Power Rank 11/10/2008 - Page 33
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OneOther
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Dazed.
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On December 02 2008 11:49 Kula wrote: Exactly. Flash and Jaedongs placement were decided in one game purely on how Jaedong responded to a mech build. If they are neck and neck, like you said, even a proleague record should justify who gets #1 and #2. @Oneother: Thanks for clarifying your opinons, I misinterpreted them, though I still [respectfully] disagree. | ||
OneOther
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Kula
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But, with rules that change with each new [Monthly]Power Rank, anything can be justified to have Stork on top. | ||
Sentenal
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On December 02 2008 11:51 OneOther wrote: nope, stork was ahead because osl was tougher than msl. now they are neck and neck because of recent proleague results. Stork's OSL was tougher than Bisu's MSL, but Stork also had a harder time in his OSL (3-2 to Fantasy), than Bisu had in his MSL. Stork went like, 2-1 vs Bisu, 3-1 vs Best, 3-2 vs Fantasy. Bisu has gone 2-0 vs Hwasin, 3-0 vs FBH, 3-1 vs Free, 3-1 vs Jangbi. Point is that although Stork's OSL was indeed harder than Bisu's MSL, Bisu also tore through his MSL with little problem, while the same cannot be said of Stork's OSL run. Stork's run was harder, so he had a tougher time. Some close games, and close series. Bisu's MSL run was easier, and he just raped his opposition, and was never at a point where he had the chance of elimination. I think that should put their respective League wins as equal, in terms of measuring their skill from it. Then Proleague performance, which Bisu has been doing better with, would be the tipping point to Bisu. Lots of this stuff seems to be going in circles, I guess. I believe Bisu should be #1, but it is very close right now, so it could go either way. Stork needs to get some PL wins though, or Bisu needs to start dropping PL games. | ||
OneOther
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Sentenal
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OneOther
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On December 02 2008 12:37 Sentenal wrote: Stork's OSL was tougher than Bisu's MSL, but Stork also had a harder time in his OSL (3-2 to Fantasy), than Bisu had in his MSL. Stork went like, 2-1 vs Bisu, 3-1 vs Best, 3-2 vs Fantasy. Bisu has gone 2-0 vs Hwasin, 3-0 vs FBH, 3-1 vs Free, 3-1 vs Jangbi. Point is that although Stork's OSL was indeed harder than Bisu's MSL, Bisu also tore through his MSL with little problem, while the same cannot be said of Stork's OSL run. Stork's run was harder, so he had a tougher time. Some close games, and close series. Bisu's MSL run was easier, and he just raped his opposition, and was never at a point where he had the chance of elimination. I think that should put their respective League wins as equal, in terms of measuring their skill from it. Then Proleague performance, which Bisu has been doing better with, would be the tipping point to Bisu. Lots of this stuff seems to be going in circles, I guess. I believe Bisu should be #1, but it is very close right now, so it could go either way. Stork needs to get some PL wins though, or Bisu needs to start dropping PL games. i disagree. i realize that stork had a harder time in osl, but i don't see what the scores establishe besides proving that stork's osl was that much more difficult. i don't really care what the final scores were, as long as he wins. beating bisu/best/fantasy (he beat bisu himself lol), regardless of scores, is by far more impressive than beating fbh/free/jangbi. you could say my system is close to the college football's BCS. a team dropping only one game verses unranked teams is ranked lower than a team that losses two/three games with an extremely tough schedule. now that stork dropped some pl games, i believe they are too close to tell which one should be on top. On December 02 2008 12:43 Sentenal wrote: I thought Bisu equalized Stork's harder OSL by just raping his way through an easier MSL. again, i don't buy this. of course he will drop less games verses easier opponents..lol. what's your point? | ||
OneOther
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Sentenal
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If you look at Stork's OSL run, it was difficult for him. Close series, tough oppenents, things like that. He fought through it, but he didn't dominate the OSL. Bisu's MSL run had less tough opponents, but he dominated it. What I'm trying to say is this: Harder Starleague + Difficult run = Easier Starleague + Dominating run | ||
Avidkeystamper
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Bisu is carrying in PL for the first time in his career. His MSL was a joke with Free and Jangbi as semis and finals -__________-;; but respect for a title. As stupid as it sounds, Stork's OSL was before Bisu's MSL and Power Rank is a month by month thing, so really, only Stork vs Fantasy should be considered for PR. Strong show from both regardless, but Bisu has done more during november. I think we can agree on that? Plus, Hwasin, Firebathero, Free, Jangbi... lol? Bisu's MSL bracket looks like old loser's bracket of MSL no? LOL~~~ So what I'm trying to say is.... Best #1 for PR !! GOGO ANYTIMEEEEEE | ||
Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
On December 02 2008 13:16 SuperJongMan wrote: Power Rank is supposed to be a monthly thing, and I think it's pretty safe to say T1's Toss posterboy has crushed Khan's this month. Bisu is carrying in PL for the first time in his career. His MSL was a joke with Free and Jangbi as semis and finals -__________-;; but respect for a title. As stupid as it sounds, Stork's OSL was before Bisu's MSL and Power Rank is a month by month thing, so really, only Stork vs Fantasy should be considered for PR. Strong show from both regardless, but Bisu has done more during november. I think we can agree on that? Plus, Hwasin, Firebathero, Free, Jangbi... lol? Bisu's MSL bracket looks like old loser's bracket of MSL no? LOL~~~ So what I'm trying to say is.... Best #1 for PR !! GOGO ANYTIMEEEEEE The power rank has never been a solely monthly thing, where did you get this idea from? It's not even released monthly anymore. | ||
Hot_Bid
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stork beat bisu eight weeks ago in a very close 2-1 win where Bisu was up huge in the deciding game three. since then, we have seen little of stork's pvp other than losing to kal 2-3 and not doing well in PL. bisu however has beaten free 3-1 and jangbi 3-1, so the decision is pretty clear in my eyes, the December PR should have Bisu at #1 and Stork at #2. | ||
p4fn2w
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baubo
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On December 02 2008 13:30 Hot_Bid wrote: the question PR is supposed to answer, if deciding between two players, is who would win a Bo5 between them right now? OSL or no OSL, given their current levels it's pretty clear. stork beat bisu eight weeks ago in a very close 2-1 win where Bisu was up huge in the deciding game three. since then, we have seen little of stork's pvp other than losing to kal 2-3 and not doing well in PL. bisu however has beaten free 3-1 and jangbi 3-1, so the decision is pretty clear in my eyes, the December PR should have Bisu at #1 and Stork at #2. While I agree that Bisu should be #1(Stork just underperforming tremendously since his OSL win), this argument is flawed. Every player has weak and strong MUs. For example, Best and Stork would likely win a Bo5 against any terran on the planet, all the while can be utterly embarrased by mediocre zergs at any given time. So do they rate behind zergs or above terrans? Anyway, quite disappointed in Stork and Jaedong's recent slumps. Neither has been playing like they're invincible recently. They are my favorite players of their respective races, and it sucks to keep seeing them get owned by lesser players. | ||
MrHoon
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Best and Stork would likely win a Bo5 against any terran on the planet lolno | ||
raga4ka
Bulgaria5676 Posts
On December 02 2008 12:52 Sentenal wrote: We are using the OSL and MSL wins to Judge Stork and Bisu's skill, are we not? If you look at Stork's OSL run, it was difficult for him. Close series, tough oppenents, things like that. He fought through it, but he didn't dominate the OSL. Bisu's MSL run had less tough opponents, but he dominated it. What I'm trying to say is this: Harder Starleague + Difficult run = Easier Starleague + Dominating run No its not because in the difficult run Bisu can't win it , he got eliminated by Stork on the easy run he can FBH , Hwasin and some players that aren't known for their PvP ... | ||
raga4ka
Bulgaria5676 Posts
On December 02 2008 17:01 baubo wrote: While I agree that Bisu should be #1(Stork just underperforming tremendously since his OSL win), this argument is flawed. Every player has weak and strong MUs. For example, Best and Stork would likely win a Bo5 against any terran on the planet, all the while can be utterly embarrased by mediocre zergs at any given time. So do they rate behind zergs or above terrans? Anyway, quite disappointed in Stork and Jaedong's recent slumps. Neither has been playing like they're invincible recently. They are my favorite players of their respective races, and it sucks to keep seeing them get owned by lesser players. I don't think that Stork is underperforming tremendously he just lost 3 PvP's in PL to KaL Pusan and Movie who seems to be very good in PvP and Bisu lost to tazza so in PvP the mirror MU anything can happen not like TvT or ZvZ where clearly the more skilled players wins aka Flash or Jaedong ... I didn't know that protoss is all about PvP ... I wan't to see Bisu in PL vs a decent terran to see how he is performing . Stork did beat Nal_keke in Gom who at least managed to outmacro Best on Destination i'm thinking that no one is takeing GOM seriously and it doesn't change much in the PR until the finals come .... | ||
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