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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On September 12 2016 09:52 Holyflare wrote: I can talk about other people tomorrow but unless you counter an argument, the entire point of playing a game of mafia, then I won't change my vote. You'll find me much more reasonable to talk to/discuss cases with tomorrow. I'm busier during the weekdays, but I will try to find some spare time to sit down and counter your arguments. Would help if you could quote specific posts so I don't have to look back in your filter. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On September 12 2016 09:54 Holyflare wrote: Unless you give more than fear mongering and rhetoric with 0 reasons he could be town then same as above no dice. Calix has done that. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
Either way yes yes damdred. | ||
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
my big scumtell is a lack of care, typically characterized by long spats if not posting and low involvement except when defending myself. in four scum games my longest filter was 6 pages. I think I'm past that already and it's hardly D2. I also have trouble pushing for mislynches. I tried in my last 2 but ultimately they were weak pushes and I gave up on them by the end of the cycle. for real I just don't play this well as scum. if you could call this "well". and what frustrates me is that this game and last game people have ignored that and applied generic site meta for me. not every player plays like a townie is Supposed To. that is all | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
I do like that you are (?) self-aware of your play though I do not know if the points you made are true as this is the first time I've played with you. You definitely act more like a town than a scum, I will say that. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
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fuba
United States663 Posts
I'm glad I stopped tunneling you NU, I really liked your last few posts. The stuff about a TW lynch feeling a lot like the TT lynch was exactly what I was thinking at the moment. At least as it pertains to HF. Not saying it makes him scummy, it just has the exact same feeling to it. And if you want my response to the calix NK, it's generally that very few conclusions can be drawn. That's not to say I have no ideas about why it was done, but there's no way to narrow it down from 50 possibilities to even a reasonable fraction of them, so I'm not gonna throw my speculation out there XD Was gonna call vivax out for trying to get HF to fight his battles for him, but I reread his filter really quick and it actually seems like his read on me has been fluctuating pretty reasonably all game. Incorrect whenever he thinks I'm scum, but I can see the thought behind it, and I think I can remember the approximate timing of most of the posts and I can understand them. He doesn't really push too hard, but at least I think I can see a townie thought process. Also, without having reread any cases on anyone, so many of TW's posts feel like posts that I make or have made as town that I have trouble really seeing him as scum. He seems better able to let himself post freely, regardless of the consequences, than I do, but I feel some kind of "bad townie" (for lack of a better term) kinship. Oh, and I really, really wouldn't rely too much on the ghosts or speculation about it. Like, anyone who knows scott shadowed HF or whatever could have set up that little code. Scum can control the LW and scum can control the votes. I don't want to lose because we trust in something we know that scum will try to use against us. Yay townreads! Scum will come once I have the time to reread more filters XD (should be around the second half of D2 :S) | ||
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fuba
United States663 Posts
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
On September 12 2016 10:19 Grackaroni wrote: Alright maybe I didn't solve the game. This game is going to be hard. His posting just seems very genuine, and I don't actually think my case on HF was any better than his case. I'm pretty sure HF has already pushed on four townies this game in TT/Calix/NU/TW. I do think that mafia should be more likely to actually read through the setup to figure out their night actions, so saying that mafia were afraid of a medic could be a point in people's favor. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
On September 11 2016 01:54 Damdred wrote: It's cause I'm town and the scum team is scared of me. Boo. Also think palmar might be town rip the dream. On September 11 2016 03:14 Damdred wrote: Palmar can have a date with the noose Monday but not really going to consider him on a weekend and that's the main reason. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9832 Posts
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
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Superbia
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
Pro-tip: not one of them is doing stuff on their own. ok maybe not 100%, but it'd be awesome. On September 12 2016 10:25 Grackaroni wrote: If Palmar doesn't do anything tomorrow we kill him. On September 12 2016 06:56 Vivax wrote: Tbh I'm mostly waiting for Palmar to most something super smart, today I have enacted my zero tolerance policy for vets (fascist policy). If we enact more of these fascist policies we get to shoot Palmar, who I think could be Hitler, and outright win this game. Curse that last will for making me think all of this. On September 11 2016 03:14 Damdred wrote: Palmar can have a date with the noose Monday but not really going to consider him on a weekend and that's the main reason. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On September 11 2016 06:17 Damdred wrote: Palmar hopping off like he did could be distancing and trying not to get to Mich attention but I am unsure of that. This is one of the worst quotes in the game. There is no way Damdred believes I am bad enough to think that somehow randomly jumping off a wagon would actually work as distancing. I was for the TT lynch, it was even a pretty good lynch. But I had good reason to move to TW. scumpile | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On September 12 2016 09:07 Tumblewood wrote: the premise of this argument is that hf is scum. using the premise as backup, we can easily conclude that hf is indeed scum. anyway known to some as holyflare, to others as hf, to his rl friends by some stupid rl name, but to tl as lynchbait slayer. first, I propose a question to you, reader: can you make an accurate read on someone based off of just five posts? the answer is no, holyflare. no. this is basic stuff. honestly. tt doesn't have a meta like marv of making 2 posts and then quitting as scum. that doesn't even matter though, because the basis of hf's attack was completely unrelated to the fact that tt was afk. it was, in fact, a dissection of tt's five total posts. and not a point about how he was a great policy lynch for his lack of posting. hmmm throughout the game, hf shows a willingness to favor painting every road as leading to tt is scum over thinking critically about his alignment, and generally not being a jackass. you might expect that this case would have quotes, but hf's filter is probably 50 million pages and also my arguments that involve quotes usually result in me missing the point of the argument or, worse, doubting my original read. this is a reminder to go read grack's case. it is better. hf also shows an amazing willingness to call obviously townie people scum for not getting onto his stupid wagon his filter is 95% devoted to lynching townies if that says anything. ... god, I can't do this anymore. I don't think this is a lost cause, but my entire case, I think, hinges on me being town. honestly, try being me and it's really fucking easy to see how hf is scum. this is why I don't make big scum cases This is terrible and I'll break down why: On September 12 2016 09:07 Tumblewood wrote: first, I propose a question to you, reader: can you make an accurate read on someone based off of just five posts? the answer is no, holyflare. no. Actually you can. In most cases it's a single post or two where mafia fucks up that allows you to make a case. No mafia is bad enough to give himself away every single post he makes. This is why I generally ignore humongous cases that quote almost every post by someone and try to paint them scummy. It's very easy to make an accurate read on someone on even a single post (see me vs marv in some game and me vs tnkted in some other game, cba referencing). On September 12 2016 09:07 Tumblewood wrote: this is basic stuff. honestly. tt doesn't have a meta like marv of making 2 posts and then quitting as scum. that doesn't even matter though, because the basis of hf's attack was completely unrelated to the fact that tt was afk. it was, in fact, a dissection of tt's five total posts. and not a point about how he was a great policy lynch for his lack of posting. hmmm throughout the game, hf shows a willingness to favor painting every road as leading to tt is scum over thinking critically about his alignment, and generally not being a jackass. TT did things that are objectively scummy, I don't care what you think about meta or history. I generally don't use meta all that much. Here's my own interpretation of TT's filter. On September 11 2016 05:14 Palmar wrote: It's not about that. Tictock is objectively scummy. He did that thing in the early game with the scumclaim. That's fine and all, and loads of people do it, but the only way it ever works out for town is if you then follow up by looking at the people who react to it. He did very little analysis following the claim. He also did the whole "I'll talk more after dinner" and then disappeared. If he had just disappeared it wouldn't have meant anything, but because he claimed he'd be back it's clear he wanted to appear as if he was contributing. Neither of these make him lock mafia, but both of them, combined with his short filter and poorly explained reads make him a pretty solid day 1 lynch. He is a high % mafia target. Notice that none of this is "meta" or takes into account how he acts as a player. I just don't care about meta. Sometimes I'm wrong because of it (I once lynched kush in lylo for refusing to post coherently and putting in effort), but most of the times it's very effective. On September 12 2016 09:07 Tumblewood wrote: you might expect that this case would have quotes, but hf's filter is probably 50 million pages and also my arguments that involve quotes usually result in me missing the point of the argument or, worse, doubting my original read. If you are town you should. If you are correct, you wouldn't have a reason to doubt your read, and if you are wrong you might realize why. But I guess that would require pretending to put in effort. I'm not even 100% sure you're mafia TW, but you are objectively the best lynch. You've made a bunch of terrible posts, you're not pushing the game forward, there's even dumb reasons to think you're scum (no one wanted to switch with me on d1) This is almost written as sort of an offer to let you redeem yourself. If you are town, you need to put in time and effort. Go write analysis or thoughts on every player in the game. Pro-Tip: if you're mafia make sure you're careful when you write about your buddies  | ||
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