On October 15 2009 04:56 IntoTheWow wrote:
The Bisu fans tears... they are delicious.
The Bisu fans tears... they are delicious.
whabam! i lolled like a school girl.
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nitelight
United States16 Posts
On October 15 2009 04:56 IntoTheWow wrote: The Bisu fans tears... they are delicious. whabam! i lolled like a school girl. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36362 Posts
its not like hes won a bunch of them and its a big surprise he's eliminated | ||
BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On October 15 2009 05:37 QuakerOats wrote: Show nested quote + On October 15 2009 05:16 On_Slaught wrote: On October 14 2009 21:21 sauc wrote: He had no templars because shine just ran his mutas in his entire goon army and killed them, pvz is all about those templars now and they are an absolute joke to kill... once they are down even if he lost alot of mutas in the process the hydras alone will easily sweep any protoss army without ht's i don't know what protoss can do right now but they need to discover new strats I don't get lines like this. Have zerg been buffed in some way? Were HTs nerfed recently that I didn't know about? Yes, the maps aren't the most conducive to protoss victories, but the map didn't let all of his HTs get sniped. Don't blame the zerg for using their units better. Protoss needs to adapt. The races are the exact same as when the dragons ruled the world. The maps are different yes, but they do not account for all of this "imbalance" between z and p atm. A lot of that is on the players who refuse to do anything but FE into mass goons with a few HTs for good measure. Exactly this. Did Zergs cry PvZ imba when Bisu owned Savior with the FE? Well, maybe, I didn't play Starcraft then. But they adapted with new build orders, such as this one which involves using hydras and sniping high templars with mutas. It may be the case that ZvP is inherently imbalanced but it doesn't even seem like tosses are trying anything different. And maps don't have a whole lot to do with it IMO. Everyone was saying HBR was a toss map when it came out. 4th bases are really far away and hard to defend while the 3rd base is fairly easy to defend for the P. Zergs cried, then they adapted Protoss cried, and they'll adapt sooner or later. Everyone cried so why does it matter if Protoss does it now? | ||
DivinO
United States4796 Posts
These results are...wow. | ||
Sharp-eYe
Canada642 Posts
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On October 15 2009 08:10 Sharp-eYe wrote: im gonna go cry in a corner for a certain player ForGG? | ||
CorsairHero
Canada9488 Posts
On October 15 2009 08:04 BanZu wrote: Show nested quote + On October 15 2009 05:37 QuakerOats wrote: On October 15 2009 05:16 On_Slaught wrote: On October 14 2009 21:21 sauc wrote: He had no templars because shine just ran his mutas in his entire goon army and killed them, pvz is all about those templars now and they are an absolute joke to kill... once they are down even if he lost alot of mutas in the process the hydras alone will easily sweep any protoss army without ht's i don't know what protoss can do right now but they need to discover new strats I don't get lines like this. Have zerg been buffed in some way? Were HTs nerfed recently that I didn't know about? Yes, the maps aren't the most conducive to protoss victories, but the map didn't let all of his HTs get sniped. Don't blame the zerg for using their units better. Protoss needs to adapt. The races are the exact same as when the dragons ruled the world. The maps are different yes, but they do not account for all of this "imbalance" between z and p atm. A lot of that is on the players who refuse to do anything but FE into mass goons with a few HTs for good measure. Exactly this. Did Zergs cry PvZ imba when Bisu owned Savior with the FE? Well, maybe, I didn't play Starcraft then. But they adapted with new build orders, such as this one which involves using hydras and sniping high templars with mutas. It may be the case that ZvP is inherently imbalanced but it doesn't even seem like tosses are trying anything different. And maps don't have a whole lot to do with it IMO. Everyone was saying HBR was a toss map when it came out. 4th bases are really far away and hard to defend while the 3rd base is fairly easy to defend for the P. Zergs cried, then they adapted Protoss cried, and they'll adapt sooner or later. Everyone cried so why does it matter if Protoss does it now? the answer is. DARK ARCHON!!111! | ||
nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On October 15 2009 06:09 Hinanawi wrote: Bisu IS clearly a beast, he recently beat both Jaedong and Flash, he just needs to get better at dominating noobs so things like this don't happen... Actually he needs to work on his individual league stability. He ate noobs for breakfast in the previous PL so crushing A/B players shouldn't be his problem. Maybe he has a Bo3/Bo5 weakness? I do hope he manages to pull himself together and get to MSL final though. He's the only decent protoss out there at the moment. Stork seems to be recovering, but well, lets just say he's still Stork. Jangbi and Kal are having ups and downs. | ||
Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On October 15 2009 08:04 BanZu wrote: Show nested quote + On October 15 2009 05:37 QuakerOats wrote: On October 15 2009 05:16 On_Slaught wrote: On October 14 2009 21:21 sauc wrote: He had no templars because shine just ran his mutas in his entire goon army and killed them, pvz is all about those templars now and they are an absolute joke to kill... once they are down even if he lost alot of mutas in the process the hydras alone will easily sweep any protoss army without ht's i don't know what protoss can do right now but they need to discover new strats I don't get lines like this. Have zerg been buffed in some way? Were HTs nerfed recently that I didn't know about? Yes, the maps aren't the most conducive to protoss victories, but the map didn't let all of his HTs get sniped. Don't blame the zerg for using their units better. Protoss needs to adapt. The races are the exact same as when the dragons ruled the world. The maps are different yes, but they do not account for all of this "imbalance" between z and p atm. A lot of that is on the players who refuse to do anything but FE into mass goons with a few HTs for good measure. Exactly this. Did Zergs cry PvZ imba when Bisu owned Savior with the FE? Well, maybe, I didn't play Starcraft then. But they adapted with new build orders, such as this one which involves using hydras and sniping high templars with mutas. It may be the case that ZvP is inherently imbalanced but it doesn't even seem like tosses are trying anything different. And maps don't have a whole lot to do with it IMO. Everyone was saying HBR was a toss map when it came out. 4th bases are really far away and hard to defend while the 3rd base is fairly easy to defend for the P. Zergs cried, then they adapted Protoss cried, and they'll adapt sooner or later. Everyone cried so why does it matter if Protoss does it now? now? protoss has cried nonstop for years actually, I take that back; there was like a month after Bisu beat Savior that protoss players ceased the crying. | ||
Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
On October 15 2009 08:04 BanZu wrote: Show nested quote + On October 15 2009 05:37 QuakerOats wrote: On October 15 2009 05:16 On_Slaught wrote: On October 14 2009 21:21 sauc wrote: He had no templars because shine just ran his mutas in his entire goon army and killed them, pvz is all about those templars now and they are an absolute joke to kill... once they are down even if he lost alot of mutas in the process the hydras alone will easily sweep any protoss army without ht's i don't know what protoss can do right now but they need to discover new strats I don't get lines like this. Have zerg been buffed in some way? Were HTs nerfed recently that I didn't know about? Yes, the maps aren't the most conducive to protoss victories, but the map didn't let all of his HTs get sniped. Don't blame the zerg for using their units better. Protoss needs to adapt. The races are the exact same as when the dragons ruled the world. The maps are different yes, but they do not account for all of this "imbalance" between z and p atm. A lot of that is on the players who refuse to do anything but FE into mass goons with a few HTs for good measure. Exactly this. Did Zergs cry PvZ imba when Bisu owned Savior with the FE? Well, maybe, I didn't play Starcraft then. But they adapted with new build orders, such as this one which involves using hydras and sniping high templars with mutas. It may be the case that ZvP is inherently imbalanced but it doesn't even seem like tosses are trying anything different. And maps don't have a whole lot to do with it IMO. Everyone was saying HBR was a toss map when it came out. 4th bases are really far away and hard to defend while the 3rd base is fairly easy to defend for the P. Zergs cried, then they adapted Protoss cried, and they'll adapt sooner or later. Everyone cried so why does it matter if Protoss does it now? When zergs cried, protoss told them to be quiet. We are merely fulfilling the cycle. The problem is mostly mutas, Calm vs Backho+Movie, Much vs Type-b, tonight's games. Mutas were the downfall. I'd personally wait a bit to see if the pros get good at incorporating DAs in their build. | ||
arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On October 15 2009 08:04 BanZu wrote: Show nested quote + On October 15 2009 05:37 QuakerOats wrote: On October 15 2009 05:16 On_Slaught wrote: On October 14 2009 21:21 sauc wrote: He had no templars because shine just ran his mutas in his entire goon army and killed them, pvz is all about those templars now and they are an absolute joke to kill... once they are down even if he lost alot of mutas in the process the hydras alone will easily sweep any protoss army without ht's i don't know what protoss can do right now but they need to discover new strats I don't get lines like this. Have zerg been buffed in some way? Were HTs nerfed recently that I didn't know about? Yes, the maps aren't the most conducive to protoss victories, but the map didn't let all of his HTs get sniped. Don't blame the zerg for using their units better. Protoss needs to adapt. The races are the exact same as when the dragons ruled the world. The maps are different yes, but they do not account for all of this "imbalance" between z and p atm. A lot of that is on the players who refuse to do anything but FE into mass goons with a few HTs for good measure. Exactly this. Did Zergs cry PvZ imba when Bisu owned Savior with the FE? Well, maybe, I didn't play Starcraft then. But they adapted with new build orders, such as this one which involves using hydras and sniping high templars with mutas. It may be the case that ZvP is inherently imbalanced but it doesn't even seem like tosses are trying anything different. And maps don't have a whole lot to do with it IMO. Everyone was saying HBR was a toss map when it came out. 4th bases are really far away and hard to defend while the 3rd base is fairly easy to defend for the P. Zergs cried, then they adapted Protoss cried, and they'll adapt sooner or later. Everyone cried so why does it matter if Protoss does it now? Terrans didnt cry because we are the most manly race. | ||
Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
u simply had soo much more "good times", so plz dont bash us toss players for being pissed off about us always being behind whenever a metagame shift occurs. in the history of pvz, protoss had to take it in the butt for about 60% of the time, and about 30% of the time it was pretty much an even matchup. i guess me and most of the other protoss fans are just distressed because almost every korean toss pro sucks at pvz or is not anyway near s-class level in general. bisu pretty much was our only hope. i guess thats why so many ppl, including myself, consider this one game, this one player failing as an indicator of a much bigger issue. but well, time will tell... | ||
Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On October 15 2009 08:03 Hot_Bid wrote: seriously, oh no Bisu missed an OSL, shit happens its not like hes won a bunch of them and its a big surprise he's eliminated Oh, absolutely. No problem whatsoever that the only Protoss who's not getting dominated by Zergs right now got eliminated in the first round. After all, he's just one player. The one good Protoss player. I suppose TvZ is still entertaining to watch, at least. | ||
usopsama
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
And wat about really v shine and shine v bisu. | ||
Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
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mtmf
Brazil420 Posts
On October 15 2009 10:31 MuffinDude wrote: Did pusan 2 - 0 canata or 2 - 1 canata? And wat about really v shine and shine v bisu. According to TLPD: Pusan 2 - 0 fOrGG Pusan 2 - 1 Canata (LWW) Shine 2 - 1 Really (WLW) Shine 2 - 1 Bisu (WLW) | ||
AltaiR_
Korea (South)922 Posts
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