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I actually think HF has been contributing useful stuff. Like I like his push on OWS and I like his reasoning for townreading oats for starters.
However I struggle to see how he martyrs, and then when he comes back he 180s on me. Like he goes from "clarity's thoughts align with mine, sheep him when I'm dead" to "clarity confirmed scum for believing in my OWS push and never wavering in his townread of me" when I did in fact waver quite a bit, I gave harkon plenty of opportunity to explain to me why he thinks HF is scum and I was going to read up on HF, however HF martyrs and suddenly I just don't give a shit. I was dreading having to go through HF's meta of games I wasn't in but I would have done it, but this is just dumb.
HF by the time you started getting milo to talk I was convinced he was scum, he had practically given up and was not trying to defend himself nor was he scumhunting. I believed in my case and all my townreads were calling him scum.
Only in the last hour or two did he start sounding like town but I think that's the easiest bit to fake "woe is me I'm so sorry guys I should have played better"
I have not been disruptive at all so you are clearly misrepresenting me.
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like literally if you read his filter in himalayas you will 100% understand why i think he's mafia this game, oats, i guarantee it. especially in the later cycles but really the whole game is a good example
anyway, i'm out. class
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I've been "hard townreading" HF all game but this is the first time he's called me scum for it, which is very timely as he's the one getting lynched. That and the martyring followed by coming back when it looks like he's actually getting lynched are the reasons for wanting to lynch him now.
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Game of thrones i shit fight with mafia gb all game. I was town. Mafia mini 2 i shit fight with palmar all game and he vig shoots me as well as mafia nk. Aperture i shit fight with the entire game trying to lynch mafia, even with confirmed town jat. Can't remember past that. I think titanic paint was my most memorable shit fight with dp and he was mafia.
So no your meta is bull shit. I'm an argumentative asshole regardless of my alignment and especially so as town.
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On July 16 2015 22:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I've been "hard townreading" HF all game but this is the first time he's called me scum for it, which is very timely as he's the one getting lynched. That and the martyring followed by coming back when it looks like he's actually getting lynched are the reasons for wanting to lynch him now.
I'm sorry how is this timely? What use is scum reading the person who was hard defending me? Do you even think about what you write before you post it? I was in a dark tunnel of shit and now I'm out of it and have a good idea about the game.
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I'm not going to get onto the HF train.
I've stated my position, and I may be swayed into lynching HF tomorrow, but not before that.
Right now I still feel good about a vivax or rsoul lynch.
I don't feel so good about an obi lynch.
I've had a slight town lean on him this game, and him defending me makes me not want to vote for him either.
If I had to choose between a HF and an Obi lynch i'd reluctantly lynch Obi, but I'm not feeling good about lynching either.
I'm going to vote for vivax and if anyone wants to join me that's cool.
@Obi.
HF has a point about your stance switch on clarity.
Reading your filter all I see is clarity is mafia until HF martyrs and after that it's suddenly "I don't want to lynch clarity anymore".
1) Can you explain exactly what made you change your stance on clarity?
Are you saying that clarity is no longer a scum-read or that you simply have stronger scum-reads atm?
2) I'd like you to expand a bit on why your top scum-reads are what they are.
Reading your filter I can't find many reasons for your scum-reads.
Can you write a short summary on why you scum-read these people: EBH, HF, Clarity?
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I fail to see how your super hard town read has completely reversed because i martyred at a time i was highly strung out and annoyed. It doesn't. YOUR posts are the ones that look super timely and opportunistic. A day where town hf is getting lynched and you have to come up with a reason? Better flip that unwavering read!
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On July 16 2015 22:36 ruXxar wrote:
I'm not going to get onto the HF train.
I've stated my position, and I may be swayed into lynching HF tomorrow, but not before that.
Right now I still feel good about a vivax or rsoul lynch.
I don't feel so good about an obi lynch.
I've had a slight town lean on him this game, and him defending me makes me not want to vote for him either.
If I had to choose between a HF and an Obi lynch i'd reluctantly lynch Obi, but I'm not feeling good about lynching either.
I'm going to vote for vivax and if anyone wants to join me that's cool.
@Obi.
HF has a point about your stance switch on clarity.
Reading your filter all I see is clarity is mafia until HF martyrs and after that it's suddenly "I don't want to lynch clarity anymore".
1) Can you explain exactly what made you change your stance on clarity?
Are you saying that clarity is no longer a scum-read or that you simply have stronger scum-reads atm?
2) I'd like you to expand a bit on why your top scum-reads are what they are.
Reading your filter I can't find many reasons for your scum-reads.
Can you write a short summary on why you scum-read these people: EBH, HF, Clarity?
Wow you think obi's town read or you makes him look towny? "yeh i dunno.. Activity!" that's what you like about him ruxxar?
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On July 16 2015 22:35 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 22:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I've been "hard townreading" HF all game but this is the first time he's called me scum for it, which is very timely as he's the one getting lynched. That and the martyring followed by coming back when it looks like he's actually getting lynched are the reasons for wanting to lynch him now. I'm sorry how is this timely? What use is scum reading the person who was hard defending me? Do you even think about what you write before you post it? I was in a dark tunnel of shit and now I'm out of it and have a good idea about the game.
If you had thought it made me scum you would have brought it up earlier? Not wait till you're the main wagon and then go "btw clarity scum"
I wasn't hard defending you I let people attack you as much as they wanted.
Bringing up your own meta to astonishing detail is not actually helping you. The moment you identify your own meta is the moment you can break it and then claim "look I can't be scum because X". You've brought up your own meta so often this game and you've even shown that you have read your own filter multiple times this game. I was willing to scratch that off as just having a massive head but now I think it's because you're scum trying to keep your story straight.
You just look like you're flailing now. Like you definitely could still be town (hedge hedge) but the chance of you being scum has gone up a ton.
Combine the things that I said with harkon being convinced you're scum and marv not giving a read on you when he's normally super chatty about whatever (which means he's unsure) and I'm liking this lynch.
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On July 16 2015 22:39 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 22:36 ruXxar wrote:
I'm not going to get onto the HF train.
I've stated my position, and I may be swayed into lynching HF tomorrow, but not before that.
Right now I still feel good about a vivax or rsoul lynch.
I don't feel so good about an obi lynch.
I've had a slight town lean on him this game, and him defending me makes me not want to vote for him either.
If I had to choose between a HF and an Obi lynch i'd reluctantly lynch Obi, but I'm not feeling good about lynching either.
I'm going to vote for vivax and if anyone wants to join me that's cool.
@Obi.
HF has a point about your stance switch on clarity.
Reading your filter all I see is clarity is mafia until HF martyrs and after that it's suddenly "I don't want to lynch clarity anymore".
1) Can you explain exactly what made you change your stance on clarity?
Are you saying that clarity is no longer a scum-read or that you simply have stronger scum-reads atm?
2) I'd like you to expand a bit on why your top scum-reads are what they are.
Reading your filter I can't find many reasons for your scum-reads.
Can you write a short summary on why you scum-read these people: EBH, HF, Clarity? Wow you think obi's town read or you makes him look towny? "yeh i dunno.. Activity!" that's what you like about him ruxxar?
No that's now why I've had him as a slight town-read this game.
I just have a natural preference for liking people town-reading me.
I got the town-read on him from the interaction we had earlier.
I got the feeling that he was really listening to what I was saying and evaluating my point when no one else was listening to my case on rsoul.
If I'd judge his filter as a standalone i'd say it's pretty lackluster from how there's many scum call-outs without much if any reasoning behind it.
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Uh the only time i bring up my own meta is when people say i only do x as scum and i show them i do it as town too. It's hardly a defence to say something is shit and wrong meta especially when it's their sole reason for reading me as mafia.
I like how you ignore the last sentence though. I simply was in no position to think clearly about the game and now i am. This is the most bull shit opportune vote of the century though. I stake my reputation on you being mafia. Have fun after my flip because people will 100% afk sheep me.
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Basically the moment it appears I "stop" townreading you you call me scum, because as scum there was no point in pushing me while I was, in your words, "hard defending you". Now that I'm voting for you it's a good time for you to 180 on me.
As town however you would have brought it up much earlier if you truly believed it made me scum, because as town you don't give a shit if someone is townreading you or not, you give a shit if they are scum. If you thought I was scum you would have brought it up, so the 180 makes no sense from a town perspective.
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Somehow the hard town read turned into a spite vote which turned into a solid mafia read all while all i did was post content that clarity liked! You guys be the judge 
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On July 16 2015 22:45 Holyflare wrote:
Uh the only time i bring up my own meta is when people say i only do x as scum and i show them i do it as town too. It's hardly a defence to say something is shit and wrong meta especially when it's their sole reason for reading me as mafia.
I like how you ignore the last sentence though. I simply was in no position to think clearly about the game and now i am. This is the most bull shit opportune vote of the century though. I stake my reputation on you being mafia. Have fun after my flip because people will 100% afk sheep me.
I have no reason to believe or disbelieve it, so I'm simply choosing to ignore it.
You were playing the game just fine prior to today.
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Yeah shitfighting and whirring up the thread every time you set foot in it are entirely different things gg ^^ you forget I was hard townreading you the game palmar shot you and not in these others, excluding carol. I know the difference, even if I can't quite articulate it
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On July 16 2015 22:47 Holyflare wrote:Somehow the hard town read turned into a spite vote which turned into a solid mafia read all while all i did was post content that clarity liked! You guys be the judge
It's not a solid mafia read, but I'm fine with your lynch now, make of that what you will. I've given my reasons.
If you are town reread me and make damn sure you're happy with your scumread because if you're town then you are losing us the game.
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Yeh that one game. What about the others you conveniently ignore? Like the one where the entire town spite voted me for shitting up the thread in aperture or the one where i actually did yell at absolutely everyone about dp? Good selective reasoning!
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On July 16 2015 22:48 rsoultin wrote:
Yeah shitfighting and shitting up the thread every time you set foot in it are entirely different things hf ^^ you forget I was hard townreading you the game palmar shot you and not in these others, excluding carol. I know the difference, even if I can't quite articulate it
Corrected
:/ hate phones
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On July 16 2015 22:49 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 22:47 Holyflare wrote:Somehow the hard town read turned into a spite vote which turned into a solid mafia read all while all i did was post content that clarity liked! You guys be the judge It's not a solid mafia read, but I'm fine with your lynch now, make of that what you will. I've given my reasons. If you are town reread me and make damn sure you're happy with your scumread because if you're town then you are losing us the game.
Actually I'm not losing anyone the game. Why does me being wrong on you change a read? I think my reasons are entirely legitimate and besides that why would it matter anyway? I've just posted my thoughts all cycle and you have said nothing about any of it other than it could be a bus. Ok clarity mr not do anything for 3 solid lynches and blames the guy actually giving solid reasoning for his reads.
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Actually looking at obi's filter more in depth I don't see him doing much of anything besides calling people mafia here and there without reasoning.
Reconsidering it, I don't think an Obi lynch is the worst thing in the world.
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