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nitelight
Profile Joined July 2009
United States16 Posts
October 14 2009 22:59 GMT
#921
On October 15 2009 04:56 IntoTheWow wrote:
The Bisu fans tears... they are delicious.


whabam! i lolled like a school girl.
"it's always night or we wouldn't need light" - thelonius monk
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
October 14 2009 23:03 GMT
#922
seriously, oh no Bisu missed an OSL, shit happens

its not like hes won a bunch of them and its a big surprise he's eliminated
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BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
October 14 2009 23:04 GMT
#923
On October 15 2009 05:37 QuakerOats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2009 05:16 On_Slaught wrote:
On October 14 2009 21:21 sauc wrote:
He had no templars because shine just ran his mutas in his entire goon army and killed them, pvz is all about those templars now and they are an absolute joke to kill... once they are down even if he lost alot of mutas in the process the hydras alone will easily sweep any protoss army without ht's i don't know what protoss can do right now but they need to discover new strats


I don't get lines like this.

Have zerg been buffed in some way? Were HTs nerfed recently that I didn't know about?

Yes, the maps aren't the most conducive to protoss victories, but the map didn't let all of his HTs get sniped. Don't blame the zerg for using their units better. Protoss needs to adapt. The races are the exact same as when the dragons ruled the world. The maps are different yes, but they do not account for all of this "imbalance" between z and p atm. A lot of that is on the players who refuse to do anything but FE into mass goons with a few HTs for good measure.


Exactly this. Did Zergs cry PvZ imba when Bisu owned Savior with the FE? Well, maybe, I didn't play Starcraft then. But they adapted with new build orders, such as this one which involves using hydras and sniping high templars with mutas. It may be the case that ZvP is inherently imbalanced but it doesn't even seem like tosses are trying anything different. And maps don't have a whole lot to do with it IMO. Everyone was saying HBR was a toss map when it came out. 4th bases are really far away and hard to defend while the 3rd base is fairly easy to defend for the P.

Zergs cried, then they adapted

Protoss cried, and they'll adapt sooner or later.

Everyone cried so why does it matter if Protoss does it now?
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
October 14 2009 23:06 GMT
#924
Wow.

These results are...wow.
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
Sharp-eYe
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada642 Posts
October 14 2009 23:10 GMT
#925
im gonna go cry in a corner for a certain player
Are you truly so blinded by your vaunted religion, that you can't see the fall ahead of you? - Zeratul III AKA WikidSik ingame (anygame)
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
October 14 2009 23:11 GMT
#926
On October 15 2009 08:10 Sharp-eYe wrote:
im gonna go cry in a corner for a certain player

ForGG?
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
October 14 2009 23:14 GMT
#927
On October 15 2009 08:04 BanZu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2009 05:37 QuakerOats wrote:
On October 15 2009 05:16 On_Slaught wrote:
On October 14 2009 21:21 sauc wrote:
He had no templars because shine just ran his mutas in his entire goon army and killed them, pvz is all about those templars now and they are an absolute joke to kill... once they are down even if he lost alot of mutas in the process the hydras alone will easily sweep any protoss army without ht's i don't know what protoss can do right now but they need to discover new strats


I don't get lines like this.

Have zerg been buffed in some way? Were HTs nerfed recently that I didn't know about?

Yes, the maps aren't the most conducive to protoss victories, but the map didn't let all of his HTs get sniped. Don't blame the zerg for using their units better. Protoss needs to adapt. The races are the exact same as when the dragons ruled the world. The maps are different yes, but they do not account for all of this "imbalance" between z and p atm. A lot of that is on the players who refuse to do anything but FE into mass goons with a few HTs for good measure.


Exactly this. Did Zergs cry PvZ imba when Bisu owned Savior with the FE? Well, maybe, I didn't play Starcraft then. But they adapted with new build orders, such as this one which involves using hydras and sniping high templars with mutas. It may be the case that ZvP is inherently imbalanced but it doesn't even seem like tosses are trying anything different. And maps don't have a whole lot to do with it IMO. Everyone was saying HBR was a toss map when it came out. 4th bases are really far away and hard to defend while the 3rd base is fairly easy to defend for the P.

Zergs cried, then they adapted

Protoss cried, and they'll adapt sooner or later.

Everyone cried so why does it matter if Protoss does it now?

the answer is.
DARK ARCHON!!111!
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nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
October 14 2009 23:24 GMT
#928
On October 15 2009 06:09 Hinanawi wrote:
Bisu IS clearly a beast, he recently beat both Jaedong and Flash, he just needs to get better at dominating noobs so things like this don't happen...

Actually he needs to work on his individual league stability. He ate noobs for breakfast in the previous PL so crushing A/B players shouldn't be his problem.

Maybe he has a Bo3/Bo5 weakness?

I do hope he manages to pull himself together and get to MSL final though. He's the only decent protoss out there at the moment. Stork seems to be recovering, but well, lets just say he's still Stork. Jangbi and Kal are having ups and downs.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-14 23:37:29
October 14 2009 23:36 GMT
#929
On October 15 2009 08:04 BanZu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2009 05:37 QuakerOats wrote:
On October 15 2009 05:16 On_Slaught wrote:
On October 14 2009 21:21 sauc wrote:
He had no templars because shine just ran his mutas in his entire goon army and killed them, pvz is all about those templars now and they are an absolute joke to kill... once they are down even if he lost alot of mutas in the process the hydras alone will easily sweep any protoss army without ht's i don't know what protoss can do right now but they need to discover new strats


I don't get lines like this.

Have zerg been buffed in some way? Were HTs nerfed recently that I didn't know about?

Yes, the maps aren't the most conducive to protoss victories, but the map didn't let all of his HTs get sniped. Don't blame the zerg for using their units better. Protoss needs to adapt. The races are the exact same as when the dragons ruled the world. The maps are different yes, but they do not account for all of this "imbalance" between z and p atm. A lot of that is on the players who refuse to do anything but FE into mass goons with a few HTs for good measure.


Exactly this. Did Zergs cry PvZ imba when Bisu owned Savior with the FE? Well, maybe, I didn't play Starcraft then. But they adapted with new build orders, such as this one which involves using hydras and sniping high templars with mutas. It may be the case that ZvP is inherently imbalanced but it doesn't even seem like tosses are trying anything different. And maps don't have a whole lot to do with it IMO. Everyone was saying HBR was a toss map when it came out. 4th bases are really far away and hard to defend while the 3rd base is fairly easy to defend for the P.

Zergs cried, then they adapted

Protoss cried, and they'll adapt sooner or later.

Everyone cried so why does it matter if Protoss does it now?


now? protoss has cried nonstop for years

actually, I take that back; there was like a month after Bisu beat Savior that protoss players ceased the crying.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-15 00:03:52
October 15 2009 00:03 GMT
#930
On October 15 2009 08:04 BanZu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2009 05:37 QuakerOats wrote:
On October 15 2009 05:16 On_Slaught wrote:
On October 14 2009 21:21 sauc wrote:
He had no templars because shine just ran his mutas in his entire goon army and killed them, pvz is all about those templars now and they are an absolute joke to kill... once they are down even if he lost alot of mutas in the process the hydras alone will easily sweep any protoss army without ht's i don't know what protoss can do right now but they need to discover new strats


I don't get lines like this.

Have zerg been buffed in some way? Were HTs nerfed recently that I didn't know about?

Yes, the maps aren't the most conducive to protoss victories, but the map didn't let all of his HTs get sniped. Don't blame the zerg for using their units better. Protoss needs to adapt. The races are the exact same as when the dragons ruled the world. The maps are different yes, but they do not account for all of this "imbalance" between z and p atm. A lot of that is on the players who refuse to do anything but FE into mass goons with a few HTs for good measure.


Exactly this. Did Zergs cry PvZ imba when Bisu owned Savior with the FE? Well, maybe, I didn't play Starcraft then. But they adapted with new build orders, such as this one which involves using hydras and sniping high templars with mutas. It may be the case that ZvP is inherently imbalanced but it doesn't even seem like tosses are trying anything different. And maps don't have a whole lot to do with it IMO. Everyone was saying HBR was a toss map when it came out. 4th bases are really far away and hard to defend while the 3rd base is fairly easy to defend for the P.

Zergs cried, then they adapted

Protoss cried, and they'll adapt sooner or later.

Everyone cried so why does it matter if Protoss does it now?

When zergs cried, protoss told them to be quiet.
We are merely fulfilling the cycle.

The problem is mostly mutas, Calm vs Backho+Movie, Much vs Type-b, tonight's games. Mutas were the downfall. I'd personally wait a bit to see if the pros get good at incorporating DAs in their build.
Jaedong
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
October 15 2009 00:07 GMT
#931
On October 15 2009 08:04 BanZu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2009 05:37 QuakerOats wrote:
On October 15 2009 05:16 On_Slaught wrote:
On October 14 2009 21:21 sauc wrote:
He had no templars because shine just ran his mutas in his entire goon army and killed them, pvz is all about those templars now and they are an absolute joke to kill... once they are down even if he lost alot of mutas in the process the hydras alone will easily sweep any protoss army without ht's i don't know what protoss can do right now but they need to discover new strats


I don't get lines like this.

Have zerg been buffed in some way? Were HTs nerfed recently that I didn't know about?

Yes, the maps aren't the most conducive to protoss victories, but the map didn't let all of his HTs get sniped. Don't blame the zerg for using their units better. Protoss needs to adapt. The races are the exact same as when the dragons ruled the world. The maps are different yes, but they do not account for all of this "imbalance" between z and p atm. A lot of that is on the players who refuse to do anything but FE into mass goons with a few HTs for good measure.


Exactly this. Did Zergs cry PvZ imba when Bisu owned Savior with the FE? Well, maybe, I didn't play Starcraft then. But they adapted with new build orders, such as this one which involves using hydras and sniping high templars with mutas. It may be the case that ZvP is inherently imbalanced but it doesn't even seem like tosses are trying anything different. And maps don't have a whole lot to do with it IMO. Everyone was saying HBR was a toss map when it came out. 4th bases are really far away and hard to defend while the 3rd base is fairly easy to defend for the P.

Zergs cried, then they adapted

Protoss cried, and they'll adapt sooner or later.

Everyone cried so why does it matter if Protoss does it now?

Terrans didnt cry because we are the most manly race.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
October 15 2009 00:16 GMT
#932
dammit i hate shine kal >_<
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-15 00:26:53
October 15 2009 00:25 GMT
#933
zergs didnt cry too much after bisus 3-0 over savior because they had just wittnessed one year of total zvp domination. with the exception of the taekbang era, which lasted only for about 6 months, protoss has never been the dominant race in over 8 years of fully developed pro sc. zerg had over 1 year of saviors reign, they had the last 6 months, they had july buttraping pretty much every protoss he faces for the past 5 years and so on.

u simply had soo much more "good times", so plz dont bash us toss players for being pissed off about us always being behind whenever a metagame shift occurs. in the history of pvz, protoss had to take it in the butt for about 60% of the time, and about 30% of the time it was pretty much an even matchup. i guess me and most of the other protoss fans are just distressed because almost every korean toss pro sucks at pvz or is not anyway near s-class level in general. bisu pretty much was our only hope. i guess thats why so many ppl, including myself, consider this one game, this one player failing as an indicator of a much bigger issue. but well, time will tell...
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-15 01:08:11
October 15 2009 00:58 GMT
#934
On October 15 2009 08:03 Hot_Bid wrote:
seriously, oh no Bisu missed an OSL, shit happens

its not like hes won a bunch of them and its a big surprise he's eliminated

Oh, absolutely. No problem whatsoever that the only Protoss who's not getting dominated by Zergs right now got eliminated in the first round. After all, he's just one player. The one good Protoss player.

I suppose TvZ is still entertaining to watch, at least.
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usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
October 15 2009 01:12 GMT
#935
Wtf. I would rather have either Really or Bisu than Shine.
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
October 15 2009 01:31 GMT
#936
Did pusan 2 - 0 canata or 2 - 1 canata?

And wat about really v shine and shine v bisu.
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
October 15 2009 01:31 GMT
#937
OKAY I am offically rooting for ANY Protoss player to win either OSL/MSL.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
October 15 2009 01:38 GMT
#938
FUCK YEAH PUSAN.
mtmf
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Brazil420 Posts
October 15 2009 01:38 GMT
#939
On October 15 2009 10:31 MuffinDude wrote:
Did pusan 2 - 0 canata or 2 - 1 canata?

And wat about really v shine and shine v bisu.

According to TLPD:

(P)Pusan 2 - 0 (T)fOrGG
(P)Pusan 2 - 1 (T)Canata (LWW)

(Z)Shine 2 - 1 (T)Really (WLW)
(Z)Shine 2 - 1 (P)Bisu (WLW)
(–_–)
AltaiR_
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Korea (South)922 Posts
October 15 2009 02:51 GMT
#940
anybody know the intro song with the guitar riff?
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