But he asks Artanis what he thinks of ritoky + DrH even though he townread DrH and didn't mention ritoiky.
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Vivax
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But he asks Artanis what he thinks of ritoky + DrH even though he townread DrH and didn't mention ritoiky. | ||
KelsierSC
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you got me. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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Vivax
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No mention of ritoky's alignment. He ignores the arguments SL uses for ritoky being scum, and only asks him if he has a townread on DrH. Then he posts a case on geript, Artanis comes in, and Kels asks Artanis to look at that DrH + ritoky stuff before. But Kels didn't have a scumread among the two, he ignored ritoky, and still deemed it more worthy to point Artanis to DrH and ritoky than to his own geript case. | ||
GlowingBear
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On January 16 2015 10:33 Vivax wrote: OK. THIS IS SLAM DUNK. Step 1: Open KElsiers filter Step 2; Go to D1 where he says DrH is super tryhard town Step 2: Go where he asks Sl why he thinks DrH is town. And then, after not having given a single comment on ritoky: TADAAAAAAA http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474082-imperial-mafia?page=24#463 Sorry, why is he mafia for this? | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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sicklucker
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On January 16 2015 00:04 Damdred wrote: I ask one question and none can give me a straight answer, SL and GB are yelling about my activity levels. How are my activity levels different from the other town or mafia games i've played? The answer is honestly clear my activity level here is HIGHER than in any other game i've played before I think. Anyway, I begged everyone to switch to super d2 to get off of a town geript. I mean begged, and now i wasn't the driving force trying to get him lynched? I really can't defend against a narrative though I mean I was begging them. No one really listened to me. Did they listen to you? | ||
Vivax
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On January 16 2015 10:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hm, that's a fair point. Asking about a read on your supertown when you have a case on someone you believe is scum is pretty out of the blue. It's cause he knew ritoky was scum but never said so. Hence why that issue looked more important to him than his own case. | ||
KelsierSC
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GlowingBear
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Town Kelsier is marked by aggressiveness http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?user=KelsierSC&page=12 I've played Guilty Mini Mafia with him and he was extremely aggressive. It was his FIRST game and his stances were really clear. Whoever read him as scum was promptly answered with a hostile post. Also, his posts seems a bit more extensive when town. Check these posts: On August 26 2014 22:22 KelsierSC wrote: Yeh you are fucking retarded or you just don't read properly. Va or Onegu are the targets for the lynch, they seemed scummy and inactive D1, they were not there for deadline , they seemed happy to let town wonder, they did not vote on robik. He can claim JoaT and say he checked rayn during the night. Like I have said this multiple times. I am not "hunting" SK, but my top town don't trust Hapa I can believe he is the SK and I don't think SK would be wise to try and lynch mafia at this point. I KNOW SK DOES NOT KNOW if Va is mafia, but if sk is voting for VA it is more likely he thinks VA is town than mafia. Your gameplay has been bad in my opinion. In the night you read rayn and me as scum, rayn flipped town and it is fairly obvious I am town. I don't even know what you are doing today. firstly you think VA is mafia, then I hard defend VA. so you unvote Va thinking he is legit now and then say I am mafia? If I am mafia I would just push on VA. you have no logic which is why I continue to think your gameplay is bad. I don't check old games sorry, your logic in THIS GAME is just flawed On August 26 2014 22:51 KelsierSC wrote: I don't think you can ever consider what I am doing as "trying to force a ML on Onegu", I gave solid reasons why he is scum none of my reasoning was flawed. If i "push" on onegu and he is town that reflects badly on me. If I just quietly vote on VA with the rest of town and he dies then there is no suspicion on me at all because everyone thought he was mafia. I think I was the first person to hard defend VA and his claim. I had no reasons for this. It is painful when confirmed town is this shit tier. Mafia Kelsier is marked by relaxation and strong townreads http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?user=KelsierSC&page=14 Fifth post of his filter: On October 07 2014 00:36 KelsierSC wrote: Bats and Oats are both town to me, "Bats trap" seems like a good town angle to me, I don't think Oats is faking frustration and it feels town to me. Ala is town, I like how he pointed out how HF just stepped in and started flinging shit. Grack seems really jokey and happy and posting a lot so probably town.. I don't like HF because of the aforementioned reason and the early vote just felt like he was totally misreading the thread. I also really didn't like this at all. I think it was such a meaningless and stupid question that no one bothered to respond to it. it just felt like a question to ask to appear active and buddy someone. It's the fifth post and he has already got townreads over bad reasons. See that he isn't that aggressive in this post either. Calls people town, but HF is just "weird". Also, look at the bolded on these next quotes. They are similar to some excuses Kelsier brings to the game: + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2014 09:43 KelsierSC wrote: I made it clear I thought OO was scum after he just abandoned the thread. Was there a really huge push by anyone d1 of any consequence. you pushed on lian, yep. can't think of anything else off the top of my head. Palmar came into the thread really late and I gave a pretty hard scum read of him, I also gave good reasons why liam is mafia, some of them you included in your big post. but I am not going to push a lynch on someone and maybe ML when it is clear OO is mafia. I wasn't directing pressure away. at the time bh came in with his RNG I really felt it was disruptive to the thread. I don't see how that makes me scummy if I get annoyed when town gets disrupted. and this obi thing is just silly, he was scummy, lots of town agreed with me. I led a push on him. I didn't just sit back or switch to an easier target. On October 15 2014 19:11 KelsierSC wrote: Slammed at work today, will make my case tonight. my reads haven't changed, slam is still mafia I think palmar is poisoner. given obi is cop. I imagine he checked hf n1 and then n2 he checked someone who died and that is why he didn't reveal. maybe bh was a good check for him. Either way i think the only relevant thing from obi being cop is that he called hf clear town. for palmar he kind of lurked and didn't contribute until d3 and that point his agenda was to kill hf and then wanting the medic to come out. Didn't agree with the logic. I don't like how he has such a strong town read on me. Yeh ive played a town game but my reads have been off considering i wanted to vote obi. for slam, what bugs me is that he admits the mafia is between him and me, then he proceeds to vote on dam, why, does he think dam is poisoner, i don't see how anyone can have that belief , again it just seemed like he wanted to lunch anyone that wasn't him. He also spoke nonsense for two days and was happy to vote obi because bh was doing it. I don't like his reasons. His play yesterday was illogical and he seemed to be wanting to cover his tracks. He was happy to be on a hf is psnr wagon with palmar, why isn't he concerned that palmar is suddenly alive and pushing the lynch on hf. he said "i think palmar and hf are both right" but they were saying different things. then you look at his votes and it doesn't look good either. i will make a case with quotes etc tonight, but csnt really do it in my phone. as for me. Ive been less active last day and night phase but i was still figuring out the game and did some excellent analysis on palmar being poisoner which people just ignored. The main scum read on me is i voted obi. I explained i found him scummy however it is not true that i jumped on a wagon ,.i led the push beginning d2 i had excellent reasons for it. tldr palmar psnr, slam mafia | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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On January 16 2015 10:45 KelsierSC wrote: Or maybe the crazy theory that I want to get a read on artanis so I ask him a question. The problem with this is that, if I'm getting Vivax right, you just made a case on Geript. Generally when you make a case you want attention for it and your focus is on getting that person lynched. Why wouldn't you ask me my opinion on Geript? Why Dr.H/Ritoky? | ||
GlowingBear
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On December 31 2014 20:37 KelsierSC wrote: I suppose you do sort of call eden scummy when you say "I agree with chyz" I don't think DRH had an unreasonable statement , on first glance you only have one real read. if you don't count meh as a read. I read DRH as super eager , try hard town. 9th post of his filter in this game. I'm convinced. | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On January 16 2015 10:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The problem with this is that, if I'm getting Vivax right, you just made a case on Geript. Generally when you make a case you want attention for it and your focus is on getting that person lynched. Why wouldn't you ask me my opinion on Geript? Why Dr.H/Ritoky? I was trying to get a read on you, geript isn't the only person in the game and I already made my case on him. | ||
GlowingBear
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Artanis[Xp]
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On January 16 2015 10:53 KelsierSC wrote: I was trying to get a read on you, geript isn't the only person in the game and I already made my case on him. You'd already made your case on Dr.H being town too so that can't be an argument. | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On January 16 2015 10:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You'd already made your case on Dr.H being town too so that can't be an argument. I ask you a question to get a read on you. I don't understand why that makes me scummy. | ||
GlowingBear
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Things go wrong and Robik flips blue. Ritoky is on the chopping block, everybody scumreads him, but Kelsier tries, without success, to get Vivax lynched (see day3 or 4 votecount). The only people voting Vivax are Kelsier and SL. It's true. Kelsier is scum. | ||
GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
Which is... bad. He did that kind of blue fishing on Christmas Carol. He got Marley. I'm more convinced that KSC is scum than even LM and Marv. | ||
Artanis[Xp]
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On January 16 2015 10:56 KelsierSC wrote: I ask you a question to get a read on you. I don't understand why that makes me scummy. You went from Point A (Townreading Dr.H) to Point B (Scumreading Geript) to Point C (asking me questions to get a read on me). You say you didn't ask me about Geript because you already made your case on him. That's in contradiction with asking me about Dr.H, because you already made your case on him too (but Town rather than scum). In fact, it makes less sense to ask me about Dr.H than Geript because when you're town you want people to think about your scumreads, not your townreads. | ||
GlowingBear
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But every red flag is risen regarding KSC. | ||
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