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On February 18 2015 00:52 Half the Sky wrote:
Rasputin, I saw your questions from last night by the way.
I don't know what else to tell you other than I saw Blazinghand at the time as not credible. If you don't buy my ignorance/lack of understanding fine, but you should also know this is not the first time I've struggled with elements in the game. Mechanics I've had issues with twice now (Newbie LX, Carol) for example.
It's not the mechanics you're struggling with this game, HtS.
I read your FF case...so basically it centers around his opinion on your case changing from one day to the next and his read on LS, right?
If you've changed your LS read since, please correct me, but I thought you said you couldn't read LS and that's why you asked him dozens of pointless questions. When did he become a townread for you?
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I asked him to clarify his read on Robik because I thought he was dancing about that one, and I townread him from that point forward. I wasn't following his logic early on, and since then I haven't seen cause to scumread him. It's buried somewhere early in this game.
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Oh, lol, the one where LS said Robik is town because he's angry?
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On February 18 2015 00:57 rsoultin wrote:
I read your FF case...so basically it centers around his opinion on your case changing from one day to the next and his read on LS, right?
That and his jumps in logic on me.
Here's the thing. I don't mind people scumreading me, but I can tell when they have valid reasons versus BS reasons. You aren't understanding my play, but I also realise why you are scumreading me, plus I am also aware your reads on me in past games have not been very accurate anyways, so I'm not particularly surprised at how you are reading me.
Carol also taught me how scum tends to prey on easy mislynches and I'm seeing quite a bit of that from Rayn, Ritoky (who also isolated the BH quotes when he made his first argument against me) and FF this game.
You on the other hand are demonstrating some logical thought although you are wrong.
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On February 18 2015 01:02 rsoultin wrote:
Oh, lol, the one where LS said Robik is town because he's angry?
Something like that. I will admit I've not dug it up again.
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Alright, now it's meeting time. Leave me any questions and I'll get to them ASAP Rasputin.
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On February 18 2015 01:05 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 01:02 rsoultin wrote:
Oh, lol, the one where LS said Robik is town because he's angry? Something like that. I will admit I've not dug it up again.
Well, that is pretty much classic LS.  I actually like that read on Robik, though it's not quite complete, lol. Okay, I'll humor you and filter-dive FF. He's one of the players that I keep half-forgetting is playing until he says something again.
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BlazingHand (1) - VayneAuthority
ritoky (1) - Palmar
FecalFeast (1) - Half the Sky
BH is set to be lynched. Some large amount of time until deadline
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On February 18 2015 00:31 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 00:26 Alakaslam wrote:
What would help you regarding me palmar? I don't know slam. I am terrible at reading your posts, I don't understand your riddles and your manner of speech. You know I literally always rely on other people for reading you because I just don't know how to. Just do your thing. You think we should lynch ritoky?
Well, I personally enjoy how ritoky has been playing along. But, I defer to your better scumhunting if need be. I am quite sure you are town.
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On February 18 2015 00:46 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 00:40 Palmar wrote:
I just skimmed VA's 2 page filter looking to see if this was some sort of a continuation of an earlier read on LS. Can someone remind me why the wagon on him died on day 1? What happened? It was never strong? He was BH's RNG lynch, then there was the CC on BH and VA definitely got lost in the shuffle there lol
Yeah but still. It's not like there was an abdundance of reasons not lynch him.
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I actually like HTS's case.
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##unvote
##vote Fecalfeast
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On February 18 2015 00:44 Half the Sky wrote:The case against Fecalfeast, Part 2I know I didn't label part 1, but Part 1 stems from the manner in which FF illogically jumped on his conclusion to scumread me (page 4 of FF filter, page 42 of thread) I later called him out on page 48 of thread for not naming who he was sheeping when he admitted he was sheeping someone's read on me. Multiple people were scumreading me at that time (quote from above is hidden below). Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 02:54 Half the Sky wrote:On February 15 2015 14:16 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 15 2015 13:47 Half the Sky wrote:On February 15 2015 07:08 Fecalfeast wrote:HtS has trouble reading BH's post where he explicitly admits to forging the read on VA from nothing. Continues to do so for next couple pages. Not sure this is mafia but to keep saying "I re-read twice and BH's filter twice" and not see what everyone else sees is a little strange. Maybe coming from a different viewpoint it really is confusing...  On February 15 2015 07:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
from my reading I have these reads
rayn - scumlean
palmar - scumlean
LS- town
HtS - scum
puppydog- townlean/null
superbia - scumlean
If I missed any quotes let me know I'm pretty tilted about losing my last postFF, since you're in thread, do answer this: So you're not sure I'm mafia, but then your conclusion indicates you think I am. That really makes no sense. Not sure if you're sheeping others' reads on me but since that's the only thing you cite, that's quite a jump based on what you had said. Care to elaborate? I'll start by saying that I really did lose that post once so there may have been another quote in there. That said, yes it was mostly sheeping on top of my curious findings in your filter on top of the miller claim which I did not mention Figures I'd missed this when he posted it. I don't like FF's response to me at all. If he was sheeping someone, he should have specified whom he was sheeping. There were at least two different players scumreading me at different points in the game, and if he felt strongly about me as a scumread (from his list I would appear his strongest scumread), I wasn't seeing any indication of him pushing me, which I see as a scumlike behaviour.
Never mind not explaining the jump in reasoning despite saying he found "curious" things in my filter. It doesn't sound committal enough to justify me being his top scumread. Now Fecalfeast has additional problem, and that is the way he looks at my reads on Rayn. I made my original post on Rayn on page 41 (5th post down). This was Fecalfeast's intial reaction (page 3 of his filter, page 41 of thread). Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 13:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
So you did. I like your rayn post, see also that he spent almost an entire page (game page not filter page) getting upset over the semantics of rsoultin's post that made fun of BH's RNG Now fast forward to last night when Fecalfeast looks at my read on Rayn. From page 7 of his filter (page 105 of the thread). Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 17:16 Fecalfeast wrote:On February 15 2015 13:36 Half the Sky wrote:Looking into some of Rayn's quotes after he questioned me on my reads, there are a few quotes of his that have me scumreading Rayn. I have never played with him so I am disregarding meta. On February 15 2015 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 15 2015 00:35 Palmar wrote:
Why is robik mad at LS for being LS? idk. doesn't make it any better considering the fact LS is town. How does he know for a "fact that LS is town"? If he's town, he wouldn't know this for a fact. Next quote: Possible buddying of Palmar? I don't understand as a veteran why he cannot figure out some of these players (other veterans) himself. I have heard in QTs he's a good player (correct me if I'm wrong on this) Now I know BH has been around, I don't know who he means by Robert, and it would appear prplhz has also been around TL a bit. It seems like it could be a way to use an incorrect Palmar read for a potential mafia agenda. On February 14 2015 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like what i basically want to do Palmar, is to figure out blazinghand, robert, and wirh your help prplhz. If we can fiure out those players alignments on D1 the game becomes really OP for the town. I also read further on the post that Rasputin mentioned on the flip-flop. I don't understand why he'd ask Palmar for help on reading someone and then through a single post, he not only is confident enough to agree with someone he previously might have needed help reading but then retracts someone he was willing to work with. Additionally I got a very bad vibe from this as well: On February 15 2015 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Half the Sky i am really puzzled about the fact we have an argument going on and instead of arguing with me you decide to comment on other ppl's posts. And this is not even the first time you have done so. Like he's trying to push me when I'd already answered his questions. Looking at the timestamps there were 12 minutes in between I answered his last question and when he said that, so it's not like he missed my questions. It seems like he's trying to reach to call me scum based on this. Is this all HTS says about rayn being scum or am I blind? NOTE THAT THIS IS THE EXACT SAME QUOTE FROM PAGE 41.Then immediately in response to Ritoky he says that my post - THE SAME POST FROM PAGE 41 THAT HE LIKED and THE SAME THING HE QUOTES IN PAGE 105 - is now repetitive and boring. Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 17:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
I would fucking love to be SK one game but no, I am just bad town. Give me some help on HtS, do any of her reads seem to be based on good foundations or what? Like that rayn post is repetitive and boring So which is it, Fecalfeast? You liked that post when I first made it on page 41 and now you think it's repetitive and boring on page 105. This coupled with the way his reads jumped on me, not naming a sheep target when I asked him for how he jumped to his conclusion on me, shows that he's finding absolutely rubbish reasons to scumread me and this latest inconsistency shows how badly he's overreaching. When you combine this with overall the rest of his play: - cited lack of motivation somewhere in his filter - the discomfort that he showed at the very beginning of the game (and confirmed town Lian, myself and someone else went after him for it) - and NOW going after LightningStrike (and I know FF has played with LS at least a few times now to know his style) who he should know is often misread for scum Fecalfeast is MOST CERTAINLY SCUM... LYNCH HIM WITH FIRE PLEASE. ##vote Fecalfeast
This one right?
The only problem I have is, why does inconsistency indicate scum?
This indicates not remembering what he said earlier; does that necessarily mean he is scum? If so, then he gets my vote.
I would be surprised if it was that simple though- not that finding this inconsistency was simple, but that FF would do such a simple thing as forgetting that and changing his stance as scum.
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Like aren't scum paranoid about what they just said earlier? Whereas if I change my mind as town, IDGAS what anyone thinks of what I thought before, what I think NOW is what is important.
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That's not the point slam.
The point is he read the same thing and came to two different conclusions, which I can only assume are based on the current vibe in the thread at that very moment.
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changing your mind isn't scummy. Changing your mind with no new evidence is.
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Was playing league of legends and I saw Palmar mention that that post on me was the first time VA spoke about me and checked his filter and I can confirm that he never really mention his read on me till today. I do kind of like the case from HTS on FF myself and FF seems off compared to all the games I had played wirth him when he was town and he just came off a victory with him playing well too so it's very weird of him not doing well this game. HTS I will sheep you on your case because FF also should remember how I play too
##Vote: Fecalfeast
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Meeting GOT CANCELLED! I'm back.
Also Palmar since you previously asked me about Ritoky, I wanted to add that I also engaged Ritoky on his read on me. I had forgotten to tell you this but I felt Ritoky took my reads on BH out of context. I'll quote the relevant things from our conversation (page 6 of my filter, page 89 of thread).
My initial reaction to his scumread:
On February 16 2015 08:58 Half the Sky wrote:
I have no idea why Ritoky is scumreading me. I discussed BH's lack of contribution and got on with BH for several posts discussing his RNG and potential non-RNG reasons for scumreading VA before voting him. And then when he claimed, I had a problem with BH's claim that far from the deadline, when he could alternatively read the thread or discuss alternate targets. Context please.
I asked him on page 89 why he disputed my reason for voting BH:
On February 17 2015 06:14 Half the Sky wrote:
Since you're here Ritoky, why were you saying I was voting BH for no reason when I'd a) already discussed my issues with him in one post and b) engaged him prior to voting him? You basically isolated that one post taking it out of context from the rest of my discussion. I voted Rayn, but after pushing BH I switched.
He responded that I lacked conviction, etc, etc. (see indexed quote) but I further disputed his reasoning and added that he did not even consider what I did AFTER I voted BH.
On February 17 2015 06:36 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2015 06:17 ritoky wrote:
you spent your entirety of your early posts that were meaningful/I can remember being all about that rayn mafia lyfe, then voted on him, then almost on a dime went onto BH for what I felt was a weak reason. made me think you lacked conviction in your rayn read that you had built. makes you suspect, makes you feel like you were looking for an excuse to unvote rayn. You can have conviction on multiple reads, surprised you didn't see or consider the things I said after I voted BH.
The fact I didn't move my vote from BH prior to going to bed (after the cc, but before the whole dual-JK issue came up) should probably tell you something, and that something shouldn't be a scumlike behaviour.
...which further supports him taking my actions out of context AND trying to push me for a BS reason (saying my reasoning for voting him was weak).
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On February 18 2015 01:24 Palmar wrote:
changing your mind isn't scummy. Changing your mind with no new evidence is.
##Vlte: FecalFeast
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On February 18 2015 01:24 Palmar wrote:
That's not the point slam.
The point is he read the same thing and came to two different conclusions, which I can only assume are based on the current vibe in the thread at that very moment.
100%.
Slam, his second conclusion was in answer to what Ritoky asked of him. Ritoky was (and still is) scumreading me.
His first was a general reaction to my initial post, and Rasputin IIRC also liked it as well.
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