also i predict the rebirth of the flash vs. jaedong rivalry cause of anti-toss maps and a hopefully reinvigorated flash eventually meeting a very-in-form jaedong

Iplaythings

Denmark9110 Posts

October 15 2009 07:25 GMT

#943

On October 15 2009 04:56 IntoTheWow wrote:
The Bisu fans tears... they are delicious.

thunk

United States6233 Posts

October 15 2009 07:55 GMT

#944

God this OSL sucks. Already.

BanZu

United States3329 Posts

October 15 2009 07:56 GMT

#945

On October 15 2009 09:03 Avidkeystamper wrote:

Show nested quote +

When zergs cried, protoss told them to be quiet.
We are merely fulfilling the cycle.

The problem is mostly mutas, Calm vs Backho+Movie, Much vs Type-b, tonight's games. Mutas were the downfall. I'd personally wait a bit to see if the pros get good at incorporating DAs in their build.

Because Protoss started dominating Zerg for the first time EVER. Zerg had their time since the beginning of StarCraft. Protoss finally got to even out with Zerg after Bisu's MSL Final with sAviOr and only recently started beating Zerg more often.

Now it's back to being ridiculously stacked Z>P.

Zerg happens to adapt super quickly too whereas Protoss took ages to come up with a player like Bisu to shift the tides.

Camlito

Australia4040 Posts

October 15 2009 08:30 GMT

#946

On October 15 2009 16:56 BanZu wrote:

Show nested quote +

On October 15 2009 09:03 Avidkeystamper wrote:

On October 15 2009 08:04 BanZu wrote:

On October 15 2009 05:37 QuakerOats wrote:

On October 15 2009 05:16 On_Slaught wrote:

On October 14 2009 21:21 sauc wrote:
He had no templars because shine just ran his mutas in his entire goon army and killed them, pvz is all about those templars now and they are an absolute joke to kill... once they are down even if he lost alot of mutas in the process the hydras alone will easily sweep any protoss army without ht's i don't know what protoss can do right now but they need to discover new strats

I don't get lines like this.

Have zerg been buffed in some way? Were HTs nerfed recently that I didn't know about?

Yes, the maps aren't the most conducive to protoss victories, but the map didn't let all of his HTs get sniped. Don't blame the zerg for using their units better. Protoss needs to adapt. The races are the exact same as when the dragons ruled the world. The maps are different yes, but they do not account for all of this "imbalance" between z and p atm. A lot of that is on the players who refuse to do anything but FE into mass goons with a few HTs for good measure.

Exactly this. Did Zergs cry PvZ imba when Bisu owned Savior with the FE? Well, maybe, I didn't play Starcraft then. But they adapted with new build orders, such as this one which involves using hydras and sniping high templars with mutas. It may be the case that ZvP is inherently imbalanced but it doesn't even seem like tosses are trying anything different. And maps don't have a whole lot to do with it IMO. Everyone was saying HBR was a toss map when it came out. 4th bases are really far away and hard to defend while the 3rd base is fairly easy to defend for the P.

Zergs cried, then they adapted

Protoss cried, and they'll adapt sooner or later.

Everyone cried so why does it matter if Protoss does it now?

beginning of SC? lol??? Zerg didn't win an OSL till July > Reach in 2004 and an MSL until GoRush > Nada in YATGK

And freemura wasn't fully zerg, or atleast didn't play it in his OSL final

Zato-1

Chile4253 Posts

October 15 2009 10:43 GMT

#947

On October 15 2009 10:31 Xiphos wrote:
OKAY I am offically rooting for ANY Protoss player to win either OSL/MSL.

I'm rooting for any protoss player to make it into OSL Ro8. The chances of Protoss actually winning the tournament are very remote.

BookTwo

1985 Posts

October 15 2009 10:51 GMT

#948

bisu fanboys need to let this thread die in peace.

Balfazar

Australia483 Posts

October 15 2009 14:06 GMT

#949

If there wasn't an easily defendable 3rd gas all the time then the 3 hat -> 5 hat build wouldn't have the gas for the tech switches that fuck protoss, HBR is a PvZ graveyard, less gas heavy maps will fix the balance.

Velr

Switzerland10861 Posts

October 15 2009 14:08 GMT

#950

Or just screw it the other way around.

Simplistik

2095 Posts

October 15 2009 17:19 GMT

#951

Sad day for Protoss.

fanatacist

10319 Posts

October 15 2009 18:07 GMT

#952

WHAT THE FUCK BISU, WHAT THE FUCK

It's the maps right? RIGHT?! T____T;

jalstar

United States8198 Posts

October 15 2009 18:51 GMT

#953

pusan in the osl but not bisu lol

yeah i'm late, i just watched nuke's commentary of it and i don't know if i agree with his suggestion for protoss to go dark archon, jangbi got owned pretty bad with it.

zuqbu

Germany797 Posts

October 15 2009 19:05 GMT

#954

On October 15 2009 16:55 thunk wrote:
God this OSL sucks. Already.

why? nobody with a chance to win the final got eliminated yet.

Avidkeystamper

United States8556 Posts

October 15 2009 23:58 GMT

#955

I just watched game 3 and I have a few questions.
Where did Bisu's corsairs go and why did he get zealot speed so late? The zealots couldn't funnel from behind the dragoons fast enough to do anything.