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Vote count:
Elvis! (1): Breshke Breshke (2): abuse, Elvis! Fecalfeast (1): Rad
Not voting (3): Fecalfeast, loafery, Superbia
Currently, Breshke is set to be lynched. Deadline is Saturday, Oct 11 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). Voting is mandatory!
If there are errors, please let us know.
+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +VOTE: Breshke voted Elvis! ( post) VOTE: abuse voted Breshke ( post) VOTE: Elvis! voted Breahke ( postVOTE: Rad voted Fecalfeast ( post
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On October 11 2014 08:30 Superbia wrote: In fact, rad. Why the fuck did that make you doubt your read on me?
*SIGH* Superbia... it was a pressure move.
4 people on Zen at the lynch. Probably at least 1 scum on him. Possibly 2.
How do you go from pressuring him like that to letting him off the hook so easily and stopping me in my tracks?
On October 11 2014 05:17 Superbia wrote: Lol, who are you mafia with?
On October 11 2014 05:45 Superbia wrote: So it was a future-read? Sick.
On October 11 2014 05:47 Superbia wrote: So let me get this straight: You scumread me at EoN1 because I'm poking you during D2?
Some advice from D1 Superbia.
On October 09 2014 05:33 Superbia wrote: If you want to pressure someone, you pressure them. If other people are pressuring them, you should be happy.
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Whatever man. You make a post that ends up in some random vote that doesn't have anything to do with the post. That confuses the fuck out of me.
I'll wait and see what FF cooks up with his reads.
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Ok so I invented a really fun game just now. It's called "How many times does loafery imply that he's town, or that others are calling him town?" + Show Spoiler +On October 07 2014 15:13 loafery wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 14:37 abuse wrote: where on earth is the "good reasoning". Why is it wrong to chase you. How on earth can you trust them based something like that. Since when is "haven't done anything suspicious" a town tell. If anything it's a scum tell. "I'm sure they're capable" how the hell can you be sure of something like this at this point in the game. How can town be sure that someone else is town before N1 and after they have had no real conversation with them whatsoever.
there are so many things wrong with this post I don't even know how to end this I first thought there was 5/6 blue roles. I thought it was easy game. ff showed me it wasn't so. I admit my mistake and ff retracts his suspicions. If I were scum why would I even think of getting an easy win. I would havent mentioned anything at all. You're coming off as very over reactive to my posts. It's all good but I have done nothing wrong. On October 07 2014 15:59 loafery wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 15:23 abuse wrote:On October 07 2014 15:13 loafery wrote:On October 07 2014 14:37 abuse wrote: where on earth is the "good reasoning". Why is it wrong to chase you. How on earth can you trust them based something like that. Since when is "haven't done anything suspicious" a town tell. If anything it's a scum tell. "I'm sure they're capable" how the hell can you be sure of something like this at this point in the game. How can town be sure that someone else is town before N1 and after they have had no real conversation with them whatsoever.
there are so many things wrong with this post I don't even know how to end this I first thought there was 5/6 blue roles. I thought it was easy game. ff showed me it wasn't so. I admit my mistake and ff retracts his suspicions. If I were scum why would I even think of getting an easy win. I would havent mentioned anything at all. You're coming off as very over reactive to my posts. It's all good but I have done nothing wrong. I don't care what you did at that point. What I care is what you did afterwards. How the hell can you call yourself confirmed town for something like this. That is scummy beyond belief. Also all the things I mentioned in this post you quoted. You have not addressed any of the issues I point out. Please do so and do so well. Otherwise, no way in hell am I removing my vote from you. Right now it seems like you're using the excuse of a newbie to make everyone wear gloves while around you. You're signaling that you are definitely town based on a incredibly stupid reason which is in no way alignment indicative, you imply that people should not chase you or suspect you, you also trust 2 people in the game already, after no real interactions at all and you're trying to buddy them. All this makes absolutely no sense from a town mindset. It comes from a mindset of scum who wants to stay below radar and does not want people to read their posts and judge their posts. The goal of such a mindset, is "I want to get in as many towncircles as possible and stay below the radar" not "I want to find and lynch scum" I am not coming very overreactive. You slipped hard. And your defense so far was trash, and nonexisten. Really? would I be so blunt about it? Don't you think mafia would rather stay low and not post anything of worth to the discussion than being so open and starting discussion in any way possible. Your talking about very high tactics that would need a high skill cap to achieve for me to get into as many town circles. And I was on the radar from the start so I failed in going below the radar and am the center of attention. I think my reasons are legit in getting town reads from ff. He thought I gave valid reasons and realizing a scum mindset wouldn't act this way backed off. I think scum mindset there would pursue the matter no matter what because I did have dirt on my hands in proposing a mass claim and ff's actions to follow the post was very townesque to me. He had valid arguements against me to which I admit I was wrong and that was that. But the vibes I'm getting from you are...you are really trying hard to lynch me no matter what. I see you have your reasons for which I have answered, but I don't understand what more I can do to prove my innocence. Keep questioning more if you will. Anything I missed? On October 08 2014 09:19 loafery wrote: Firstly I don't really get what the difference is between calling myself town and confirmed town.
And for abuse to pick up on this and accuse me of being scum seems a little far fetched to me. On October 08 2014 09:45 loafery wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 09:29 Breshke wrote:On October 08 2014 07:40 loafery wrote: "This set-up is based off of the Matrix6 setup with added flavor. This is a semi-open set-up meaning that while all of the roles possible will be displayed the number of each role in game is unknown."
for my defense of being noobish I frankly didn't read this part of the OP. My mistake. To be frank, it's my first time playing semi-open or any kind of open setup. It's always been where everyone knows which roles there are and its fixed.
I srsly don't want to bring in external factors to the game and my credibility and what not. If I have to then so be it...
But atm i want to read abuse as scummy for trying so unnaturally hard and tunneling into lynching me. Do you not agree then that people reading you as town just for misreading the OP could be scummy then? Like this is something that could be faked so i don't see how people can get a town read off that. Also in my opinion not trying to answer questions is scummy because it makes it seem like you have something to hide but I understand there been so much focus on you so there's a lot to answer. I'm uneasy about superbia and ff saying they both basically disagree with the push on loaf but aren't pushing on anyone themselves. Who are you both scum reading? Who do you think should be a wagon for today? Also my biggest town at the moment is abuse from his hard push on loaf as he was the first one to actively push his reads and doing this as mafia would majorly put the spotlight on him if loaf gets lynched and happens to flip town. How would players reading me as town be scummy? On October 09 2014 07:58 loafery wrote: just a quick post before I start reading. Is it right in assuming the people that defended zen before his flip lean towards town? On October 09 2014 09:08 loafery wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 08:17 Rad wrote:On October 09 2014 07:58 loafery wrote: just a quick post before I start reading. Is it right in assuming the people that defended zen before his flip lean towards town? I think this advice is appropriate. On October 07 2014 13:58 abuse wrote: 5) loafery please stop pretending to be a total newbie, and if you are then address such unclarities with either the mods or your coach. so what do you think? am i lying through my teeth and acting like a newbie or am i just not very good at this game? On October 09 2014 09:22 loafery wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 09:17 Rad wrote:On October 09 2014 09:08 loafery wrote:On October 09 2014 08:17 Rad wrote:On October 09 2014 07:58 loafery wrote: just a quick post before I start reading. Is it right in assuming the people that defended zen before his flip lean towards town? I think this advice is appropriate. On October 07 2014 13:58 abuse wrote: 5) loafery please stop pretending to be a total newbie, and if you are then address such unclarities with either the mods or your coach. so what do you think? am i lying through my teeth and acting like a newbie or am i just not very good at this game? I think you're newbie town who needs to stop playing the newbie card and get some help. well at least you think i'm town but coming from scum isn't really helpful is it? I'll give you guys a hint: I didn't include the post where he said he was confirmed town.
Side note on loaf, at this point in time, loaf had barely a 2 page filter where super was well into his third page.
On October 08 2014 09:25 loafery wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 22:11 Superbia wrote:On October 07 2014 21:04 Breshke wrote:On October 07 2014 20:54 Superbia wrote: Also abuse & loaf probably both town. Why do you think loaf is town? It's mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing on him so far, so I'll let you know when it matters. you are awfully staying in the background and letting others do the work while you just ask questions and try to care about twhats going on. I have a scum read on you right now.
Going to do a little more contextual reading but this is what I have so far.
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On October 10 2014 07:29 loafery wrote: i think vet should just claim. the mafia knows who he is anyway and will prolly die n2. I don't want to lynch a vet by accident. We have 7 left 2 mafia 5 townies. If vet claims we get 4 townies and 2 mafia. Less chance of lynching town. I don't want to lynch town and get the vet killed on n2 leaving 3 town and 2 mafia on d3, it's too good a scenario for scum.
This post drives me insane. There's no way a vet claiming is good. If it's a vet, mafia knows there is no doctor, and knows whether or not there is a JK based on their setup. A vet claiming means certain death for the vet, or a confirmation of all the roles in the game to mafia.
Not only that but he is already thinking about best case scenario for scum? Oh man this filter irks me.
##vote:loafery
Unless after I re-read breshke and find more dirt, my conspiracy theory can't stand on its own two feet. Loafery is my biggest scum right now and I think he should post and talk about how he thinks this game works.
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ebwop: Unless after I re-read breshke I have more dirt**
grammar is hard
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ok from reading i agree with abuse in that the bet should claim as town we get more info. FF you argue that mafia can get more info into the setup, but that info far outweighs the risks because we need to lynch a mafia today or it's going to be really hard d3. I think abuse is town based on that I agree with claiming and ff is town based on my reading on d1, but i don't like how he voted zen without a shadow of doubt.
bresh looks town to me when he defended zen on d1 but voted him anyway but then retracting his vote and voting ff. mafia would have just kept his vote on zen.
superbia hard pushed zen first and in hindsight I don't think mafia would be that bold in pushing for someone. So town for now.
which leaves elvis and rad, through process of elimination I think these two are scum, but I have yet to find any reasons. I know I'm gonna get a beating through this kind of logic, but this is how I think. Questions are welcome. I'm here for 2 hours approx.
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Rad, what are you thinking?
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I'm off. Lynching scum tomorrow.
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On October 11 2014 10:24 Superbia wrote: Rad, what are you thinking?
I'm thinking I'd like to know why he waited an entire day to come back to the thread after this bs about waiting to post until I respond to him:
On October 09 2014 09:40 loafery wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 09:27 Rad wrote:On October 09 2014 09:20 loafery wrote:On October 09 2014 03:24 Rad wrote:@The_Zen_Man Your entire case against superbia is based on this idea that he didn't give reasons for why he thinks loaf is town. You try to downplay his efforts by claiming he did nothing of worth until he made a case. This is an extremely easy angle to attack him from and it completely misses the point. The objective for town is to FIND THE SCUM. Scum hunt first and foremost, theorycraft after. How do you think scum hunting works? I'll tell you... by looking for areas of suspicion and following up on them. What have you done the entire game? 1. Piggy backed on other people's ideas.No need for me to go into the whole abuse/loaf aspect, as it's been beaten to death already. Your main argument now though is just copying me from early game: On October 07 2014 11:55 Rad wrote: @Superbia and @Fecalfeast - why so quick to jump on loafery being town?
On October 09 2014 02:17 The_Zen_Man wrote: Why did you say loaf was town without giving any explanation as to why? He's already answered that indirectly. It's hard to see if you're not engaged in the thread, and scum are most likely to be disengaged. (I'm reading the thread updates as I write this and I see Super has just pointed this out, even using similar terminology. Whatever, someone will jump on this as me piggy backing on super but it explains why I dropped that pressure on him so... point stands) 2. Constantly explain what town is supposed to do.Seriously, this is the bulk of your posts. See: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM3. 0 scum huntingThis is the kicker for me. I pointed this out before and urged you to interact more, but it hasn't changed. You still haven't scum hunted, only theorycrafted. Theorycrafting is the easy part, especially in newbie games. Scum hunting is difficult and requires pushing and adjusting to the situation as it changes. You've just sat back and passed judgement while complaining that there's no content and claiming that people who are scum hunting are scummy for it. I was waiting for you to come back into this thread and drive the conversation before making my conclusion. Instead you've made a terrible case and done nothing else. ##Vote: The_Zen_Man you vote zen here, but you're also piggy backing on super's claim so what's difference? Adding in 2 points to the arguement? From what i can see zen pushed on super so he has been scum hunting and apparently on me also before so I don't see that as a valid reason for you to having voted for him and he was town, not a very good town but nonetheless town. Believe it or not, I had already written #1 and as I refreshed to check updates, super had said the same thing. Zen was NOT scum hunting, at all. what is your definition of scum hunting? What would the protocol for scum hunting be for you? I'd like to hear your response before I make further posts.
So you've had a day to think about it. WHATCHA THINK? You going to tell us or would you prefer to just sit there looking like a newbie passing judgement.
And I'm also wondering why the hell he's still pushing for a vet claim. My brain is going to explode.
And finally, I'm wondering why he thinks anyone would be cool with him just disappearing for a whole day only to pop back up with a tiny, useless list of his thoughts and a 2 hour limit in which he'll answer questions or some shit.
What a fucking team player that guy is. I don't know how to read him though so /tableflip
Back to lanning with friends =/
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FF i would like to hear more from you on different people if that would be okay.
Loaf we don't need vet to claim if we have one unless he is being lynched. The benifits do not out way the information it would give scum. Also have you looked into my case on Elvis at all? What do you think of it?
Also i will be away tonight but i will try wake up an hour or two before end of day but there is a high chance i won't. So if anyone has anything they need to sort out with me i would rather you do it sooner rather than later.
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On October 11 2014 12:23 Breshke wrote: FF i would like to hear more from you on different people if that would be okay.
Loaf we don't need vet to claim if we have one unless he is being lynched. The benifits do not out way the information it would give scum. Also have you looked into my case on Elvis at all? What do you think of it?
Also i will be away tonight but i will try wake up an hour or two before end of day but there is a high chance i won't. So if anyone has anything they need to sort out with me i would rather you do it sooner rather than later. I do not have time to just give a read on everyone. I have to take a foodsafe course early in the morning tomorrow.
Give me a name and i will filter dive them.
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On October 11 2014 14:25 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 12:23 Breshke wrote: FF i would like to hear more from you on different people if that would be okay.
Loaf we don't need vet to claim if we have one unless he is being lynched. The benifits do not out way the information it would give scum. Also have you looked into my case on Elvis at all? What do you think of it?
Also i will be away tonight but i will try wake up an hour or two before end of day but there is a high chance i won't. So if anyone has anything they need to sort out with me i would rather you do it sooner rather than later. I do not have time to just give a read on everyone. I have to take a foodsafe course early in the morning tomorrow. Give me a name and i will filter dive them.
Superbia
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On October 11 2014 11:23 Rad wrote:I'm thinking I'd like to know why he waited an entire day to come back to the thread after this bs about waiting to post until I respond to him: Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 09:40 loafery wrote:On October 09 2014 09:27 Rad wrote:On October 09 2014 09:20 loafery wrote:On October 09 2014 03:24 Rad wrote:@The_Zen_Man Your entire case against superbia is based on this idea that he didn't give reasons for why he thinks loaf is town. You try to downplay his efforts by claiming he did nothing of worth until he made a case. This is an extremely easy angle to attack him from and it completely misses the point. The objective for town is to FIND THE SCUM. Scum hunt first and foremost, theorycraft after. How do you think scum hunting works? I'll tell you... by looking for areas of suspicion and following up on them. What have you done the entire game? 1. Piggy backed on other people's ideas.No need for me to go into the whole abuse/loaf aspect, as it's been beaten to death already. Your main argument now though is just copying me from early game: On October 07 2014 11:55 Rad wrote: @Superbia and @Fecalfeast - why so quick to jump on loafery being town?
On October 09 2014 02:17 The_Zen_Man wrote: Why did you say loaf was town without giving any explanation as to why? He's already answered that indirectly. It's hard to see if you're not engaged in the thread, and scum are most likely to be disengaged. (I'm reading the thread updates as I write this and I see Super has just pointed this out, even using similar terminology. Whatever, someone will jump on this as me piggy backing on super but it explains why I dropped that pressure on him so... point stands) 2. Constantly explain what town is supposed to do.Seriously, this is the bulk of your posts. See: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM3. 0 scum huntingThis is the kicker for me. I pointed this out before and urged you to interact more, but it hasn't changed. You still haven't scum hunted, only theorycrafted. Theorycrafting is the easy part, especially in newbie games. Scum hunting is difficult and requires pushing and adjusting to the situation as it changes. You've just sat back and passed judgement while complaining that there's no content and claiming that people who are scum hunting are scummy for it. I was waiting for you to come back into this thread and drive the conversation before making my conclusion. Instead you've made a terrible case and done nothing else. ##Vote: The_Zen_Man you vote zen here, but you're also piggy backing on super's claim so what's difference? Adding in 2 points to the arguement? From what i can see zen pushed on super so he has been scum hunting and apparently on me also before so I don't see that as a valid reason for you to having voted for him and he was town, not a very good town but nonetheless town. Believe it or not, I had already written #1 and as I refreshed to check updates, super had said the same thing. Zen was NOT scum hunting, at all. what is your definition of scum hunting? What would the protocol for scum hunting be for you? I'd like to hear your response before I make further posts. So you've had a day to think about it. WHATCHA THINK? You going to tell us or would you prefer to just sit there looking like a newbie passing judgement. And I'm also wondering why the hell he's still pushing for a vet claim. My brain is going to explode. And finally, I'm wondering why he thinks anyone would be cool with him just disappearing for a whole day only to pop back up with a tiny, useless list of his thoughts and a 2 hour limit in which he'll answer questions or some shit. What a fucking team player that guy is. I don't know how to read him though so /tableflip Back to lanning with friends =/
discreditting me by calling me newbie because i called you out as scum when we're all playing the newbie game is really smart.
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On October 11 2014 12:23 Breshke wrote: FF i would like to hear more from you on different people if that would be okay.
Loaf we don't need vet to claim if we have one unless he is being lynched. The benifits do not out way the information it would give scum. Also have you looked into my case on Elvis at all? What do you think of it?
Also i will be away tonight but i will try wake up an hour or two before end of day but there is a high chance i won't. So if anyone has anything they need to sort out with me i would rather you do it sooner rather than later.
I dont think you've done anything to point out that's scum and you've just defended yourself that you're not scum and he's scum for pointing fingers at so OMGUS.
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super has the biggest filter, the most content and had a super good day 1. Night 1 and day 2 have been much slower for everyone though so i can't really fault him for that.
There is no logical reason for me to call super scum right now. I was upset at him for nagging on my list but really he would have had an easier time trying to push breshke or rad if he were scum than to bother with my list. He led a push on a town but i was on that same wagon and stick to my read.
If someone can come up with a better reason than "he was less active recently" i may change my mine but that's the best I have with regard to a case against him.
Super is towny in my eyes at the moment but would like his input on loaf or breshke or rad by eod please
I am going to bed now and will try very hard to be here before eod but it will most definitely be by phone.
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Vote count:
Fecalfeast (1): Rad loafery (1): Fecalfeast Elvis! (1): Breshke Breshke (2): abuse, Elvis!
Not voting (2): loafery, Superbia
Currently, Breshke is set to be lynched. Deadline is Saturday, Oct 11 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). Voting is mandatory!
If there are errors, please let us know.
+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +VOTE: Breshke voted Elvis! ( post) VOTE: abuse voted Breshke ( post) VOTE: Elvis! voted Breshke ( post) VOTE: Rad voted Fecalfeast ( post) VOTE: Fecalfeast voted loafery ( post)
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On October 11 2014 08:06 Rad wrote: No, revealing that information early is ONLY good for scum. Why are you claiming that me voting for you is voting for town? Do you think you're considered confirmed town or something? You're one of 4 who lynched a town on d1.
this is your 2nd post during your 3 posts in D2 (i think) which is trying to force the bolded argument on me. Why are you doing this, because it makes you seem incredibly scummy. I don't think i'm confirmed town. I am claiming that you voting for me is voting for town because I know I am town. Also, it is not ONLY good for scum.
also,
On October 11 2014 08:06 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 06:26 Fecalfeast wrote: 2. I tried to find the post but I couldn't but from last game someone important (blazinghand I think?) said "The two people arguing are probably town, look to the people watching" in more or fewer words.
Breshke - do you agree with this statement "The two people arguing are probably town, look to the people watching"?
this post and question is utterly useless. Why are you asking this question and why are you asking this to breshke specifically?
Your rage was towny because you were correct in your argument against me, and you showed a kind of "passion" that is rarely shown by scum pretending to be town. You do seem like you are frustrated a lot lately, which kind of makes me think that you are either arrogant or have played enough games to not belong in this newbie game. P.S. your vote on fecalfeast at the moment really is complete BS. I did not understand your push on FF at the beginning of the game, and now, when FF is so townie it makes me want to puke rainbows during D2, I do not understand your vote on FF at all.
I also do not like how superbia is playing currently. Lots of questions directed at FF, asking what he thinks about every person in the game (only 1 person per post though.) Superbia is kind of in the thread, but does not really do anything worth while. Keeps saying "I will find scum tomorrow" "I will lynch scum tomorrow." .. end of day2 is TODAY. being completely away from the game for the 24h of N1 and for more than 24h of D2 just giving promises about playing later piss me off. Also, has not given real input that would be worth noting about anyone in the game except zen man, who got lynched D1,
My current list is(hello Rad.):
Town: FF
Leantown: Elvis
null: Rad (coinflip with a bigger chance of being town) loaf (coinflip with a bigger chance of being scum)
Leanscum: Breshke (mr scummy post) Superbia (mr scummy play)
##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Superbia
Discuss.
Also, since D2 is comming to an end - Everyone spill what you think about everyone(no, just a list will not do). Now. less than 9 hours left.
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On October 11 2014 15:08 Fecalfeast wrote: super has the biggest filter, which means nothing.
On October 11 2014 15:08 Fecalfeast wrote: the most content
Really? Because except for his case on Zen, I see ZERO actual content fro him.
On October 11 2014 15:08 Fecalfeast wrote: and had a super good day 1.
It was not a super good day1 for anyone because the only decent case around was a case on a townie and now we are left in shambles with nothing decent to go by.
On October 11 2014 15:08 Fecalfeast wrote: Night 1 and day 2 have been much slower for everyone though so i can't really fault him for that.
I want you to read his filter for everything he has said after D1 and I want you to notice that his "filter" after that is not that small. And then I want you to read what he has actually said so far and I want you to tell me how has anything AT ALL from it helped town or even went into that direction.
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Abuse confirmed worst player ever. I've demonstrated before that I'm fine with sitting back. I'm not going to "do something" if I'm still iffy myself on who's mafia.
Your list also does not add up. How do you push scum on rad but then null him with "(coinflip with a bigger chance of being town)".
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