On December 20 2015 00:49 LightningStrike wrote: kush what if I told you that times Onegu's reads are terrible lol,
What if in recent history you checked whose reads were most correct you would find out it was me. I dont make cases I just find and tell you who is mafia.
It is a gift and a curse
The way I figured this smurf would be found out was if you google the word you find that it is a Thai name. It is my son's middle name. As I believe I am the only person who lived in Thailand for 3ish years and has a Thai wife figured that would have given me up.
On December 20 2015 00:49 LightningStrike wrote: kush what if I told you that times Onegu's reads are terrible lol,
What if in recent history you checked whose reads were most correct you would find out it was me. I dont make cases I just find and tell you who is mafia.
It is a gift and a curse
The way I figured this smurf would be found out was if you google the word you find that it is a Thai name. It is my son's middle name. As I believe I am the only person who lived in Thailand for 3ish years and has a Thai wife figured that would have given me up.
Nowwww i feel like a douche for comparing it to a rip off name for a sun drop. I did google Sukrit after this... I am jelly, hes hotter then me >_> P.S. head hurts less now, beginning diving
On December 19 2015 05:49 GiygaS wrote: Some things that irk me about Koshi: - General confidence early game about townreads
- He goes from sure on me being scum (for a very bizarre reason but still very sure) to very confident I'm town because I backed off of two things, said I don't have any scumreads and gave him links to my previous game. He later states that he got a townread on me because it doesn't seem I'm on a team for the above reasons but ehhh.
- He's getting on Damdred for his EoD1 move, but hasn't brought up TT at all in that respect. He also simultaneously thinks kush is town, which is said so many times doesn't matter. Let's go over his reasons why Damdred did what he did from a mafia perspective (thoughts in bold):
On December 18 2015 10:30 Koshi wrote: 1) pretend to care about the lynch This could equally be town or mafia. 2) put suspicion on saved person. This is possible, but he would have to think that this puts a ton of suspicion on himself as well. 3) save teammate But you think kush is town. His move wouldn't have even saved kush unless TT hammered 4) wifom in every shape or form So it's a null read 5) yolo plays to look town So it's a null read
5 different reasons why mafia could do it. There are kore and some can be split up further.
I am sleeping 0229
Everybody who townreads damdred is a bad player.
So his move is either a null read or he's going for a very high-risk low-reward play at EoD.
- Calls GB town because he seems like a carefree town. Then swaps after drunk posts from GB that don't mean anything (these were only the only posts between tr->sr from GB).
- Reason he moved from TT to GB: because TT was posting (not backing off his scum tell), and GB was a liability. This seems like a bs reason abandon his TT lynch. During this swap, he moved GB to scum read, but he voted GB not because he had a scumread, but because GB was a liability.
- Had TT as a town read the next day because "There is no fucking way mafia!TT decided to be so active before the lynch and then made that ritoky is mafia case right before they shot ritoky." Later on the page he admits this is a wifom null read, and has very good reasons to scumread TT. So then why did he list him as town?
- points sukrit/onegu already brought up
Going to read through tt and then ls next. When I was reading through kush he seemed to bring up some good points. I don't like the Rels case at all right now, seems mostly based on Shape tinfoil team theories and general misinformation.
This is actually a really good post from Gigas, I hadn't even thought about the point he's making (In bold) about Damdred's vote D1 implicating him.
My vote D1 got GB lynched over Kush, Damdred's vote opened that up for possibility. If Kush is mafia here both of us did things to save him right at EoD. From Koshi's perspective there should be no real difference in what we did as the results were the same.
Rit started attacking Damdred for his shenannies right away after EoD, and Rit is know to have a "Soul read" on Damdred that is peculiarly accurate.
So Rit being killed N1strongly implicates Damdred here, however it also implicates me as well since I was Rit's main scum read.
Now town!Koshi might look at Rit being killed and go "Well clearly Damdred benifits greatly from that shot, so he must be scum" but he should also be thinking the same thing about me, at least to some extent. Humm maybe this is Koshi's "Great reason to still scumread TT" that is mentioned in the same post Gig makes.
Still this worries me as I feel like the Rit kill was made just to push WIFOM on Damdred and I. So pushing this logic (which is tempting, but is still just WIFOM) does seem to benefit scum behavior more than town.
Still the thing that bugs me most about Koshi's play last phase wasn't his read on Damdred, it was how Koshi kept calling Damdred 85% guarenteed scum, or w/e, but it was how he basically only pushed Rels. (+ Show Spoiler [Damdred Vote] +
Yea sure Koshi voted Damdred at first, but he swapped to Rels at the drop of a hat.
On December 17 2015 18:31 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote Rels
Die in a fire. Damdred is mafia with you. But you are way likelier to be mafia. I should read this Damdred pressure on you btw. I missed it. I also missed you calling him mafia like the little omgusucker that you are.
Shape. Please stop mistyping GaygiS Khan his name. He will be mad. + Show Spoiler +
If I don't mention a name I think they are town. List is null to mafai.
I think Sukrit is mostly town. The one thing I don't like is his fall off but I'm wifoming myself a bit there. Easy for a mafia to have a "strong" start such as it was and then do nothing after.
Kush - I didn't like his exchange with me. Some of the posts just gave me the flashbacks. Old game, a mafia guy gave me some town read for X reasons in this big post I worked my ass on. But there were like 5 other posts with better examples of X, he was just being lazy. But I really liked Kush's actions and interaction with Koshi end of Day 2... and I think Kush lied, but I'm struggling with if that lie mattered in the context of what he actually said.
Damdred - I think I've said everything I think about him already and recently. I have a new tinfoil that I'm thinking about which points him town but not worth mentioning here. He's certainly been anti-town.
GiygaS - I don't like his Shape case. I think he was nitpicking an unimportant detail. Scumming Shape for miss referencing the "Confirmed" post. Ritoky basically did confirm him so it wasn't that. Plus, I don't like the hypocricy where he typed "I still DON"T have him (Shape) as scum" which was clearly a typo as he meant he still did have him as scum. But then I'm the one who wasn't reading his post. Then he asked me a question which I later answered (not directly mind you) which told me he wasn't really reading and thinking about my posts. And the glorious scumtell. God that was awesome.
On December 19 2015 05:01 Damdred wrote: And when I flip town what then koshi? And hopefully rels does to
I still don't understand why Damdred has just given up this game.
He was pretty sure Rels was Town but still voted Rels?
Like I'm trying to look at how EoD went and why people voted the way they did.
Koshi's reads made it clear he should be voting Damdred, but he pushes Rels.
Damdred is pretty sure Rels is town, says he wants people to lynch him, votes Rels.
There were 5 people on the Rels wagon, if these 2 are town, we are fucked this game.
Ok actually it was 7 people on Rels, but there is a strong chance 2/3 mafia were on the Rels wagon here and these 2 are the first people I've looked at and they already look like they have to be the mafia here...
I'm a little unsure that scum!Koshi would drive a mislynch like this all day because he know this will make him look bad. Then again his reasoning is even more all over the place than I'm used too.
I started to run the tinfoil of Koshi and Damdred as a team, but that is actually never a thing. It only makes sense if they are playing a super bad/desperate scum game and I don't think they would. At most there is 1 mafia between them.
On December 18 2015 23:29 Koshi wrote: Yeah. For me there is a very good possibility that Kush/Rels/Damdred are mafia together and that Damded did a yolo play to save Kush.
There is something unholy about them.
I think TT ruined their play. If TT stayed on GiygaS then Kush dies.
Rels looks great for pushing him earlier. Damdred looks good because the only correct answer is town does shenanies at the end.
This doesn't make a lot of sense, why would they bus a teammate like this? Why would Rels bus both teammates.
The team is not fucking Rels/Damdred/Kush!
Like maybe the stuff I said about how Damdred saw I was planning to vote GB and saw me suggest Vivax so tried to shennanie Vivax to save Kush. That's risky though kus if I had voted Vivax with Damdred then Kush gets lynched anyways.
Comptely agree because i been saying Damred and Rels team has been impossible/highly unlikely since EoD. Thought Koshius was going to learn.
I think our Lynch options today are: Rels Kouhius and Oengu. prob. in that order, but i might being bias on Rels. Idk i still think Kubrels is best lynch. Koshius lynch also reveals a lot of info as well if he flips scum. But if he is town, we kinda have a iffy situation where we can not afford to screw up.
On December 19 2015 06:15 Shapelog wrote: idk acutrally about Koshius come to think about it. One part of me wants to lynch him because of shits, giggles, and because he is being irrational to the point of ripping my hair out. The other side says Rels flip info outweighs Koshius flip info. Could be wrong about the info flip.
Has Kubrels really posted anything yet? other than at koshius for voting him over damdred or something. Last thing i remember from him.
I'm not sure I like Shape's attitude about EoD at all.
He's agreeing with me that Damdred/Rels are never a thing.
He thinks Rels's flip is the best flip for information, but
But if he is town, we kinda have a iffy situation where we can not afford to screw up.
Which is kinda true about anyone flipping town, we don't get any real information until we flip mafia. I'm not sure what he means by this "situation where we cannot afford to screw up" I think we lynch Vivax who has basically claimed scum imo tomorrow, then we have 2 more lynches to find the rest.
Idk if I have time to look over Shapes filter to see exactly why he was scumreading Rels, but I kinda feel like it was due to Koshi and Tube's cases.
Posts like the ones I've quoted here just feel like he's fence sitting, but I know he's made other decent ones. Not convinced this is scummy, but worth noting.
On December 14 2015 14:01 kushm4sta wrote: hello dear friends. I was not expecting this game to start so quickly. The number of potential signups made me think this was a large game and that it would start nearer to christmas.
Should I ask for replacement? hmm no I think I would rather just piss everyone off with my minimal activity.
I'm going to placeholder on ritoky because i see his name up there and I recall him posting pics of miley cyrus.
On December 14 2015 23:22 kushm4sta wrote: Did a quick control-f for my name. No, Koshi, I will not be useless. This level of activity looks like it will be quite manageable for me to keep up with. Yes, GB,I do deserve your vote at this point in time. I hope to put some time into this game at lunch.
All I can say now is ritoky is obviously town, which is funny because I'm currently voting him.
On December 15 2015 04:06 Sukrit wrote: Can you tell me why ritoky is townie kush? I have him completely null is there something you are seeing that I am not?
his long post where he sounds paranoid
On December 15 2015 03:38 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 15 2015 02:56 kushm4sta wrote: On second thought after rereading his filter I'm not so sure I want to put gigas on my scum list yet. I will wait to see what his scumreads look like.
Gb, I'll vote for him when I get a chance. Unless he does something townie.
After re reading a 1 page filter? Wow that seems a lot to rethink huh
I don't what you mean here. What is scummy about what I said precisely?
I find his town read awkward. Like his main point for it was because Rik sounded paraiod in is post (which he didn't seem to me.) It is almost like he was trying to find a reason to town read him.
On December 17 2015 08:46 kushm4sta wrote: So that's got to look good for me right? A townie saved me.
And then says "The person i was town reading died, that good right?". It's weird IMO. Rational Shapelog says this is a coincidence, but irrational shapelog says this is mafia indicate. And that Surkitengo and Kush planed to kill Rik from day one.
On December 15 2015 02:58 GiygaS wrote: I'll reread tt filter and see, but all I have is null or town reads on everyone, except a tiny lean on Koshi from meta that I haven't even experienced.
This read on koshi makes me think he's town. It is a very specific type of read. Very nuanced. Scum don't have nuanced reads like that.
Current scum reads are on tt (again, I really don't like that list of townread retraction with NAI stuff) and shape (holy shit that random asslist in to weird sukrit fos). Might get some more/less post-filters, but we'll see.
His scumreads look believable and so does his case on rels. Not saying they are right or wrong but they look like townie reads
On December 18 2015 19:53 kushm4sta wrote: Really not impressed with that exam schedule post. I'm sure it's true but the pressure want even on him. Scummy because he wants to take advantage of an irl excuse to its fullest. He could have just said I have exams.
Onegu no one wants your steam of consciousness. That does not help find scum.
Then calling his RL reasoning scum sus. He goes against all his defense for GiygaS Khan and calls him scummy. I feel this is a townie post. I can't really explain why, But run the case where they are a team. Why even post this? For town cred and bring sus. on a team mate. Heck lets look through this in the eyes of a kush as mafia and GiygaS as town, why go against one the people your town reading and bring sus. onto your self? To try to get a mislynch when everyone is set on either Rels or Vobby? Thats why i think this is a townie post, because it makes in a mafia shoes IMO.
Point 3: me Scum->town->Town with chance of mafia What do i mean?
On December 19 2015 01:20 kushm4sta wrote: Here's some tinfoily stuff.
On December 17 2015 09:36 Shapelog wrote: Plus killing the person who is defending you seems like only a thing i do.
ritoky defended shape.
Do not think my actively is actually any alignment indicating for me. Would of been the same activeness roughly if I rolled mafia. Except maybe a bit thought out and better fleshed posts since i had a team to relay things. But then i prob. post dumb, dull, crap time to time because they weren't on lol.
what if shape is giving himself away here just as a little wink to himself
Again, why would mafia go after someone else at this point. Plus i am a sucker for tinfoil
So in conclusion, Kush is prob. town but as scummy posts.
His conclusion is rahter mixed, prob town but with scummy posts?
Looking at Kush's vote D2.
On December 19 2015 01:21 kushm4sta wrote: gonna placeholder vivax bbl at lynch
On December 17 2015 08:02 Shapelog wrote: Welp, That happen.
That's funny shit.
I'm going to admit I don't really understand much of your big list post. Why do LS and Damdred have to be on the same team? Why can't they be budding the other? You seem to tie them together but you have Damdred more towny than LS. I feel the opposite. I think LS has added more thought to the game. The only thing Damdred did I think is towny is scum Rels and that's probably just because Rels cased him. Can you more explain your town read on Damdred?
The rest of your associative reads, seems they all preclude that every shitfight 2 players have here are town vs mafia. I read this post and thought you don't think town fights town. That's not true is it?
I'm starting to rethink my position on damdred. Earlier on in the EoD, i posted it didn't make much sense if he was mafia and the wagons were both town to do it. Why draw the attention onto himself? But i'm starting to see what Koshius and other people are saying about him. I will look at him in Dark tournament and compare his town game from that to here.
And no town does fight town time to time (Should know from TT and Vobby wagons from Haunted mansion). Thanks for bringing this up. I ponder about it with kush. Like it can see it from both sides of the flip. Idk, i just posted that I won't be tunneling the mafia vs town stuff on him for the time being,
You been quiet btw. Go any ideas about anything? list, scums teams, anything?
My last list post I posted before going to bed 10 hours ago is essentially unchanged. Rels is now lower. Ritoky I should put in green but to be funny I'd keep him lower than Koshi because he didn't use Caps Lock or even held his shift key like a real baller.
So uh apparently you missed my last couple of posts.
Yeah i did miss it. Just looked into your filter and found #719 (your list). I remember seeing the case about you made against Rels now. I didn't really paid attention once it got to the town/mafia meta Rels part, since i'm not the one who should make/back up a meta case. And decided to come back to it later and keep pushing/tunneling. Will add Rels filter from dark tournament also to my read list tonight. I read the post now, But i going to reread what he said during the time he called you scum.
My town/mafiaRels isn't really all that about meta. I mean it IS but it's not like necessarily Rels specific. Hard to explain. I've seen Rels in like 3 games. He was try hard and forceful in all, both as mafia and town. I respect his play, I think he's a strong player. It's not a meta read where it's like "Well, X person uses 15 smiley faces per paragraph, and this game she's doing 5" It's more like mafia Rels doesn't HAVE to go after it all the time. But town Rels basically does.
In any case, disregard the meta bit. Do you think he's solving the game or attacking easy targets or only people who look at him? We can argue the semantics if Damdred is an easy target or not later. I'm even willing to concede Damdred is no easy target. My point still stands.
Do you like this read Kush? Is it legit?
I don't know about rels. There Tube is using shit meta. I don't think it's a Scummy read tho
On December 19 2015 02:44 kushm4sta wrote: Rels Damdred ls Gigas vivax are all on my maybe list
On December 19 2015 02:54 kushm4sta wrote: Yah I'm going over rels filter again now. I think I could lynch him.
Is pretty poor reasoning. And that's a pretty long maybe list for all the townreading he was doing earlier on...
On December 20 2015 00:49 LightningStrike wrote: kush what if I told you that times Onegu's reads are terrible lol,
What if in recent history you checked whose reads were most correct you would find out it was me. I dont make cases I just find and tell you who is mafia.
It is a gift and a curse
The way I figured this smurf would be found out was if you google the word you find that it is a Thai name. It is my son's middle name. As I believe I am the only person who lived in Thailand for 3ish years and has a Thai wife figured that would have given me up.
It doesn't help if you got good reads if you get lynched as town though.
Had to go to the store and scrap yard shortly after my last post. I agree with most of TT's points. I am still unsure about Kush-lush-fush about being mafia, but is points are good and makes me want to go back and read his filter (i add it to the list.)
I feel like onegu is scum but this might be because he is posting nothing supporting his scum reads Since D1. Like at D1 he had reasons to scum read me, now he is just got a gut feeling? Who knows.
I would prob. lynch either Vobby, maybe Koshius, and onegu. Through Kush could be a good lynch too.
Need to catch up and actually read the fucking filters like i said i would. Was suppose to have a case on someone since i like spending EoD analyzing someone and go into the next day pushing them. Eh prob. better to wait after night kill to start deciding.
Oh and if i get killed, Onegu and TS needs to be investigated. Onegu for obvious reasons, TS because no one really has and the fact he keeps telling me not to make my posts clearer is good. Tinfoil would say he is mafia trying to stop me from posting heavily info. Like the drunken slur was no info at all, but just because Onegu commented on how it was hard to read, TS jumped on him and said it was a townie thing.
I didn't read any of the night phase tbh and I might at some point but reading things I'll assume that people called me scum at points.
but just gut I know I'm town, ls is most likely town, tt I feel pretty strongly is town. And still sorta feel shaoe is town.
Like I know I've put 0 effort into this game, the right play is to lynch vivax should of lynched him 2 days ago. And also kush flipping shows eod d1 was me trying to do what I thought was right instead of onto a partner meh.
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