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Onegu
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Holyflare
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On June 17 2015 23:50 GlowingBear wrote: HF if you don't do things soon I will lead a crusade on you Mark my words i don't have to do anything lol On June 17 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote: CONFIRMED TOWN BITCHES | ||
GlowingBear
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On June 17 2015 23:54 Onegu wrote: GB and NHM town : ))))) ##Vote: Onegu What about the Onegu rule you are so excited with, that got scum twice in the latest two games you played? | ||
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Onegu
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On June 17 2015 23:57 GlowingBear wrote: : ))))) ##Vote: Onegu What about the Onegu rule you are so excited with, that got scum twice in the latest two games you played? Did you even read the onegu rule? | ||
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On June 17 2015 23:54 Holyflare wrote: i don't have to do anything lol Oh yeah, I forgot lol nvm + Show Spoiler + Seriously, help us if you're town because if you are you're already dead this night because blue hunters already know you're blue | ||
GlowingBear
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First person to doubt your VT claim is Mafia? | ||
Onegu
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Ok for Clarity Onegu Rule: Onegu trolls all of day 1 and Night 1. People get upset. People scum read onegu. People who have reasons other than "Onegu is trolling" are scum. People who want to Plynch Onegu are ok. Onegu rule doesnt go into effect until day 2. You are thinking of the kenpachi rule | ||
GlowingBear
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I want a reason to scum read you, can't you help me? | ||
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LightningStrike
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@GB: Is it alignment indicative that BM haven't posted yet in your mind and if so why? @HF: You seriously need to help us if you are town can you play the game correctly now? <3 @Rsoultin and GB: Any thoughts on Shockeyy? | ||
wherebugsgo
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wherebugsgo
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On June 17 2015 13:40 NydusHerMain wrote: You made a point in saying that the majority of your reads are based on meta. If Onegu, according to your meta read, is town when he's inactive (because he supposedly doesn't like playing as town), why would this be the game where you break your meta read on him now when you're holding onto your metareads on other people? nice catch bro GB I'm disappointed. You sounded like you wanted to come out and play but you didn't, and now you're doing dumb shit like voting random lurkers. Are you scum again? | ||
boxerfred
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I saw his vote on BM and checked why, it's because HF wants to test a theory? Please explain that I don't really know what's going on. That brought me to HF's filter. On June 17 2015 12:33 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477216-horn-of-africa-mini-mafia?user=Holyflare http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480965-mafia-mini-mafia2-another-miniature-game-of-mafia?user=Holyflare http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/482863-game-of-thrones-mini-mafia?user=Holyflare <---- posted shit all for hours like the last 3 town games i do absolutely nothing at the start of the game while being around lol ##unvote ##vote rsoultin I don't like this post. Saying "look I'm following my meta" means to me that he's aware of his meta, thus able to change it. I liked the post about the two ways of how to play around meta, this one: On June 17 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote: There are two types of people that play mafia 1. Players who are capable of changing meta and care 2. Players who only play for one alignment and either refuse or can't change meta LS belongs in group 2, he's already done several of his town tells at this point. Digging up old,meta cases on him to show how people know him. He's sort of jokey, and he's willing to get into,confrontations to a degree. As scum he's lazy, he is serious and skittish. He's town to me at this juncture. So I'd like the more experienced players in here if HF is a player that is capable of changing his meta and who cares - or not. Especially since this post: + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2015 13:00 wherebugsgo wrote: umm well I would say that one of the things about hunting mafia is that surface-level things can often be red herrings. For example I hesitate to scum read active people too, and I think it is natural because a lot of the time scum don't put in a lot of effort. However it's not quite so clear cut because a lot of scum teams have one or two lurky players and a couple others who blend in or even attempt to lead town. e.g. I know I am not one to back down as scum and I know other players like Ace, BC, etc. who are also pretty active as scum. So here I would not hold activity as a high regard or alignment indicative unless you know a particular player does not care for playing one alignment or another. For example both Onegu and LS favor one alignment over the other; Onegu prefers to play scum and LS prefers to play town, so in the last game I played after I started suspecting LS of being scum when I looked at his past games there were a lot of similarities in effort and read quality between LS's play that game and his previous scum games. What I think is more important than activity but along the same lines is the level of effort someone makes in qualifying or justifying particular stances they take in the game. Scum are unlikely to give specific reasons for the things they say because a lot of the time they are faking. In the cases where they are not faking (e.g. when they make "townreads") sometimes they give themselves away in the way that they will come to a certain conclusion through a thought process that isn't organic or doesn't appear to be grounded in events that occur in the thread. Signs that this is the case can be seen when a scum player responds to a request to elucidate a town read. If you agree that the target is town, see if your reasons match, and if not, try to see if the provided reasons are specific and make sense in the context of the thread. If they are not really backed up by anything or somehow come out of nowhere they are probably scum. So instead of surface level things like aggressiveness, activity, lack of activity, etc. I think it's better if you try to look at motivation. e.g. if I were in X player's perspective and I were town, what would I do? Try to see if what they are actually doing can be explained from one perspective vs another. Certain things can be explained from both perspectives but you can filter those things out and try to identify the things that are indicative one way or another. Often times perspective analysis, at least for me, is easier from a town perspective because there are certain things that mafia "would never do", or at least be very unlikely to do, for example defend a particular player in a situation where doing so would attract a lot of attention. + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2015 12:53 rsoultin wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2015 12:29 wherebugsgo wrote: 1. The responsibility deflection was the first thing that caught my eye-rsoultin's first post in the game in which her comment on LS came off to me like she didn't want to commit too strongly one way or another on LS because doing so would cement her in that position. It's something I find scum do so they can give off the air that they have reads but in reality they are setting themselves up for the possibility of swinging the other way later. In this post she comments on several players but none of the reasons are very specific at all. I would be interested in knowing what this apparent metaread on onegu is now but I doubt she'll give anything forth given how hard she fought not to provide any reasons for the damdred read. A lot of these things come across as faked, or they are just surface-level things like the "lol so angry rit" which really doesn't do anything except give us the impression that rsoultin is doing something. there's also this post: The bolded to me is very interesting because it shows that she cares about how her reads come off. As a townie you know if you haven't explained something and if you list a read without an explanation you can just explain it when someone asks you. In fact this is a fairly good thing to do and lots of people do it all the time. However here it is as if she is anticipating someone asking her for an explanation and this is her way of shadowing that she will not explain them. What town motivation does a player have for doing that? Finally her responses to me when I tried to get her to elucidate the LS and damdred reads were both literal rehashes of her original post, and that brings me to point #2 2. Despite the amount of times she has posted, she continues to go in circles and doesn't actually progress anywhere. So for example she says this: So here she says she doesn't generally qualify her tonereads because they apparently mean nothing to anyone but her... First of all, if that's true, why would she ever bother putting a toneread in the thread if it doesn't mean anything to anyone but her? That's basically admitting she's only doing it for brownie points. Later, the best part is that she says this: Let's see that side by side: The best part is that she admits that she doesn't qualify her tonereads because they don't mean anything to anyone except her. This is first of all an excuse in itself for not providing a reason in the first place, and it doesn't make sense because if the read doesn't mean anything to anyone then why post it all? Secondly she goes ahead and does "explain" it which I don't know how you can call it that. It's literally saying "I think he is town because he sounds town." Then later she says "didn't I explain my toneread?" No, she copped out of explaining it. When I demanded an example she just dumped a link to a game instead of actually making any sort of effort to prove that she legitimately believed what she said she did. and then there's this Which again is a rehash of what she said earlier about me not reading...okay, fine, but as you can see in the post I just quoted, she literally doesn't have any reads! She said herself that she has five townreads, the following people: BUT that everything else is "leans" and not all of these are strong. She also admitted that she didn't explain (at least some) of these reads. Sounds to me like she doesn't have any reads. So how exactly am I failing to read her here? She simply says that to discredit me. Townies don't do that and they don't contradict themselves so blatantly or misrepresent themselves either. good lord i don't feel like dealing with this today -_- fine 1. the LS read - i get him wrong a lot. that i said he was town at all this game toward the beginning was anything BUT a responsibility deflection. i simply gave it the weight it deserved. if i'm not good at reading him, i don't want people taking my read on him as gospel, but it IS the way i'm reading him right now 2. the damdred read - i feel that my toneread on damdred based on the fluidity of his posts is good enough. you do not. enough said. i stand by that read 3. the five townreads - reading my filter you would find that i've given reads on ls/damdred and have not on the other three. i refused to give a reason for fidei. no one bothered to ask about anyone else. i was being facetious since i was already being accused of not having a reason for one of the players that i did have a reason on breshke - we think ridiculously alike when he's town. the fact that he's saying things that already resonate with me plus knows exactly what i'm talking about while being obscure means he is most likely town. breshke is slow to make reads but his posts are especially insightful. i love playing with him gb - he has a tendency of going every which way as town. he knows that he does this (but i doubt he can help himself...and know that he's bad at replicating it as scum) the longer the thread went on, the more difficulty he seemed to have focusing on just one thing. while he can tunnel as town, i've only seen this level of disorganization from town gb ls - the read basically mimics damdy's so i felt no need to repeat it damdy - his style is interesting. he used to not post much and just come in with a case on a scumread late in the day phase, but he got pushed so often for it (and he gets highly frustrated at being scumread as town) so then he started offering weaker reads early. if you actually cared to look at the game i linked, he came in with an immediate scumread on team mate gb in that game, to the exclusion of pretty much all else, and even made the mistake of townreading someone for reaching the same conclusion as him with completely opposite reasoning. and yes, to me his posting seemed very stiff. i was scumreading him most of d1/n1 until i derped like an hour before i was nk'd -_- my reads are because i know the players. meta-wise and tone-wise. it's personal to me, and no, i don't expect everyone else to get it, nor is there a real need to overexplain townreads when they're not getting lynched unless stubborn people keep insisting on it next time ask -_- if it's not repeating myself i'm usually very forthright as for VA...i've seen what he's capable of, but i also know how lazy he can be so i'm hesitant to vote him. he's scummy and being useless with the posts going nowhere and the opportunistic vote on a townie (assuming it made it to the vote thread) however i wouldn't put it past him to just want to lynch me for getting him mislynched last game as scum >> the reasons i don't like hf are in the thread. he says it's a shit metaread, and on the surface perhaps it is. however it is undeniable that a scum hf tends to have very shallow reasons for scumreading people and be less forceful/proactive. there may or may not be another reason i distrust him right now i also feel that ksc's posting is off, but i'm not as familiar with him. if he's not masons with hf, there was absolutely no reason to townread hf at the point where he said he'd just sheep whatever hf did. i don't like that any more than i like his push on ls based on reasons that don't make ls scum ..with a very short, yet not too well thought out answer: On June 17 2015 12:54 Holyflare wrote: ok rsoultin thing is basically tone weird pushing on needless shit that i do all the time (literally the last 3 games i've played town in) arguing semantics fighting bugs on pointless things too I don't like that. ##vote HolyFlare | ||
wherebugsgo
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On June 18 2015 01:05 LightningStrike wrote: Bugs since you are here read on me atm and why? you seem to be a little focused on your own appearance right now, e.g. your responses to KSC/HF but as far as I can tell that's not alignment indicative for you but don't worry you're not in my naughty bucket yet, I have a couple secrets that make me think you shouldn't be there hehehe | ||
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Half the Sky
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Day 1 Vote Count rsoultin (4): wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority, GlowingBear, Holyflare wherebugsgo (1): KelsierSC Bill Murray (0): Mig (0): Not voted (12): rsoultin, Bill Murray, ritoky, ShoCkeyy, Onegu, Damdred, NydusHerMain, Fidei86, Breshke, Mig, LightningStrike, boxerfred Clinging to the ledge, rsoultin hangs over the abyss. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On June 18 2015 01:11 boxerfred wrote: I'm leaving work now, will be home in roughly 2 hours. I'll check on rsoultin later and give a read. Thus far, I did skim through the whole thread but I really need to read deeper and with more time to it. wat | ||
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