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On September 16 2016 06:59 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2016 06:35 Damdred wrote:
And honestly his postings today seem towny, he's going after a harder target that if he gets his lynch and you flip town vivax doesn't have room to maneuver his way somewhere else.
Ges fighting in a way that looks like town trying to get his point across. And idk if I have ever seen vivax fight like this as scum (NOT A GOOD POINT).
Besides that reads don't always make sense and vivax and hf were on the right lynch yesterday so I don't want to lynch either of you, Vivax's case is that HF is scum FOR moving on to the Shapelog lynch, so that's a pretty bad reason to lynch outside of them. Is there something you disagree with in his reasoning? This is a good summary: Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 07:44 Grackaroni wrote:
You voted Shapelog with skynk/tw/vivax after spending the better part of the EoD arguing these guys were mafia while also saying that the vs vote was a scum vote.
I don't see how you could ever agree with that lynch as town. Show nested quote +On September 14 2016 08:20 Grackaroni wrote:On September 14 2016 08:07 Holyflare wrote:On September 14 2016 07:44 Grackaroni wrote:
You voted Shapelog with skynk/tw/vivax after spending the better part of the EoD arguing these guys were mafia while also saying that the vs vote was a scum vote.
I don't see how you could ever agree with that lynch as town. I didn't vote with them i voted for myself. I also voted before Skynx had even said anything. Damdy sounded towny and I simply voted the counter wagon. I didn't like some of his filter, i thought the vote could be wifom to put people off a team mate too. Unless you think damdy is mafia too then I pretty much saved his life for no reason other than to look bad for voting with vivax who I'm not even scum reading incredibly much and less so if i decide damdred is town. Simple fact is i voted mafia when i didn't need to When you're voting of course you are going to be considering who else is pushing on the wagon. You can't tell me that isn't a part of your thought process. For the vengeful it doesn't look like that was what you were thinking pre-lynch. These were the only mentions of it. On September 14 2016 05:29 Holyflare wrote:
You're voting with a manipulated vote and expect to be town read? On September 14 2016 05:32 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax ignoring manipulated votes and actual posts in the game noted. I don't expect scum to always make smart decisions. I do expect town to make decisions consistent with their view of the game.
Why should I do something by someone else's logic instead of what I think on a situation?
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i voted the wagon that wasn't being town read by myself with 2 minutes to go
shocker
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On September 16 2016 07:09 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2016 06:59 Grackaroni wrote:On September 16 2016 06:35 Damdred wrote:
And honestly his postings today seem towny, he's going after a harder target that if he gets his lynch and you flip town vivax doesn't have room to maneuver his way somewhere else.
Ges fighting in a way that looks like town trying to get his point across. And idk if I have ever seen vivax fight like this as scum (NOT A GOOD POINT).
Besides that reads don't always make sense and vivax and hf were on the right lynch yesterday so I don't want to lynch either of you, Vivax's case is that HF is scum FOR moving on to the Shapelog lynch, so that's a pretty bad reason to lynch outside of them. Is there something you disagree with in his reasoning? This is a good summary: On September 14 2016 07:44 Grackaroni wrote:
You voted Shapelog with skynk/tw/vivax after spending the better part of the EoD arguing these guys were mafia while also saying that the vs vote was a scum vote.
I don't see how you could ever agree with that lynch as town. On September 14 2016 08:20 Grackaroni wrote:On September 14 2016 08:07 Holyflare wrote:On September 14 2016 07:44 Grackaroni wrote:
You voted Shapelog with skynk/tw/vivax after spending the better part of the EoD arguing these guys were mafia while also saying that the vs vote was a scum vote.
I don't see how you could ever agree with that lynch as town. I didn't vote with them i voted for myself. I also voted before Skynx had even said anything. Damdy sounded towny and I simply voted the counter wagon. I didn't like some of his filter, i thought the vote could be wifom to put people off a team mate too. Unless you think damdy is mafia too then I pretty much saved his life for no reason other than to look bad for voting with vivax who I'm not even scum reading incredibly much and less so if i decide damdred is town. Simple fact is i voted mafia when i didn't need to When you're voting of course you are going to be considering who else is pushing on the wagon. You can't tell me that isn't a part of your thought process. For the vengeful it doesn't look like that was what you were thinking pre-lynch. These were the only mentions of it. On September 14 2016 05:29 Holyflare wrote:
You're voting with a manipulated vote and expect to be town read? On September 14 2016 05:32 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax ignoring manipulated votes and actual posts in the game noted. I don't expect scum to always make smart decisions. I do expect town to make decisions consistent with their view of the game. Why should I do something by someone else's logic instead of what I think on a situation?
Because the logic is directly explaining why your "he voted on the right lynch so I don't want to lynch him" logic shouldn't be followed.
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Abd? Obviously I disagree with that stance today, unless you think that both mafia were on shape log at eod than we should look for that last mafia instead of arguing who's vote looks bad on the mafia we lynched.
There are two or three people's progression, who looks worse than either hf or vivax. And considering both flipped there read on me at one point during eod why is it such a big stretch that didn't influence them.
Generally my policy is to not lynch the people who were on a successful lynch unless red checked
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Can we make this a thing again?
On September 12 2016 06:47 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Damdred/HF is a very possible scum-team given how much they buddied D1. Damdred is scummy by himself, and both have scumslipped. TODAY WE LYNCH DAMDRED.
On September 12 2016 06:50 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 06:48 Holyflare wrote:
getting the setup wrong is the opposite of a scum slip you moron It's not getting the setup wrong, it's TMIing why Calix was killed. SCUMSLIP.
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Well killing me is already a thing right?
But just generally speaking I find mafia more to understand the setup than town when they aren't paying attention.
In any case fuba being scum makes sense with a calix kill and wanting a Damdred lynch goes along with a skynx kill (also could point to an hf/palmar/vivax scum to but I'm not so sure on that onr)
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On September 16 2016 07:58 Damdred wrote:
Well killing me is already a thing right?
But just generally speaking I find mafia more to understand the setup than town when they aren't paying attention.
In any case fuba being scum makes sense with a calix kill and wanting a Damdred lynch goes along with a skynx kill (also could point to an hf/palmar/vivax scum to but I'm not so sure on that onr)
I think there's already been a lot of good reasoning put out for why a HF lynch would be good.
If you want a Fuba lynch then go do the legwork.
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Nope I want a super lynch today.
Falling activity, really funky reasoning on tr shape when it looked like a chance I was the lynch set the manner down only to be thwarted in the last few seconds.
Then immediately jumped on the it being a scum v scum without even trying to discern my alignment (when he was leaning town earlier in the day).
The case on hf is interesting I give you that but I will not take part in that lynch_ (as I think he's still towny) and I don't think a lot of people will either.
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Have you all become fucking awful at this game since I left?
Why is it scummy to vote the only other alternative wagon when you start town reading the other one?
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I dunno about super I'm really hedging my bets with him and can't make a decision. I don't even know if his response to what I posted made sense. He comes in says some pointless stuff that looks like he doesn't particularly give a shit about the game and leaves again.
All you guys have to do is dismiss this vivax case as nai/towny and then ask him to start putting in more work.
Then you will see the truth.
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I guarantee it's just more copy paste of his fuba case
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In class atm, can't really talk.
Wanted to point out that it's really strange that vivax hasn't jumped on me at all, considering that I (at least in my mind and according to my own self-meta posted in this thread) basically claimed scum last night, and was his top scumread.
While I'm not complaining about it, since I actually am town, it's weird that no one (but particularly vivax, possibly superbia) caught it. Maybe I'm not as big a concern for people as I feel I should be given my activity and contributions this game. But for someone who had me as his top scum read, it feels weird that I was dropped (or at least shifted to secondary concern) after an admittedly lackluster performance at EoD.
While I could certainly see HF being a lynch priority if he is scum, I would consider myself a lock scum for vivax after last night.
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Uh what did you do last night?
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Yeh nobody seems to give a shit that vivax's mafia reads who voted to save mafia have dropped off the face of the earth.
If anyone believes vivax case tell me what you do in a situation where you have someone projecting town at lynch and the other wagon has a mediocre filter and his wagon is full of wifom and you can't possibly lynch anybody else in that time.
If your answer is anything other than vote to save town read then you're bad.
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Actually no this is tedious and fucking boring. You don't lynch either me or vivax today. Instead you force us to be as productive as you possibly can to get a proper read on us and force Mafia's hand.
I have no idea why people who keep spouting that vivax is lazy mafia and has no passion won't vote him to see if he becomes productive or keeps copy pasting his same old crap.
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As a gift to vivax i will leave my vote on him but push him no further. He is more than welcome to help solve the game without distraction.
My case is out there, vivax's case on me is out there, if you have questions about those specifics then ask and I will oblige.
For now I'll try and pump out some info.
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yeah today I want to lynch between damdred or palmar. mostly I scumread them and hf right now but hf is the only person (besides moi of course) who actually seems to give a shit about the game and I can't lynch into that, not yet. but everyone needs to do a way better job of not lurking because we are dangerously close to dead thread if everyone just wants to make 2 posts and then fuck off for the rest of the day
damdred or palmar, then. I like those options
though I've been thinking about the votecount EoD. it seems obvious to me that super and damdred are not together and vivax and damdred are not together, because if they are partners neither of their votes make sense. so if damdred is scum either his partner is palmar or fuba or hf. my reservation about a shape/damdred/fuba team and to a lesser extent a shape/damdred/palmar team is that in that case the scum team has had next to no thread pull this game.
my mind made a jump from verbalizing that last comment because I'm thinking "if mafia has no thread pull, why haven't we won the game already?" and the answer seems to be that a) mafia does have thread pull or b) we are on the cusp of winning the game. so all reads do indeed lead to hf or damdred or vivax, though I might venture to say just hf or vivax. shit maybe one of them does have to die today. hmmm. ignore the first part of this post, although those two are in my mind still the two scummiest in the game. shit happens man
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TW, make paragraphs ffs.
I've read/skimmed TW and HF's cases on Vivax and HF and neither convinced me. I think I will vote Damdred by default because I do not fathom why a Shapelog train was created so quickly at EoD. I definitely think there was bussing in there, as Calix and I are town, I tr fuba and am null on Palmar and Super.
I doubt the two mafia are in there, so I think that lynch was to keep the active player that was going to be lynched otherwise alive. I've asked this question earlier and my theory wasn't debunked.
Else, why would everyone be so eager to divert the train to Shape?
(If he slipped at EoD, correct me. I have skipped this part.)
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On September 16 2016 09:40 Holyflare wrote:
Uh what did you do last night?
Pointed out to superbia that the only people I really scumread if I'm mafia are my scum mates because I have trouble lying. Then I only really gave any kind of analysis for two reads - a town read on superbia and a scum read on shape (which even at the time I admit is weird because everyone's talking about damdred). I then vote damdred despite having an actual scumread. My scumread ends up being lynched while I sat idly on the other wagon, and he was scum.
Guess I was the only one to see it because I was experiencing it firsthand? But it was so absurdly coincidental at the time that I literally started laughing. Was waiting for a vig shot that I didn't even realize at the time couldn't be coming.
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