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On August 28 2015 01:25 marvellosity wrote:
like specifically, what is it about their interactions or the interactions of others with them (and WHO in this case) that makes you feel town-town is "highly unlikely"
idk it's just a feeling. look at the wagons and how people are reading the two. if we lynch one or the other, it's a potshot and splits the list making it easier to read.
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On August 28 2015 01:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 01:25 marvellosity wrote:
like specifically, what is it about their interactions or the interactions of others with them (and WHO in this case) that makes you feel town-town is "highly unlikely" idk it's just a feeling. look at the wagons and how people are reading the two. if we lynch one or the other, it's a potshot and splits the list making it easier to read.
That's not a reason to assume we can't both be town man.
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nvm i got like 15 more min if ya'll want to talk i'm down to clown rite now.
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On August 28 2015 01:27 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 01:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 28 2015 01:25 marvellosity wrote:
like specifically, what is it about their interactions or the interactions of others with them (and WHO in this case) that makes you feel town-town is "highly unlikely" idk it's just a feeling. look at the wagons and how people are reading the two. if we lynch one or the other, it's a potshot and splits the list making it easier to read. That's not a reason to assume we can't both be town man.
so ur townreading Trfel?
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I am taking a break for a while.
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On August 28 2015 01:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 01:27 justanothertownie wrote:On August 28 2015 01:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 28 2015 01:25 marvellosity wrote:
like specifically, what is it about their interactions or the interactions of others with them (and WHO in this case) that makes you feel town-town is "highly unlikely" idk it's just a feeling. look at the wagons and how people are reading the two. if we lynch one or the other, it's a potshot and splits the list making it easier to read. That's not a reason to assume we can't both be town man. so ur townreading Trfel?
I did not say that. But there is no reason why we could NOT both be town.
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On August 28 2015 01:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 01:25 marvellosity wrote:
like specifically, what is it about their interactions or the interactions of others with them (and WHO in this case) that makes you feel town-town is "highly unlikely" idk it's just a feeling. look at the wagons and how people are reading the two. if we lynch one or the other, it's a potshot and splits the list making it easier to read.
well yes. but that's just the same as saying lynching someone who has been a central focus of attention gives a lot of information, which is obviously true.
to be clear: i do not think you are mafia for saying what you said. but people say that sort of thing all the time, and
1) it is often just wrong
2) there is often no basis behind it at all (as appears to be the case here)
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On August 28 2015 01:10 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 28 2015 01:01 KelsierSC wrote:On August 28 2015 00:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 28 2015 00:53 KelsierSC wrote:
wave your explanation for why CC may be scum is a post of a townread on him. You asked me to explain why I looked back into a past game to call him scum based on meta, I showed you why. you said you went back looked at games , one really old game where he was scum. but you remembered his past games and as a result you have a tentative town read on him. So what I don't understand is why you now think he is scum. I didn't remember his scumgame which is why I wanted to go back and look at it to see if it wouold affect my townread. It did.I don't think he's scum because of that one game, but my townread on him is gone-ish as from that game I can see that he could very well be playing this way as scum. I'm not following what you're not following here. i wasn't following why ,when i asked you for a scumread you quoted a post of you calling him town. forgive me ok so how has his play changed , why are you no longer town reading him? cos that one game from years ago?
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Just a revised list.
Town circle: palmar, marv, kelsier, cheesecake, wave, rsoultin
Town lean: visceraeyes
Null: vivax
would lynch: justanothertownie, hopeless, trfel, boxerfred, deconduo
Note that in every game I've played one mafia does make it in to my townie circle but the other 2 should be in the null/would lynch categories.
Not fond of lynching inactives right now like hopeless/boxer/decon so i'd like to settle between JAT/trfel while vivax is a big ??? for me. I'm expecting more from boxer/decon as well while I've given up hopeless as a hopeless case (puns).
I'd like JAT's thoughts on Trfel in particular.
okokok?
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Can someone go check if Vivax is mafia?
It's highly likely tbh.
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On August 28 2015 01:50 Palmar wrote:
Can someone go check if Vivax is mafia?
It's highly likely tbh.
probs
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On August 28 2015 01:50 Palmar wrote:
Can someone go check if Vivax is mafia?
It's highly likely tbh.
It really is.
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very valid shenanny lynch
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JAT
On August 26 2015 20:30 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 20:26 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2015 20:11 justanothertownie wrote:Yeah? I would like to know what's the point of this when marv had done absolutely nothing at that point in time: On August 26 2015 13:21 Trfel wrote:
Otherwise, I'm interested to see what Palmar has to say about marvellosity. VE made the point about marv playing like palmar and trefl was questioning him plus marv was a point of contention so the question isn't really that strange. Yes, it is. I have no idea what about this is interesting to Trfel when marv had posted exactly those posts at that time: There is no way Trfel seriously expects Palmar to be able to make any kind of conclusion about marv based on this.
So...a few of us established that this itself isn't the weirdest thing Trfel could have asked. At the very least some plausible explanations were offered, but JAT is having none of it and just deeptunnels based on this alone. I really would expect JAT as town to be more reasonable and consider other options than to tunnel in this way. I am aware he can be stubborn and have a stick where the sun don't shine at times, but he's not even necessarily being that way, just...oddly obstinate about something seemingly minor.
On August 26 2015 23:39 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 22:22 rsoultin wrote:
no it means the reason for your townread is bad, and if the reason for your townread is bad and there are reasons to think he's mafia you shouldn't be an rsoul and wait until the night before lylo to go oh shit i'm a numbnuts and now the guy who always wants to lynch me in lylo has to be convinced i'm just a numbnuts and not mafia and we should lynch the guy i was derping on @.@
He shouldn't townread me for that, true. But please don't try to make it look like you have any real reason to think I am mafia because you really don't.
This looks like townJAT
[QUOTE]On August 27 2015 01:30 justanothertownie wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right.
/QUOTE]
????????????
What is this shit?[/QUOTE]
This is one post JAT makes (and apparently Kelsier too) where I say something seemingly simple (to me at least) that they call me scummy for but marv very reasonably is able to point out the correct thought process/point I am trying to make. Can't tell if this is deliberate on either of their accounts because it's just weird. It's hard for me to tell from a non-biased point of view whether the points people are confused about SHOULD be things that anyone should EASILY be able to pick up on but they're being nitpicked 'cause scum or bad.
I think this would be indicative if I could remember whether or not this is something JAT normally does---I feel like it is so maybe it's not indicative? I know for someone like HF it's completely non-indicative because he does that shit all the time to everyone.
I should re-interate here that I think it's a little harder for me to read JAT this game because of the early pressure he's getting. Marv/rsoul made it very clear that they would have expected WAY more from him at this point were he town and I agree but I also think it's possible that JAT isn't just playing drama queen and playing up his stubbornness/anger to avoid doing stuff, but I truly do think JAT is a better player than to go 36h with only a weak push on Trfel to show for it.
[QUOTE]On August 27 2015 02:23 justanothertownie wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 27 2015 02:22 Palmar wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 27 2015 02:18 justanothertownie wrote:
Well, I am leaving now. It is wednesday and wednesday night is pubquiz time. Maybe I will return for a short while later, maybe I won't. Can make any promises about tomorrows activity since it is my birthday.
When I return I will flat out ignore any further bullshit brought up against me unless I think it is alignment indicative.
Currently I would look for scum between WoS, Trfel, Moosy and possibly CC between the people that have posted a little.[/QUOTE]
Explain exactly why you think CC is mafia.[/QUOTE]
He is a little too correct I think. Very very clean posts.[/QUOTE]
Actually there IS a little more. Some stuff on CC, etc
[QUOTE]On August 27 2015 08:09 justanothertownie wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 27 2015 08:07 marvellosity wrote:
no it was world championships i was referring to
but then this leads to another thought that i have to explain, and it's really not worth it but it doesn't matter enough :p
maybe i'll flick through russia today, but my thoughts about recent games with you as town are as above ^^
I do understand you're being tunnelled and that's difficult (as either alignment) which is why i'm not hardcore on you, because if you'd played this unproductively regarding reads/posts and you weren't under a lot of pressure, i'd think you were very very likely mafia[/QUOTE]
Whatever. Fact is I am not mafia and I trust you to see this at some point even thoughI will not have much time for this game. I would be very disappointed if you didn't because you are more or less the only player on this site who can read me.[/QUOTE]
A LOT of these appeals throughout. No likey.
[QUOTE]On August 27 2015 18:24 justanothertownie wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 27 2015 18:02 Trfel wrote:
And yes, I do? Because I'm obviously town?[/QUOTE]
And I have a very hard time believing this can be genuine. There is no way Trfel can think he was towny enough for Palmar to call him confirmed town when he did. This lacks any towny paranoia and feels like he just said it because he thought a townie should answer like this.[/QUOTE]
Thought process is interesting but it really COULD just be town Trfel acting like this JAT immediately tosses it out.
(Side note, that post where marv tells JAT exactly what he wants to hear about everyone being idiots and stuff made me want to lynch JAT SO BADLY just to be able to read the salt from either alignment postgame in the obs QT)
I had the idea going into this that JAT was completely unreasonable and only did stuff when prodded a couple hours ago but that honestly seems to be untrue. I can't comfortably be rid of the fact that he could be scum simply based on Palmar's convictions and the couple bad things I see in here, coupled with the fact that JAT is overall a solid player and has done nothing in this game he couldn't have done as either alignment. I also don't like that he's latched onto me because he's obviously wrong but he seems to be increasingly reasonable about my play (which is sort of a trend given CC's recent post. Less so Kelsier because he keeps prodding me and I have no idea to what end) I think ultimately I continue to sheep my betters here whatever they decide on JAT but he's not clear scum by any means.
I think I might like a Hopeless lynch better
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Who fucked up formatting.
JAT
On August 26 2015 20:30 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 20:26 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2015 20:11 justanothertownie wrote:Yeah? I would like to know what's the point of this when marv had done absolutely nothing at that point in time: On August 26 2015 13:21 Trfel wrote:
Otherwise, I'm interested to see what Palmar has to say about marvellosity. VE made the point about marv playing like palmar and trefl was questioning him plus marv was a point of contention so the question isn't really that strange. Yes, it is. I have no idea what about this is interesting to Trfel when marv had posted exactly those posts at that time: There is no way Trfel seriously expects Palmar to be able to make any kind of conclusion about marv based on this.
So...a few of us established that this itself isn't the weirdest thing Trfel could have asked. At the very least some plausible explanations were offered, but JAT is having none of it and just deeptunnels based on this alone. I really would expect JAT as town to be more reasonable and consider other options than to tunnel in this way. I am aware he can be stubborn and have a stick where the sun don't shine at times, but he's not even necessarily being that way, just...oddly obstinate about something seemingly minor.
On August 26 2015 23:39 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 22:22 rsoultin wrote:
no it means the reason for your townread is bad, and if the reason for your townread is bad and there are reasons to think he's mafia you shouldn't be an rsoul and wait until the night before lylo to go oh shit i'm a numbnuts and now the guy who always wants to lynch me in lylo has to be convinced i'm just a numbnuts and not mafia and we should lynch the guy i was derping on @.@
He shouldn't townread me for that, true. But please don't try to make it look like you have any real reason to think I am mafia because you really don't.
This looks like townJAT
On August 27 2015 01:30 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right.
???????????? What is this shit?
This is one post JAT makes (and apparently Kelsier too) where I say something seemingly simple (to me at least) that they call me scummy for but marv very reasonably is able to point out the correct thought process/point I am trying to make. Can't tell if this is deliberate on either of their accounts because it's just weird. It's hard for me to tell from a non-biased point of view whether the points people are confused about SHOULD be things that anyone should EASILY be able to pick up on but they're being nitpicked 'cause scum or bad.
I think this would be indicative if I could remember whether or not this is something JAT normally does---I feel like it is so maybe it's not indicative? I know for someone like HF it's completely non-indicative because he does that shit all the time to everyone.
I should re-interate here that I think it's a little harder for me to read JAT this game because of the early pressure he's getting. Marv/rsoul made it very clear that they would have expected WAY more from him at this point were he town and I agree but I also think it's possible that JAT isn't just playing drama queen and playing up his stubbornness/anger to avoid doing stuff, but I truly do think JAT is a better player than to go 36h with only a weak push on Trfel to show for it.
On August 27 2015 02:23 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 02:22 Palmar wrote:On August 27 2015 02:18 justanothertownie wrote:
Well, I am leaving now. It is wednesday and wednesday night is pubquiz time. Maybe I will return for a short while later, maybe I won't. Can make any promises about tomorrows activity since it is my birthday.
When I return I will flat out ignore any further bullshit brought up against me unless I think it is alignment indicative.
Currently I would look for scum between WoS, Trfel, Moosy and possibly CC between the people that have posted a little. Explain exactly why you think CC is mafia. He is a little too correct I think. Very very clean posts.
Actually there IS a little more. Some stuff on CC, etc
On August 27 2015 08:09 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 08:07 marvellosity wrote:
no it was world championships i was referring to
but then this leads to another thought that i have to explain, and it's really not worth it but it doesn't matter enough :p
maybe i'll flick through russia today, but my thoughts about recent games with you as town are as above ^^
I do understand you're being tunnelled and that's difficult (as either alignment) which is why i'm not hardcore on you, because if you'd played this unproductively regarding reads/posts and you weren't under a lot of pressure, i'd think you were very very likely mafia Whatever. Fact is I am not mafia and I trust you to see this at some point even thoughI will not have much time for this game. I would be very disappointed if you didn't because you are more or less the only player on this site who can read me.
A LOT of these appeals throughout. No likey.
On August 27 2015 18:24 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 18:02 Trfel wrote:
And yes, I do? Because I'm obviously town? And I have a very hard time believing this can be genuine. There is no way Trfel can think he was towny enough for Palmar to call him confirmed town when he did. This lacks any towny paranoia and feels like he just said it because he thought a townie should answer like this.
Thought process is interesting but it really COULD just be town Trfel acting like this JAT immediately tosses it out.
(Side note, that post where marv tells JAT exactly what he wants to hear about everyone being idiots and stuff made me want to lynch JAT SO BADLY just to be able to read the salt from either alignment postgame in the obs QT)
I had the idea going into this that JAT was completely unreasonable and only did stuff when prodded a couple hours ago but that honestly seems to be untrue. I can't comfortably be rid of the fact that he could be scum simply based on Palmar's convictions and the couple bad things I see in here, coupled with the fact that JAT is overall a solid player and has done nothing in this game he couldn't have done as either alignment. I also don't like that he's latched onto me because he's obviously wrong but he seems to be increasingly reasonable about my play (which is sort of a trend given CC's recent post. Less so Kelsier because he keeps prodding me and I have no idea to what end) I think ultimately I continue to sheep my betters here whatever they decide on JAT but he's not clear scum by any means.
I think I might like a Hopeless lynch better
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Wow, Wave actually did what I asked of him.
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On August 28 2015 01:58 WaveofShadow wrote:Who fucked up formatting. JATShow nested quote +On August 26 2015 20:30 justanothertownie wrote:On August 26 2015 20:26 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2015 20:11 justanothertownie wrote:Yeah? I would like to know what's the point of this when marv had done absolutely nothing at that point in time: On August 26 2015 13:21 Trfel wrote:
Otherwise, I'm interested to see what Palmar has to say about marvellosity. VE made the point about marv playing like palmar and trefl was questioning him plus marv was a point of contention so the question isn't really that strange. Yes, it is. I have no idea what about this is interesting to Trfel when marv had posted exactly those posts at that time: On August 26 2015 07:25 marvellosity wrote:
heya On August 26 2015 08:50 marvellosity wrote:
this is delightful. There is no way Trfel seriously expects Palmar to be able to make any kind of conclusion about marv based on this. So...a few of us established that this itself isn't the weirdest thing Trfel could have asked. At the very least some plausible explanations were offered, but JAT is having none of it and just deeptunnels based on this alone. I really would expect JAT as town to be more reasonable and consider other options than to tunnel in this way. I am aware he can be stubborn and have a stick where the sun don't shine at times, but he's not even necessarily being that way, just...oddly obstinate about something seemingly minor. Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 23:39 justanothertownie wrote:On August 26 2015 22:22 rsoultin wrote:
no it means the reason for your townread is bad, and if the reason for your townread is bad and there are reasons to think he's mafia you shouldn't be an rsoul and wait until the night before lylo to go oh shit i'm a numbnuts and now the guy who always wants to lynch me in lylo has to be convinced i'm just a numbnuts and not mafia and we should lynch the guy i was derping on @.@
He shouldn't townread me for that, true. But please don't try to make it look like you have any real reason to think I am mafia because you really don't. This looks like townJAT Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 01:30 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
For a read on marv if I had to guess it's easier to assume he's town (even based on very little/nothing) and take it back later on if he just so happens to be wrong, but all of the posting they have done has in all likelihood shown that he is right.
???????????? What is this shit? This is one post JAT makes (and apparently Kelsier too) where I say something seemingly simple (to me at least) that they call me scummy for but marv very reasonably is able to point out the correct thought process/point I am trying to make. Can't tell if this is deliberate on either of their accounts because it's just weird. It's hard for me to tell from a non-biased point of view whether the points people are confused about SHOULD be things that anyone should EASILY be able to pick up on but they're being nitpicked 'cause scum or bad. I think this would be indicative if I could remember whether or not this is something JAT normally does---I feel like it is so maybe it's not indicative? I know for someone like HF it's completely non-indicative because he does that shit all the time to everyone. I should re-interate here that I think it's a little harder for me to read JAT this game because of the early pressure he's getting. Marv/rsoul made it very clear that they would have expected WAY more from him at this point were he town and I agree but I also think it's possible that JAT isn't just playing drama queen and playing up his stubbornness/anger to avoid doing stuff, but I truly do think JAT is a better player than to go 36h with only a weak push on Trfel to show for it. Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 02:23 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 02:22 Palmar wrote:On August 27 2015 02:18 justanothertownie wrote:
Well, I am leaving now. It is wednesday and wednesday night is pubquiz time. Maybe I will return for a short while later, maybe I won't. Can make any promises about tomorrows activity since it is my birthday.
When I return I will flat out ignore any further bullshit brought up against me unless I think it is alignment indicative.
Currently I would look for scum between WoS, Trfel, Moosy and possibly CC between the people that have posted a little. Explain exactly why you think CC is mafia. He is a little too correct I think. Very very clean posts. Actually there IS a little more. Some stuff on CC, etc Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 08:09 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 08:07 marvellosity wrote:
no it was world championships i was referring to
but then this leads to another thought that i have to explain, and it's really not worth it but it doesn't matter enough :p
maybe i'll flick through russia today, but my thoughts about recent games with you as town are as above ^^
I do understand you're being tunnelled and that's difficult (as either alignment) which is why i'm not hardcore on you, because if you'd played this unproductively regarding reads/posts and you weren't under a lot of pressure, i'd think you were very very likely mafia Whatever. Fact is I am not mafia and I trust you to see this at some point even thoughI will not have much time for this game. I would be very disappointed if you didn't because you are more or less the only player on this site who can read me. A LOT of these appeals throughout. No likey. Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 18:24 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 18:02 Trfel wrote:
And yes, I do? Because I'm obviously town? And I have a very hard time believing this can be genuine. There is no way Trfel can think he was towny enough for Palmar to call him confirmed town when he did. This lacks any towny paranoia and feels like he just said it because he thought a townie should answer like this. Thought process is interesting but it really COULD just be town Trfel acting like this JAT immediately tosses it out. (Side note, that post where marv tells JAT exactly what he wants to hear about everyone being idiots and stuff made me want to lynch JAT SO BADLY just to be able to read the salt from either alignment postgame in the obs QT) I had the idea going into this that JAT was completely unreasonable and only did stuff when prodded a couple hours ago but that honestly seems to be untrue. I can't comfortably be rid of the fact that he could be scum simply based on Palmar's convictions and the couple bad things I see in here, coupled with the fact that JAT is overall a solid player and has done nothing in this game he couldn't have done as either alignment. I also don't like that he's latched onto me because he's obviously wrong but he seems to be increasingly reasonable about my play (which is sort of a trend given CC's recent post. Less so Kelsier because he keeps prodding me and I have no idea to what end) I think ultimately I continue to sheep my betters here whatever they decide on JAT but he's not clear scum by any means. I think I might like a Hopeless lynch better
The terms wishy-washy and non-commital were made to describe this post. Wave still leaves his option to lynch me open without openly calling me scum and shifting blame to Palmar. Not a fan.
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On August 28 2015 02:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Wow, Wave actually did what I asked of him.
I prefer to think of it as being reminded to do what I probably should have done a while ago rather than doing what I'm told.
Not really satisified with filter dive tbh. Filter diving has rarely done me any good in the past and it really didn't offer me a much better read on JAT. Most of my good play in recent games has come with me going on my gut and I'm having indigestion right now.
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