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A couple days ago my Grandma was telling me that some guy got run over in front of my mothers place which is just down the street from where she lives (My Grandma's). I wasn't sure on the details, and neither was she.
I called my moms place yesterday, and my sister answered. We talked for a bit, then she said "Did you hear what happened?". I asked her what? So she told me what happened.
The news paper article was slightly off on the details when it was first released. But that's no surprise, our news paper frequently does this sort of thing. Here is a more updated story. It still leaves out immense details.
http://www.mdhnews.com/content/view/7526/27/
I had no idea my sister was directly involved in this incident until I spoke to her. She told me...
4 days ago, my sisters boy friend Dan, and his room mate David were going out to the bar. They were leaving my moms place, when some black guy came along and started yelling at them for no reason. He started talking shit, so of course they started talking shit back. They were in the middle of the street when the yelling escalated, then the black guy punched David. David was knocked out cold from that one punch. So Dan being the friend and room mate he was. Started fighting the black guy.
During the fighting, they didn't see or care that a motorist was coming down the street. The motorist, seen the two men fighting, and swerved out of the way to avoid them, and ran David over. My brothers friend Colin, and my moms room mate Mary seen him get run over.
Mean while my sister was on the phone already, calling the cops because of the fight. Then they yelled at her to call an ambulance. Once she called the ambulance she ran outside to see if David was okay...
Well, when she ran up to his body. She told me that his head was caved in, and there was blood everywhere. David already had a weak skull to begin with. He got into a bad car accident a year prior to this. He had to get a metal plate in his skull.
Now a few things about this whole situation bothers me greatly.
1. How did the woman not see David in the middle of the road. The road is very well lit, and it's very long. The speed limit is only 50/KmH. So either she must of not been paying good enough attention. Or she is a really bad driver. The cops refuse to press any charges against her. When I think at a minimum she should not be allowed to drive. She deserves a careless driving charge.
2. The black guy is not getting charged with anything at all. Dan pulled a weapon in the fight, and used it on the black guy after David was knocked out. So of course, he gets charged. But the black guy, who is responsible for the indirect death of David is getting off scott free. It sickens me.
3. What if I was with Dan, and David that night. What if I was the guy who got 1 punched, then run over. Its a possibility. Or even worse, what if my brother was with them when it happened.
4. My sister had to see the guy after he got run over. Now my sister is fairly messed up from seeing that shit. No one should have to see that.
Now I didn't know David. But it still saddens me that some one had to die over something so stupid. In a very stupid way, that could have been avoided on so many levels.
But yeah... That's pretty fucked up isn't it?
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usa. fairest of them all.
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That's horribly messed up, sorry to hear that. Also, I'm confused as to how the black guy is not getting charged with anything. It sounds like he threw the first punch and last I checked you can't just start yelling at random people and throw the first punch then somehow walk away without charges. Especially if the guy you punched ends up dead even as an indirect result.
Man, I know you didn't know the guy but still sorry to hear this stuff.
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On March 03 2008 18:16 iLjh wrote:
usa. fairest of them all.
Um... not sure, but it sounds like this took place in Canada.
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On March 03 2008 18:16 Phyre wrote:
That's horribly messed up, sorry to hear that. Also, I'm confused as to how the black guy is not getting charged with anything. It sounds like he threw the first punch and last I checked you can't just start yelling at random people and throw the first punch then somehow walk away without charges. Especially if the guy you punched ends up dead even as an indirect result.
Man, I know you didn't know the guy but still sorry to hear this stuff.
I would guess it's because they can't be sure who really "started it".
From the viewpoint of the authorities, the guy who had a weapon appears to be the dangerous one.
The driver probably gets off because "it's only rowdy types that get into fights anyway".
Not saying I agree with with them, it's just that this is only one side of the story and second-hand information. I'm curious about the weapon, was it just a random pole lying around, or a pocket knife, or something?
If your story is entirely factual then yeah, of course it's messed up.
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I'm going by what details my sister gave, and what details the paper gave. I didn't ask her what the weapon involved was. However, it was on his "person". So I'm assuming it was a knife. Or at least some sort of small club. I'll be talking to her tomorrow, and I'll get better details.
My sister seen the black guy make the first move. David wasn't expecting it. Hence the knock out. Then once Dan and the black guy started fighting. She ran to the phone to call the cops.
Also yes, this did happen in Canada. Which is why it's fucked up. I live in a small town of 50 000 people. Stuff like this shouldn't happen here.
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Stockholm4640 Posts
Not to be a complete ass, but
He started talking shit, so of course they started talking shit back.
Walking away from situations like these really keep you out of a lot of trouble. No need to get involved in some pissing contest with a random guy on the street.
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so he deserved to die b/c he stood up for himself? You saying he had it coming? :[
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Baltimore, USA22245 Posts
On March 03 2008 20:17 LumberJack wrote:
so he deserved to die b/c he stood up for himself? You saying he had it coming? :[
Um, that's not what he's saying at all...
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
On March 03 2008 19:27 Hittegods wrote:Not to be a complete ass, but Walking away from situations like these really keep you out of a lot of trouble. No need to get involved in some pissing contest with a random guy on the street.
You are being a complete ass. I don't think anyone here really needs your "I knew better" wonderland bullshit.
As for the accident itself, it's a really really bad coincidence imo. The driver is right not to get charged, you're vastly underestimating how such things can distract people. She was looking at the fight and objects that are lying low on the ground are not registered by the peripheral vision. If someone was fighting on the street you cruised through, wouldn't you too be entirely distracted by it? Not even because it's "exciting", but because you have to watch if one of the fighters pushes the other under your car? This time, however, it led to a guy's death, but she already has paid more than enough for this by stress. Think of what your sister had to endure. That woman had to endure much more, being partially responsible. You can blame her for not stopping, but that is also perfectly understandable because she most likely was afraid and rightfully so.
Unfortunately, it's really hard for the police to find out who started the brawl provided there are no direct witnesses. So the blame falls on the guy who looks more aggressive, in this case, your sister's boyfriend because he had a weapon. Even though YOU know it, assume you have two parties one of which composes of two armed men, and the other - of one unarmed. Which one is more likely to assault the other? Because, well, everyone says the other guy is responsible. So you really can't blame the police either. Unless they somehow find proof of the fact that the black guy had indeed started the fight, he is unlikely to be charged at all. Your sister's evidence is probably not anough as her interpretation of the events is innately biased towards her boyfriend. It sucks, yeah.
Sorry for you sister. =(
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Stockholm4640 Posts
On March 03 2008 21:19 BluzMan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2008 19:27 Hittegods wrote:Not to be a complete ass, but He started talking shit, so of course they started talking shit back. Walking away from situations like these really keep you out of a lot of trouble. No need to get involved in some pissing contest with a random guy on the street. You are being a complete ass. I don't think anyone here really needs your "you knew better" wonderland bullshit.
Maybe I should have bolded the part I was trying to question, it was really the "of course" part. In my world, drunk or not, someone random guy talking shit to me doesn't warrant me automatically talking shit back. Maybe some random guys think I'm a pussy, fine. The risk of me getting jumped by more guys, stabbed, beaten with a bottle or whatever, decreases dramatically. I have a lot to lose, and really nothing to gain. I'm sorry if this is "wonderland bullshit" to you, and I wish you luck in your quest for macho points. I guess what people "need" is pats on the back, vengeance and "RIP"s.
I would also like to clearify that I'm not trying to be demeaning to this guy, and obviously not saying that he somehow had it coming, but it seemed a bit appropriat. "How fast life ends", yes indeed, but getting into fights over nothing really increases the chances of something like this happening. Obviously something like this is really sensitive, but posting a story like this could, imo, lead to a lot worse responces than this.
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Jesus, I'm so sorry to hear this. That's so sad. 
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wow, thats some story. the black guy wouldnt get charged for indirectly causing davids death, he would/should get charged for assault causing bodily harm. the woman should not get charged, she tried her best to avoid the 2 fighting guys and it was just unfortunate david was in the way. it was a split second decision and move by the woman. otherwise she would have killed 2 ppl instead of 1. again ur friends should not have picked on a unnecessary dispute/fight. i wasnt there, i could only guess they tried to act tough and seeing its 2v1 so they went ahead to challenge the black guy. regardless what the case is, just dont get urself into shit for no reason even if other ppl have intimidated u for no reason, what if the black guy pull out a gun and shot both ur ssters friends? its not about proving something to somebody or standing up for urself. it was nothing serious and worthy to do shit about. u can just let the black guy go ahead and act crazy and u can call the cops, always resort to ploice first before u go out act stupidity and later regret for life for ur stupid actions. in the end u cant blame no 1, from a objective point its just a bad combination of events, but u should always try to avoid shit at all cost even if taking in some insults.. again im just speculating what happened
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Shit sucks dude, sorry =[.
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United Arab Emirates5090 Posts
sorry for David's death but just don't pick fights.
When i was living in Malmö in Sweden, there were people who wanted to pick fights with me all the time simply because I was Chinese. I knew these faggot middle eastern teenagers had nothing to lose and I had so much to lose that I never fought back to their racist remarks or taunts. Even if I fought back and won they would come with a huge bunch of their homies the next week and just pulverize me because they're just dirt bags worth nothing.
If a fucking nigger comes up to you and starts swearing at you just ignore him. You have so much more to lose than him. I know it's not easy and this is really when that line comes in "the true fight is the fight within you". So many times I wanted to fight back but held myself down every time. The loudest person is always the weakest.
I'm in no fucking way saying that David deserved this. I think the nigger should be shot right in the head but I don't run the fucking place. It really is sad to see people die and because of the legal system thats designed for a community where everyone is courteous, well educated and friendly, the fucking dregs of shit get away with this sort of crap.
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errr how fast is 50km/h in mph? like 30 or so? that's still pretty fast to make a complete stop or something, and its not that far fetched for her to not notice a person laying on the road when there are 2 men fighting in the middle of the road to begin with...It sucks this happened and its kinda crazy tbh
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Yea, I kind of agree that they shouldn't have gotten into a fight. IMO you just ignore them if at all possible, otherwise pull out a gun. Thats what guns are for. Either that or you just ignore then sucker punch and beat him till he's barely breathing without even saying a word.
And why didn't the black guy get charged with assault? I mean he punched first.
Anyway, I'm really sorry about all this.
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On March 04 2008 05:07 GoSuPlAyEr wrote:
errr how fast is 50km/h in mph? like 30 or so? that's still pretty fast to make a complete stop or something, and its not that far fetched for her to not notice a person laying on the road when there are 2 men fighting in the middle of the road to begin with...It sucks this happened and its kinda crazy tbh
50 km/h = 31 mph
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Thanks for the responses.
I talked to my sister again today, and got the complete story.
Dan and David were going to the bar to actually go and beat some one up. Some guy in bar started talking shit, but he had a bunch of buddies. So they came back and got a bat. They were on there way back to the car to go to the bar, when some black guy across the street. Who had another friend with him, yelled something ignorant at them. Dan said something back, and of course things escalated from there. Dan had the bat in his hand the whole time.
They were yelling at each other when David decided to walk up to them. David was just standing there, when the black guy sucker punched him. David is much smaller than Dan was, my sister said Dan probably would of been fine if he was the one who got punched. So Dan flipped out, and started swinging at the black guy. The black guy ran away, and was keeping his distance from Dan by running around cars. Mean while his friend, and a chick who was dating the black guys friend. Just stood there yelling.
While Dan was chasing the black guy around with the bat. The woman in the car came down the road, and swerved to avoid Dan. Running David right over. She dragged him under the car for about 100 meters. Which only supports my theory that she was being a bad driver. Under normal conditions a car should stop roughly 22-28 meters. Going 50kmh. The weather conditions were fine. Other than it being night time. But once again I'll state that the road is a very well lit one. There are no turns, it's a very long and narrow road. It has double lanes on both sides of the road.
(I have thought about the woman today, and I think as some of you have said. Just her knowing that she killed that man on accident is probably punishment enough.)
Now even though Dan didn't actually get to hit the black guy with the bat. Dan is still being charged with assault with a weapon, and once again the black guy is getting nothing. He clearly started it, and he clearly took it to the next level by sucker punching David. The eye witnesses who seen everything, even stated that the black guy started it. It's pretty pathetic. To make matters worse, with the online news article. The friend of the black guy, has made a few comments on the site. Saying that his friend was only protecting him, and his girlfriend. Which is clearly a lie in this case. But hey, what ever makes them sleep better at night I guess.
Now I'll respond to a few comments.
Firstly, Obama. I live in a small town. People don't have handguns here. In my entire time of living here. I've had some pretty shady coke-dealer friends and they didn't even know how to get a gun. Sure there are a couple in town, but the fact is people just don't have guns here. (I know I just contradicted what I just said, but you should get my point.)
Secondly, in response to everyone who says they should have just walked away. You're completely right. They should have. But people usually don't do that. I know I wouldn't. Now this isn't the right thing to do, but it's part of a mans pride. If some guy starts talking shit at me and it's totally uncalled for. I'm going to retaliate. Everyone I know would do the same as well, except for a select few. Who are complete cowards.
Thirdly, I think the black guy needs to be charged. I really do. HE IS RESPONSIBLE for the indirect death of David. He hit him, and knocked him out. Which caused him to get run over by a car. The black started the fight to begin with.
Now to make matters even worse, Davids brothers came into town last night. Now they're looking for blood. That black guy better hope they don't find him. Or else it's just going to be more shit hitting the fan.
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look, the law works this way, if some 1talks shit at u, u can talk shit back, if some 1 hits u with a fist, u can hit back with a fist. the thing u CANT do is when some1 talks shit at u and u hit him in the head with a baseball bat. the point is the equivalence of return. verbal confrontation is not considered as assault nor criminal activity unless it escalates in racial hate crimes associated with racial slurs, ppl would get cited with public disturbance and need to go to court for that shit.
the black guy is not responsible for davids death, he did not directly or indirectly cause his death, at most he would get charged with assault causing bodily harm if david is still alive. think about it this way, if a gun store sells a gun to a black guy and the black guy goes out and kills some1 while robbing the person, so is the gun store indirectly responsible for the victims death? absolutely not, everything is too circumstantial in this case, its just coincidence/bad luck at its best. it can only be called as an accident, law does not involve emotions, what u r trying to charge the black guy and the woman is based on emotion. im not saying they both r innocent. and if according to u, david and his friend both indirectly caused davids death, why? because if they didnt go out that night to kick some1s ass, none of this would have happened, who can u blame? only their stupidity. and they brought a baseball bat with them to begin with, if david didnt get killed some1 else would have probably got killed instead. either case would have been devastating. p.s i dont know how the woman can just drive for a 100m after running david over, u cant possibly explain that unless she admits she was drunk at the time of accident.
pyrogenetix have put everything that i wanted to say at its best. u dont have to prove anything to anybody, u only have 1 chance at life, u r not suppose to take it for granted and act irresponsibly. what do u think happen with gangster and thugs? if u just keep ur cool, and be calm let the fucking clowns talk shit and smile at them for their stupidity, everything would work in ur favour. those dumb asses have nothing to lose, they WANT u to fight them, they WANT u to talk shit back and thats what give them the excuse and ignition source to fight u. if u fall into that shit and fight back then any subsequent consequence can only be ur fault.
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