EPTNow if he was mafia and is just saying that he's roleblocked when he really isn't, then that just puts him at higher risk when someone else is actually roleblocked.
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Kau
Canada3500 Posts
Now if he was mafia and is just saying that he's roleblocked when he really isn't, then that just puts him at higher risk when someone else is actually roleblocked. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On March 21 2008 00:18 Naib wrote: I think you're misunderstanding fusion. He means that Empyrean was a gift of a sacrifice: someone who was practically guaranteed not to be a role-player.A "gift" oh yeah. Definitely. I'd really suggest you to read through the thread again. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On March 21 2008 00:24 Kau wrote: If Ace really was mafia, why would he be roleblocked? That doesn't benefit them at all since we'll know whether or not he's mafia soon enough. Now if he was mafia and is just saying that he's roleblocked when he really isn't, then that just puts him at higher risk when someone else is actually roleblocked. That's not a proof: the roleblocker doesn't even have to use his role tonight. No point in trying to deduce Ace's orientation: we'll find out soon enough one way or the other. | ||
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Ziel
Malaysia241 Posts
Necromancer: The necromancer has the ability, once every ten turns, to bring one of the dead back to life. A clue will be left behind pointing to his identity. Or something like that. 10 turns? EDIT: removed useless extra quotes | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
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Lysithea
Sweden204 Posts
As a spectator last game it felt like some lynches just happened on a.. whim? We really need discussion and good connections to clues and whatnot before we go and let the masses bandwagon kill someone (please don't do this, tho I realize I might do this myself sometime :| ). | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On March 21 2008 00:18 Naib wrote: A "gift" oh yeah. Definitely. I'd really suggest you to read through the thread again. You obviously dont understand what is going on in this game, so you might as well stop this If you had an argument you would offer it instead of useless sarcasm | ||
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Lysithea
Sweden204 Posts
On second thought, if someone has, they're probably waiting for Ace to be cleared towny to then funnel the information through him to avoid being killed. For now, nevermind me. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
On March 21 2008 00:33 fusionsdf wrote: You obviously dont understand what is going on in this game, so you might as well stop this If you had an argument you would offer it instead of useless sarcasm In his defense, you aren't offering much of an argument either; you didn't even explain your post. Was qrs correct in interpreting what you meant? I have a hard time seeing what sort of gift Empyrean is (besides to the mafia, perhaps, as I for one do not believe he is guaranteed green), but it's possible that I'm miunderstanding something here. | ||
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Chuiu
3470 Posts
On March 21 2008 00:23 qrs wrote: Wait--that gives me an idea for a role in future games! Necromancer: The necromancer has the ability, once every ten turns, to bring one of the dead back to life. A clue will be left behind pointing to his identity. Or something like that. If I was going to allow resurrection I would just use my Jesus role idea.  | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
 I'd like to say that I'm satisfied with Ace as our Mayor. Lynching an inactive player was certainly not a completely wrong decision. The fact that it hit a Mad Hatter is, well, unpleasant, but Ace had obviously no way of knowing which role the target had. I also like Ace's strategic approach to the game, which was completely missing in the first game. It appears the efforts to build up a resistance group of Bodyguards are working out, and also the Detectives are joining in. I have a question though: what hinders a Mafia from claiming to be a Detective who has found Ace to be a Towny, and contacting him to infiltrate / gain access to the resistance group? The fraud would only leak out if ALL other "real" Detectives are in contact with Ace too. There would then be five Detectives, one of which is an impostor. But who? | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On March 20 2008 22:34 ~OpZ~ wrote: Now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the Lord my soul to keep; Guard me Jesus through the night, And wake me with the morning light. Not to sound morbid, but the original last 2 lines of that prayer are "And f I die before I wake I pray to God my soul to take" How very appropriate! *Enter Sandman starts playing* | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5389 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On March 21 2008 00:40 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: In his defense, you aren't offering much of an argument either; you didn't even explain your post. Was qrs correct in interpreting what you meant? I have a hard time seeing what sort of gift Empyrean is (besides to the mafia, perhaps, as I for one do not believe he is guaranteed green), but it's possible that I'm miunderstanding something here. qrs is correct yes. see: On March 21 2008 00:03 fusionsdf wrote: so...... we are lynching quiet people to force them to post? Do you realize how useless a strategy that is? We only get one/2 lynches a day....and you want to waste them like that. First, its perfectly possible for mafia to post without seeming suspicious. So by forcing them to post you gain absolutely nothing. Second, its possible for a townie to post suspiciously. By focusing on it, you confuse the town, and potentially waste future lynches. Third, In this case, we knew that empyrean was at best a townie. Going after him offers better odds than lynching inactive posters. This was a very rare situatuion. In most cases, Its better to lynch based on clues Fourth, by lynching based on clues, you narrow the pool of people that clue potentially refers to, and offer yourself the chance to isolate mafia based on clues. I am glad you dont have control of future lynches. The reasoning for this one was flawed. Lynch because of clues, not posting activity. This was a mistake | ||
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Lenwe
Netherlands757 Posts
On March 21 2008 00:42 Scorch wrote: I have a question though: what hinders a Mafia from claiming to be a Detective who has found Ace to be a Towny, and contacting him to infiltrate / gain access to the resistance group? The fraud would only leak out if ALL other "real" Detectives are in contact with Ace too. There would then be five Detectives, one of which is an impostor. But who? If we assume all detectives contact Ace once he has been cleared, so when no detective has spoken up, that means that all four should contact him. If more than four detectives are contacting Ace he said he would have a plan ready, which he has not revealed yet. If any of the real detectives decided not to contact Ace, then this could prove to be a problem however. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On March 21 2008 00:42 Scorch wrote:I have a question though: what hinders a Mafia from claiming to be a Detective who has found Ace to be a Towny, and contacting him to infiltrate / gain access to the resistance group? The fraud would only leak out if ALL other "real" Detectives are in contact with Ace too. There would then be five Detectives, one of which is an impostor. But who? Definitely all real detectives (and all other roles) should be in contact with Ace as soon as enough time has passed to be reasonably sure that he is a towny. (Certainly by the next day. Of course, detectives can find out earlier.) As for how to find out the impostor, it's simple--just get a few detectives to ask the same question that night (debatable whether to have them all ask the same question or split them up 3/2). If one person gives the wrong answer, he's Mafia. Of course, a mafioso can probably give the right answers most of the time: but he doesn't want to. He'll never know how many other detectives you are asking the same question at any time. If he is too cautious in playing his role, he might end up being an asset to the town in spite of himself. In fact, it's probably a good idea to check detectives against each other even if four or less report, just on the chance that a detective is inactive and a mafioso has bluffed. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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Lysithea
Sweden204 Posts
On March 21 2008 00:42 Scorch wrote: I have a question though: what hinders a Mafia from claiming to be a Detective who has found Ace to be a Towny, and contacting him to infiltrate / gain access to the resistance group? The fraud would only leak out if ALL other "real" Detectives are in contact with Ace too. There would then be five Detectives, one of which is an impostor. But who? If none has spoken up against Ace soon enough (a BG dies tonight and one of the other BGs didnt have that BG on his list or a DT rolechecked him for mafia) he should be considered legit. If the DTs is paranoid they could all use one of their rolechecks just to be sure I guess, aslong as one them do it, it should be fine. They should contact him to prevent exactly this situation, the whole plan falls apart if the DTs dont report in, doesn't it? From there on out it's just a matter of checking the rest of the bunch of classroles and be sure that all of them are legit and thereon out the resistancegroup grows and more powerful it becomes. If there's too many reporting in for a certain role we're off to a great start I would say. We know that one of the persons in that small group is mafia. That should give us way better odds to work with, since there's only Xamounts of that role, and it also narrows the clues down to fewer persons to check them against. This has to be done within the secure group I guess, so we don't out the real blues. Also, Ace could maybe give them specific tasks to prove their role? What that would be I don't really know. Obviously the too-many-reported-for-a-role-group wouldn't get the primeinfo about the secure group until all of them are in the clear. Am I theorycrafting about this wrong? | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On March 21 2008 00:44 bumatlarge wrote: Not to sound morbid, but the original last 2 lines of that prayer are "And f I die before I wake I pray to God my soul to take" How very appropriate! *Enter Sandman starts playing* I know....Buuuut it sounds better to be guarded through the night and wake up tot he morning light. Some people teach it this way to not sound so morbid...And I chose it, because I'd rather be alive in the morning... Lol Also...All this anti Ace sentiment...I am suspecting everyone that suddenly jumped on a band wagon against him. Complaining about our mayor not being lucky with his idea? Big freakin deal. We can't change it, get over it, he made a mistake JUST BECAUSE he wasn't lucky. A mayor is better than no mayor, so stop trying to get people against him. Mafia Scum | ||
Mynock
4492 Posts
Also, lynching Empyrean is only in the mafia's best interests. Why? Well, if I was mafia, I would now be pretty much confused about Empyrean's role (and chances of him being mafia are not too high actually). I think the following course of events is likely: If we largely predict Empyrean to be dead tonight, they will leave him be and have him attract suspicion to himself. If however we largely predict that they will know we think so, and that's exactly the reason they kept him alive, we should not jump the gun too soon because we risk lynching an active townie. Had we lynched Empyrean first day, that's a lot of problems off of mafia's shoulders, less guessing for them to do. Still, Emp presents a good target for the mafia even now, so helping them by going ahead and doing the job for them is in no way a good strategy. As for the Mad Hatter, I can't believe how some of you base your arguments on the mere fact that he happened to be a blue. If anything, it was iNc's fault! Ace went out of his way to ensure a role would not be harmed, his actions clearly shown it. Calm down people, and be reasonable. Now that we have a solid foundation for the game, let's do our best to build up from here, and work together with the people in office. | ||
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