the user.
Wait. Say I wrote a novel using Microsoft Word, since I used tools created by Microsoft, does that mean that Microsoft owns the copyright of my novel? Similarly, if I make a movie using Microsoft Movie maker specifically to be played by Microsoft Media Player, does Microsoft own copyright for that, too? Now, if I make a map using Blizzard's map maker specifically to be played for a Blizzard's game, should Blizzard own copyright for that,too? I believe replays and maps should be free, but not owned by Blizzard. I think it's more fair if they were under some sort of GNU license. Different licences and purposes for the software to begin with. Nice try, but your example was too simplistic. Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 13:45 Grond wrote: How about banks should be controlled by the government because their executives can behave recklessly and force the taxpayers to give them hundreds of billions of dollars so the economy doesn't collapse? I'm not sure what your experience is with Blizzard but this is not the same Blizzard that put out Starcraft and Warcraft 3. Not the same blizzard, a merger and a BUNCH of personell changes later..... For all those on ~page3 saying being banned from B.net would make it impossible to play the game, incorrect. There will be an offline mode as stated many, many times in blizzard interviews. SP // campaigns will be playable, obviously you wont get achievements and stuff from it though. Just don't do anything questionable or be a dick to people online and you wont get banned anyways. there is an offline mode, but my understanding is you need to connect to bnet server to authenticate each time before you play single player games. Command & Conquer 4 uses the same method of "offline" play.
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It's good to see someone standing up against the EULA's these days, because with games they are not even legal.
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konadora
Singapore66063 Posts
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I really don't see what the problem everyone has with EULAs is. It's a contract between you and a company. Unless it violates some fundamental law (ie you can't sell yourself into slavery), what's wrong with it? Furthermore, if you don't like it, just don't agree to it. It's not like you have a right to play computer games or use computer software.
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On June 22 2010 21:39 sikyon wrote: I really don't see what the problem everyone has with EULAs is. It's a contract between you and a company. Unless it violates some fundamental law (ie you can't sell yourself into slavery), what's wrong with it? Furthermore, if you don't like it, just don't agree to it. It's not like you have a right to play computer games or use computer software.
There's a lot more to law than just not enslaving anyone. Business law is extremely complicated and you cannot expect your average customer to be able to, after reading the EULA, understand all the potential loopholes. That's why most developed countries have some sort of agency to protect consumer rights.
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On June 22 2010 05:11 Half wrote: Please explain to me who would buy that replay.
You couldn't see them putting together a dvd of the top 25 replays of 2010 and selling it and people buying it? Or conversely, an end user putting together that dvd, and Blizzard stopping them from selling it?
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Woot, now that's good news.
Btw, if Blizz still had all the rights to all this, is it possible for them to make any VoD posting on Youtube illegal unless we pay them to post?
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I agree especially with the part about Blizzard saying they own the account and you are just using it. They have this in WoW too and I think it is completely stupid. You are paying $60 for this game and then for them to be like oh you don't "own" this account is beyond dumb. Wish these changes would come into affect for the U.S.
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we need a FTC for the whole world
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United States47024 Posts
On June 22 2010 02:44 NuKedUFirst wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 01:56 dybydx wrote:
3. there is currently no way to legally play SC2 without connection to b.net. blizz's ability to discontinue your access to b.net with or without cause is extremely unfair. This makes me extremely angry, but alot of websites are like this, If Dustin Browder gets in a fight with his wife (just an example) he could go on a Battle.net banning spree just because he can, similar to Xbox, Youtube, etc. They claim they can take your account away without question, etc. You could say the same thing about Steam, but the bitching about that risk with Steam died down like 5 years ago.
Honestly, do you have any better suggestion about how things should be run?
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Does this have implications for running a public tournament? I heard that Blizzard can claim rights over any group (e.g. TL, university, church, whatever) that tries to run and cast a sc2 tourney. Is a casted tournament considered user created content in-game?
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Wow, they've changed it? Everything? That's amazing, i'm slowly regaining my faith in Blizz.
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I'm just curious what they'd do with a program like WC3 Banlist. If I remember right any thrid party software was subject to account termination. Whether it got switched or not, clearly Blizzards identity has changed, but such is the world of business...
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On June 22 2010 21:39 sikyon wrote: I really don't see what the problem everyone has with EULAs is. It's a contract between you and a company. Unless it violates some fundamental law (ie you can't sell yourself into slavery), what's wrong with it? Furthermore, if you don't like it, just don't agree to it. It's not like you have a right to play computer games or use computer software. just because its a contract "agreed upon" by both parties doesnt mean it is legit. there are many situations where a court will not honor the contract even if the terms are not fundamentally wrong.
This is a real example from Microsoft's EULA on Windows 7
"By using the software, you accept these terms. If you do not accept them, do not use the software. Instead, contact the manufacturer or installer to determine its return policy. You must comply with that policy, which might limit your rights or require you to return the entire system on which the software is installed."
So basically, the moment you open a PC and see the EULA, you've already lost your rights, no matter whether you agree (in which case Microsft fucks you over) or disagree with the EULA (in which case the manufacturer fucks you over).
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Once again does anyone know if this just applies to korea or all countries terms of use?
I can haz consumer rights?
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On June 23 2010 07:32 Archerofaiur wrote: Once again does anyone know if this just applies to korea or all countries terms of use?
I can haz consumer rights? the opinion came from KFTC so it applies to SK only. Blizz may or may not change their EULA for other regions. In fact, Blizz may not even change their Korean EULA. I know the article says they will change, but some one also said the "changed" version didnt really change much.
What really comes down to is whether the EULA will be honored by the courts if any litigation occurs.
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Correct me If I'm wrong but its impossible for blizz to have rights of any maps that someone made correct? The design is something you can up with. If blizz said they it belonged to them couldn't you just sue them for stealing ideas.
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On June 23 2010 08:32 CagedMind wrote: Correct me If I'm wrong but its impossible for blizz to have rights of any maps that someone made correct? The design is something you can up with. If blizz said they it belonged to them couldn't you just sue them for stealing ideas. normally, u r correct. the rights of a piece of creative work belongs to the author, unless the author assigns it to someone else. in this case blizz demands that you assign them that right.
this is normally the case when a piece of work is commissioned by a sponsor. ie. if a newspaper hire editors to write articles, its likely that the newspaper owns all the rights.
however, if some freelance person simply submits an article to a newspaper, he only granted rights of the newspaper to use his article. he remains the owner of the work.
imo, blizz's claim of ownership is weak, even if they state so in their EULA. as someone pointed out, if blizz can claim ownership of user created maps because it require SC2 to work, then Microsoft certainly can claim ownership of all works produced from Microsoft Word/Excel/PowerPoint, since those documents were only intended to be read/used with Microsoft products.
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