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Alright, but how is him claiming his smurf indicative of him being mafia? You're arguing that he wouldn't have made a smurf just for if he rolled mafia, but that would be a decision he would have made before the game anyway and so it shouldn't impact his alignment.
On November 25 2015 08:49 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2015 08:47 Chromatically wrote: And his alignment in previous games wouldn't have an influence on this game at all? i played two games with him this month where he was . drum rollllllll + Show Spoiler + ...okay, but that still has no affect on his alignment here, correct?
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I'm interested to hear what everyone else thinks of the FF smurf claim.
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On November 09 2015 06:14 Rels wrote:Game specific rules All rules are stated in the ruleset, in the spoiler at the end of the first post. However, I will restate the things that differ from usual. This does not dispense you from reading the whole ruleset.1. The deadline is 22:00 GMT (+00:00). 2. Do not be a dick.3. No replacements are allowed. Exceptions might be made for exceptionnal circumstances. 4. There is no actitivity requirement; no warning / modkill will be issued on activity.5. No host / player interaction after the start of the game. PM any question you have to the hosts, and we will make a post about it if we feel all players needs to be aware of the answer. Do not talk about hosts interaction. If you post anything alignment-revelative relative to questions / hosts interaction in thread, you will be modkilled, even if it was a WIFOM attempt.6. Coaches and hydras are not allowed. Smurfs and shadows are allowed if the hosts are aware of it. 7. No lynch is not allowed. Self voting is allowed. Mafia not using their shot is allowed. 8. Vote / action deadline is XX:59. Any vote / action made at XX:00 is invalid. 9. Voting will be done in the dedicated voting thread found here. Any vote not formated correctly will be considered as not existing. You will be directly modkilled if you fail to vote. 10. You're expected to pass a message to the town after dying; so even after your death, no out-of-game communication is allowed. GG posts are also forbidden. More information will be given to you at the time of your death.
probably should have read the op these rules suck
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On November 25 2015 08:55 Chromatically wrote:Alright, but how is him claiming his smurf indicative of him being mafia? You're arguing that he wouldn't have made a smurf just for if he rolled mafia, but that would be a decision he would have made before the game anyway and so it shouldn't impact his alignment. Show nested quote +On November 25 2015 08:49 sicklucker wrote:On November 25 2015 08:47 Chromatically wrote: And his alignment in previous games wouldn't have an influence on this game at all? i played two games with him this month where he was . drum rollllllll + Show Spoiler + ...okay, but that still has no affect on his alignment here, correct?
ff does not expect to role mafia. So why would he make a smurf he only planned to follow up with as mafia? its makes no sense therefor he is mafia trying to get cred by telling us
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could just lynch sicklucker aggressively illogical etc
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i don't really care about smurf things. why out as a smurf if u roll maf it's just as retarded
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..... he outed himself im making perfect sense im sorry if your not smart
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like its a 30 minute into game read whats your fucking problem is a pretty good one
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On November 25 2015 09:00 Sn0_Man wrote: could just lynch sicklucker aggressively illogical etc
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On November 25 2015 08:48 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2015 08:46 Chromatically wrote:On November 25 2015 08:43 sicklucker wrote:On November 25 2015 08:09 Chromatically wrote: I'm more interested in if he thinks FF is mafia for that? ya probably. Hes afraid he will be outed and coming clean will gain him town cred. Theres no way ff smurfed to reveal himself the 80% of the time he rolled town. It makes no sense... Espiecally since I have never seen him get mafia in like 15 games with him... lynch ff for sanity Hmm, I had the opposite reaction. Why would he be afraid of being outed as a smurf? Ok so ff has a very high perecentage of rolling town. Town is like 80% of the players. Why would he make a smurf when hes only getting mafia like 23% of the time or whatever. Especially when he historically never gets mafia anyway.. lol..
Hmm?
You might have a point here, especially revealing so early before he could even see the affects of smurfing.
FF tends to play fairly lazily the first few days and picks it up later. Maybe he rolled mafia and was worried people would push him early on?
Course all of this is assuming it's actually FF and not someone trying to mind game us early... that's pretty tinfoily though and would be a pretty silly play.
Gunna put this down as slightly suspect but possibly NAI for now.
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On November 25 2015 08:49 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2015 08:47 Chromatically wrote: And his alignment in previous games wouldn't have an influence on this game at all? i played two games with him this month where he was . drum rollllllll + Show Spoiler +
This is meaningless.
Of course.
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grrr not at all you have to get in the mindset of ff. hes always town why make a smurf if hes not going to use it as town?
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I completely understand what sicklucker is saying. I just do not know if I want to follow it. It sounds so randomly brilliant.
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On November 25 2015 09:00 Sn0_Man wrote: could just lynch sicklucker aggressively illogical etc
Is there a problem?
Have you played with SL before?
Kus that seems par for the course to me.
+ Show Spoiler +Also I don't think he's being illogical... yet
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the outing scenario, taken alone:
i take fefe's self-outing to mean that he's town and he wants to win the game, and that he believes his normal town behaviour when not associated with his name will lead to being lynched, therefore he can be himself from the beginning. would be hella easy if he rolled mafia to just go along with staying closeted about his identity and doing literally anything else.
that said, i don't think it's really worth using the situation to judge whether or not he's town in a vacuum so just see where he goes from here
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##vote ANickelDrink
Brilliancy needs to be rewarded.
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On November 25 2015 09:07 sicklucker wrote: grrr not at all you have to get in the mindset of ff. hes always town why make a smurf if hes not going to use it as town?
I gotcha.
I just don't think him having rolled town in the last few games you played with him means anything about this game.
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On November 25 2015 09:07 sicklucker wrote: grrr not at all you have to get in the mindset of ff. hes always town why make a smurf if hes not going to use it as town? gambler's fallacy
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Yeah, I don't get it.
On November 25 2015 09:07 sicklucker wrote: grrr not at all you have to get in the mindset of ff. hes always town why make a smurf if hes not going to use it as town? Like this is a decision made before the game starts, how can it be alignment-indicative?
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On November 25 2015 09:08 ObviousOne wrote: the outing scenario, taken alone:
i take fefe's self-outing to mean that he's town and he wants to win the game, and that he believes his normal town behaviour when not associated with his name will lead to being lynched, therefore he can be himself from the beginning. would be hella easy if he rolled mafia to just go along with staying closeted about his identity and doing literally anything else.
that said, i don't think it's really worth using the situation to judge whether or not he's town in a vacuum so just see where he goes from here How many times did ff roll mafia? What would ff do different when he is mafia? Why the fuck did ff actually roll a smurf?
Somebody who isn't me should look up:
A) If ff got misslynched recently as town. If he was recently misslynched, ff would make a smurf to see if he can play town how he likes under a smurf.
B) If ff got identified as mafia recently, ff would make a smurf to hide as mafia better.
Outing being smurf town as town in scenario A) doesn't make sense, in scenario B) it makes sense. Outing being smurf town as mafia makes sense in scenario A) but doesn't in B).
GAME SOLVED.
Now do the legwork my minions.
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