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DAY 3
What is the point of life?
A deafening gunshot rang throughout the hallway at night. Knowing the inevitable, everyone woke up and made sure if each other was safe.
However, upon entering the room at the end, everyone was shocked to see a trail of blood along the floor, onto the bed. There, a bloodied Teemursu lies, with blank irises that stared at the killer eternally.
Teemursu the Vanilla Townie have been shot!
Day 3 has begun - you may post and vote in this thread.
Day 3 will end in (14:00 GMT (+00:00))
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LMAO
Thank god for killing Teemu, poof! You've made it easier
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People, don't jump on Seeyalater yet!!
It is really possible that mafia narrowed our paths on purpose so we mislynch Seeyalater. Why would be, as mafia, narrow our votes by killing Teemu and letting the last voter alive? The voter that poofter brought a huge case AT NIGHT?
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Poof, I read through your case and I think you bring few fair arguments. There are some irrelevant posts in you case tbh. His posts makes more sense when you read him from a noob townie mindset than from a scum mindset.
Tolkien, I read your posts and we should dive lilwade, and he needs to speak more.
So, lilwade, I'll keep a vote on you until you tell me these: who is your top scum read and why, and hat do you think of the case poof brought?
##Vote: lilwade
Ok, from the way I see, night kill has got these scenarios:
1) killed at random while mafia was choosing for the most townie.
2) killed on purpose so we have no doubt in who to push considering vote counts day1 (Teemu and Seeyalater left their votes meatpudding fay1; mafia was probably there; Teemu is vt; therefore, Seeyalater is mafia). Poof is the key suspicious for his bit case on Seeyalater night1 but it could be anybody.
3) WIFOM - considering number 2, and considering people probably getting fast into that conclusion, Seeyalater is mafia and killed Teemu trying to shift attention from him
What do you think?
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Are we really playing this game? Because it seems that poof is the only one playing. Can you people get to post already???
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On August 04 2014 18:58 Tehpoofter wrote:SeeyaLater is mafia Here is why! Day 1's interactions with scumlord RNG: Here he tries to softly buddy up to RNG guy. This interaction feels weird to me the first thing that struck me as odd. You mean an in an interaction that I shared with almost everyone else day? Lets see.... http://mliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=13#249 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=16#313 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=21#414 At least 3 more examples of me doing the same thing on day 1.[spoil]On July 30 2014 06:02 Seeyalater wrote: Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 05:49 DCLXVI wrote:On July 30 2014 05:32 lilwade wrote:On July 30 2014 05:23 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 05:22 lilwade wrote:On July 30 2014 05:14 Tehpoofter wrote:On July 30 2014 04:14 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 04:09 Tehpoofter wrote:On July 30 2014 04:07 lilwade wrote:
Just gauging reactions m8, I like to get to know who I am playing with. I just thought it was funny you changed your vote just based on that. But hey, that might be your playstyle. I don't like this post. You might actually be mafia. Why do you think so? Apologetic to me seemed to be understanding of my style... bump that he doesn't know me maybe this is exactly how I play as mafia. Felt like he knew I was town and wanted to be sorta friendly not really start anything early. ##Unvote: tehpoofter Want to explain your vote a bit? Testing peoples actions and reactions, tehpoofter is the most town person in the game right now. Are you sure about that? He says he will come up with a list of his ideas on people, then posts mostly spam afterwards. Maybe he wasn't joking about mafia on mafia action? If time is the concern how about posting just the top 1 mafia/town tehpoofter? For me Glowingbear is easily the top town, between getting the town started working and keeping it on track. I would be interested to hear your opinions on people GB. Top Scum for me right now is tehpoofter, he spent the first half of his posts doing nothing, then says he will get to work and immediately returns to spam. ##Vote Tehpoofter I half heartedly agree with you. I do think Glowingbear is giving off a mostly townie vibe trying to analyze what's happening and trying to get people to explain they're actions. Also for Tehpoofter, he's someone I'm very wary off, he's someone that can easily pocket town as mafia, so I'll be keeping a close eye on him and hopefully not misread him. [/B][/spoiler]
He leaves out his partner in his reads this is really odd and indicative of a new player who doesn't know how to read a partner in forum mafia so he left it until last and then forgot. IMO
+ Show Spoiler +On July 30 2014 10:02 Seeyalater wrote:
So my updated are-
1. GlowingBear- Leaning town so far for me, has been making decent points throughout the thread, however as others have said they seem to lack clear thoughts on what he himself is thinking. Townie enough in my book.
2. Teemursu- Very empty posts, not much substance to them, seems somewhat disinterested in the game, even though he has been posting a lot. Heavily mafia leaning.
3. DCLXVI
4. meatpudding-Afk policy lynch
5. JennyHell- Strong posts with a lot of substance to them. Any time someone asks a question to her she responds in well thought out posts, and also gives her insight a lot when others give their thoughts about the game. Top town.
6. lilwade- Much like Teemu, a good amount of points but not a lot of substance to most of them, if any at all. Another Mafia leaning player.
7. Tehpoofter- Lots of posts, good input, "friendly" demeanor, gives off a huge townie vibe. Almost too huge. Townie for today, might reevaluate further as game goes on so I don't find myself comfortably in his pocket. Although I'm probably just being extremely paranoid.
8. Lord Tolkien- In his first real post, he had more input and reasoning thrown in then all of Teemu's and lilwade's posts combined. I also liked his first post, even if it was odd. Hopefully he stays active and brings more input into the game before today ends.
9. Seeyalater- A fine townie chap who has been very active since waking up today. Doesn't have a way with words but he posts his thoughts often!
He calls RNG guy out on being no one hes thought about and made an impact. He says he does all this scummy stuff but then at the bottom writes it off as "Don't want to lynch him today sorry"
At that moment I had way scummier reads on Teemu(for our d1 interaction) and MP for not having talked AT all. Why would I want to lynch him so early in the game over people I found scummier, including someone who had said nothing up until that point?
+ Show Spoiler +On July 30 2014 10:33 Seeyalater wrote:completely fallen off my radar since he talked earlier.
Actually had to go look at his previous posts in this thread, and have realized how little he's done in the game. His first read on GB seemed townie aligned, but him dropping off afterwards and the weird comment he made at teemu have made me put him on the leaning mafia side, though not someone I'd want to push on today.
Defending a partner: Why did he just get pinged is what Seeya is thinking here?
Defending a partner by calling him out on not contributing? Didn't you just say the opposite thing right above this?
+ Show Spoiler +On July 30 2014 11:48 Seeyalater wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 11:28 Tehpoofter wrote:
Roman Numeral Guy I would officially no longer bang. Care to elaborate?
This is the post where he responds sorta to RNG but RNG never asked him anything like almost to me seems like RNG was in mafia chat and said "hey say what you think of me!" and it doesn't feel like it flows well with how the thread is going. He also doesn't really follow up on it when I talk more about my read later. He doesn't seem to care what my answer was.
I asked YOU to elaborate on what you think of him, which he then called me out on for being so vague. You just said I wouldn't bang him, and I wanted to know your reasoning behind it. If anything the weirder thing was Clockwork trying to call me out for not elaborating on my asking for an elaboration! And yet you don't even mention that....
+ Show Spoiler +On July 30 2014 12:21 Seeyalater wrote:
I stated my opinion on you not too long ago on the thread, and it my opinion had not changed at all when I posted that reply to Tehpoofter. Instead I want to know why Tehpoofter himself no longer finds you town, see if there's anything in there that I could use to either cement my read or possibly alter it.
His long post I shortened (full post here) but he through RNG guy in as kind of side note.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 30 2014 15:07 Seeyalater wrote:
......As for the other people, I still think Poofter is town enough for today, some decent meat to his posts, Roman numerals I'm also ok with for now(though less than Poofter) because he seems to also want to push others to elaborate on their current standings.
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HERE he talks about the wagons currently going and TOTALLY leaves out RNG guy who had 2 votes as well... and tries to say "lets look between lilwade and meat" and talk about them not mention RNG guy at all! + Show Spoiler +On July 31 2014 08:28 Seeyalater wrote:
Don't be so sure.
Also, it seems Teemu has the hammer at the moment, since votes are tied 2/2/2 a piece between teemu, wade, and meat. Maybe we should discuss further in detail between wade and meat, since teemu obviously won't(can't) vote for himself.
[b] Are you high? At the time you posted this, the current vote situation was 2/2/2 a piece between teemu, wade, and meat. Who were the three mainly being discussed at the moment. I don't think Clockwerk was even that high up on many people's reads till later that day, aside from the two people who had posted for him. [b/]
I post a list with 3 scum RNG Meat and Seeya. He comes in and tries to direct everything onto MeatPackage. He says "its a 2 for 1" I've bolded it.
Yes at the moment it did seem like a 2 for 1 me, since MP was my highest mafia read at the moment, AND he was afk for the most part(which never changed).
[spoiler]On July 31 2014 12:04 Seeyalater wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 11:54 Tehpoofter wrote:Mafia Scumbags RomanNumeralGuy should be the competing wagon with Meatpudding right now. His reads reek of mafia. He comes in and gives long cases on one person that show hes not really paying attention to the thread. He does quote posts but they are disconjointed and seem to me like he just searched someones filter found something that looked scummy and took it out of context to make it seem worse. He has done nothing to redeem himself and isn't pushing someone too be lynched in my opinion. LYNCH WITH FIRE VOTE THIS DUDE MeatPudding: If I was giving a textbook read on what a Mafia's reads list looked like I'd just quote this post. + Show Spoiler +On July 30 2014 19:33 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 19:22 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 19:09 meatpudding wrote:
Hey guys. Anyone still here? I'm going to look through the thread. You were the first one to post after four hours (not including me), great job. Now who do you think is mafia and why? Hi Teemu. meat - top town or tt for short
banks - town lover
jen - the devil is a woman but she's not evil
666 - definitely evil
wade - using some pressure
cya - too cautioustea - first to post first to kill (we're no strangers to love)
gb - logic infallible therefore must have perfect info
It is everyone's named listed neatly with a small quote on what he feels town sentiment is leaving even his bottom town to be lynched next or possibly his scumbuddies. GB and teemu probably town if this dude is mafia. He doesn't even read the whole thread to give the reads my bet is he skimmed it and made this list. I'd lynch this dude and not shed a tear. Seeyalater - My weakest scumread. He has been playing the good guy coaster. Not ruffling feathers making jokes at people being mafia but not really pushing his reads. If he is town he needs to take a stance and really just step it up! He also has tried I think to buddy up with Jenny who I feel to be town. This read is a weak one and doesn't have a lot of substance but is important. His comments like "off the table today" or "not going to look at now despite being scummy lets lynch the lurker" give me pause that maybe meat is some donkey town this guy wants to get misslynched. I don't know how "stance"-y my post is above this, but hopefully you can see where I stand right now. And I'm voting for meat because he is my top scum for being a lurker/afk, when he has shown multiple teams he has been reading the thread. Specially when a few hours ago he talked about giving his reads after gym or something, when that was probably like, 6 hours ago or so? It really would not hurt him to just say a couple reads or so on who at least he thinks is town. Him waiting so long almost makes me feel like, either he is disinterested because he rolled mafia, or he has no clue where town is right now and is trying too hard to formulate a post to both appear townie and sling some shit around. So its almost like a 2 for 1, you lynch a mafia and a lurker at once! [/spoiler]
THIS PART IS IMPORTANT!!!!!AT the bottom hes basically telling us RNG flips mafia talking about how Meat is going to look really bad with RNG flipping mafia. He is TMIing hard here!!! THIS PART IS IMPORTANT!!!!!
Wat. I never said RNG flipped mafia(in fact I always had him leaning mafia, how in the frankerz is that even a flip, what!?), I posted a reasoning on WHY MP was trying to deflect off of Clockwerk into Teemu.
[spoiler]On July 31 2014 17:59 Seeyalatosted a reasoning on WHY MP was trying to deflect off of Clockwerk into Teemu.
[spoiler]On July 31 2014 17:59 Seeyalater wrote:
Not long til the end of d1 and I'm just feeling so frustrated about it all.
I feel that meatpudding is just grasping at straws and maybe it wouldn't have been like that had he actually been here and done more to start with.
This is what happens when people are lurky or not making sense.
Please, for the love of anything, learn from this and improve.
I'm really frustrated as well but tbh this isn't a very helpful post either. :p
It's a helpful post IMO because it shows that A. Jenny has been keeping up, and B. tells us how she feels about recent developments.
Yes, but think to yourself how easy it is for mafia to make a post like this..
I didn't say I got a town or mafia vibe from it though. :O
As for my views on you, like I said earlier they have softened to the point where I don't want to push on you as my lynch for today. Basically you are null-leaning mafia for me right now. A 4/10 on the bang scale you could say.
As for my current vote meatpudding, has been way more active in these past few hours so I'm trying to make heads or tails of what I think about him. My biggest concern is, if I and others do change our votes for him, can we trust him to come in earlier during the day, and not wait till the last minute to post his insight on the game? Basically I see Meat in two worlds right now. One is where he is actually town and is trying to lead town towards what he finds to be the scummiest thing. [b]The other one, with him trying to defend Clockwork Orange so hard, is that they might be mafia together and he is trying to save his partner?
This post is odd it seems to me he like really wants to know who will die in a tie. Its hard to understand his mindset here.
[spoiler]On July 31 2014 18:30 Seeyalater wrote:
If meat was to change his own vote to Clockwork and vote is tied 4-4, what would happen in that case? Asking in case I need to change my vote to stop a tie from happening.
Otherwise I think I'm going to stick with my gut and keep my vote on Meat. [/spoiler]
THEN after finding out what happens if there is a tie he is like "oh sweet my partner still lives dueces" bed time!!
[spoiler]On July 31 2014 18:37 Seeyalater wrote:
Ok got it thanks y'all. In that case I'm sticking by my guns and heading to bed. Don't mess up the apartment while I'm gone kids!
PS I literally just found the filter option LOL. Prior to this I was actually clicking on profiles and specific links to posts. >_< [/spoiler]
VOTING ODDITIES:
Then his vote swap here is interesting at the time the votes were 2 on Teemu which was RNG and Seeya. 2 on RNG and 1 on Meatpudding he then makes these posts:
[spoiler]On July 31 2014 07:35 Seeyalater wrote:
I will deff 100% switch my vote to Meatpudding if he doesn't offer more insight.
On July 31 2014 07:39 Seeyalater wrote:
In fact screw it, I'll do it right now!
##VoVote: Meatpudding [/spoiler]
Once he fixed his votes it now freed it up for meatpudding to be in the lead over RNG in the event that no one else hopped on the teemu bandwagon... and early attempt to save a partner?
Or maybe as I've said many times, Teemu got off my top mafia list, and changed my vote for a total lurker, which I had been stating since day 1 that I'd policy vote for?
DAY 2!!!
He wants to not vote him cause of Jenny (RIP) dying WIFOM.
[spoiler]On August 02 2014 04:27 Seeyalater wrote:
Woah, while somewhat expected, I'm sad Jenny died. D:
I'm getting ready for work and Fridays are usually busy so I might not have time to make a concise post for a bit, my first impression is that now I'm heavily doubting MP is the last mafia, since some of Jenny's last posts were about her concerns about how hard the bandwagon was for him.
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Then ends up throwing his vote on:
[spoiler]On August 03 2014 02:22 Seeyalater wrote:
I guess I should vote now too, before its too late. Can't believe its almost time for next lynch.
##VoVote: Meatpudding
Reasoning, same as last day,last night, earlier today. [/spoiler]
I never ever ever ever said I would not vote for him, I said I SHARED my concerns with Jenny about the bandwagon since that was like, her last vote before she died. It just seemed like there was no other alternative for me D2, aside from GB, whom I did not have as strong a mafia read on
Odd Interactions:
DAY 1:
[spoiler]On July 30 2014 07:02 Seeyalater wrote:
That Bang on Tolkien is kind of odd, seeing as how he's said one thing since the game started, and has contributed nothing at all since, but I guess he got a town vibe off that, and the fact that he was considering making time for the game although very busy is something I can dig as a townie read, so I'd agree that for now Tolkien is off my immediate lynch list.
On July 30 2014 07:29 Seeyalater wrote:
Just because I find something odd doesn't mean its impossible to agree with it. Then again after the point Jenny made I'd put him back in the safe lynch category I put all lurkers/afk's in. [/spoiler]
This is in Day 2:
He is setting up the next lynch after he knows MeatPlow will flip town.
[spoiler]On August 02 2014 15:31 Seeyalater wrote:
.......I'm still on the MP safer train barring anything major happening in the next few hours, but if he is not mafia, at this point I'm almost convinced it has to be GB, unless he can prove he isn't. [/spoiler]
Again talking about the next day before this one is over.
[spoiler]On August 03 2014 00:28 Seeyalater wrote:
If that's so, then mind explaining to us where you are currently in the game? Lets say MP gets lynched and he's not mafia, what is your plan after that happens? [/spoiler]
Here when he votes he said "same as before" he has flopped on him several times as I pointed out he went from lurker town to voting him all night over RNG to probably town because of Jenny dying to Getting voted again. I don't see the logic train hes taking it looks like the route is MeatPopcorn is Town, Not Town, Town, Not Town, Town, Not Town.... but here he talks like its always been the same.
[spoiler]On August 03 2014 02:22 Seeyalater wrote:
I guess I should vote now too, before its too late. Can't believe its almost time for next lynch.
##VoVote: Meatpudding
Reasoning, same as last day,last night, earlier today. [/spoiler]
This is an outright lie... lynch all liars!!!!!!
[spoiler]On August 03 2014 09:00 Seeyalater wrote:
I can satisfy you in ways Jenny could never. [/spoiler]
Buddying up to teemu here... just talking about how it will go once MeatPaddle and GB got lynched.
[spoiler]On August 03 2014 12:47 Seeyalater wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2014 10:21 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Alright, time for me to get active. Free time inc.
3) Seeya: why do you think Teemu is donkey town exactly?
It's mainly just a gut feeling. I feel like where he and I stand its pretty similar, in that we're kinda have no idea where to go from where we are, specially if GB and MP turn out to not be mafia. [/spoiler]
I will probably be dead tomorrow. SEEYA SHOULD BE THE KILL HIS DAY 1 interactions with RNG are very awkward he I believe is mafia more so than anyone else in this game!!
Lynch SeeyaLater win game!!!!
(this took a long damn time so I'm not proofreading as much as I can. If I'm still alive when I wake up i'll make sure I fixed it all but most likely not. Listen to what I said and lynche this dude!!)
Also I'll go into details later on at work, but also why would I make these night kills? Both night kills were on people who had me null leading town, why not get rid of the people trying to vote me off instead?[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
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In response to your post seeya can you repost with a format that is readable. Make sure to preview.
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The bolded parts are me responding to your arguments that are directly above it.
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Seeyalater, actually, the part where you make a list and let 666 in blank looks like a slip. Can you explain that to me?
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Like I've said many times before, it was an honest mistake. I didn't really have much of a read on him, so I skipped him till the end of the list since MP was next and he was AFK at the moment. Meant to get back to him, but I honest to kaceytron forgot.
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I understand. I don't believe you but I understand.
Ok, I want your opinions on the scenarios I've brought. I want you people to tell me more before I filter dive the remaining players. I'm going to wreck mafia today.
Please, Seeyalater, poof, Tolkien, lilwade, give me opinions on those scenarios.
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I should hopefully be off work in an hour or so, I'll give you my thoughts on your scenarios, come up with my own, and my theories on the night kills.
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On August 05 2014 01:22 GlowingBear wrote:
Poof, I read through your case and I think you bring few fair arguments. There are some irrelevant posts in you case tbh. His posts makes more sense when you read him from a noob townie mindset than from a scum mindset.
Tolkien, I read your posts and we should dive lilwade, and he needs to speak more.
So, lilwade, I'll keep a vote on you until you tell me these: who is your top scum read and why, and hat do you think of the case poof brought?
##Vote: lilwade
It's rather frustrating for me since I want to read him more solidly, but his paucity of posts D2 onwards makes it nearly impossible for me to say anything. Was trying to see if I could coax more posts out of him D2 for a more solid D3 read, but nope.
Ok, from the way I see, night kill has got these scenarios:
1) killed at random while mafia was choosing for the most townie.
2) killed on purpose so we have no doubt in who to push considering vote counts day1 (Teemu and Seeyalater left their votes meatpudding fay1; mafia was probably there; Teemu is vt; therefore, Seeyalater is mafia). Poof is the key suspicious for his bit case on Seeyalater night1 but it could be anybody.
3) WIFOM - considering number 2, and considering people probably getting fast into that conclusion, Seeyalater is mafia and killed Teemu trying to shift attention from him
What do you think?
1) Mafia rarely kills at random. There's usually some logic behind it.
However, you should NOT let night kills influence your decisions regarding who is scum, because of aforementioned wifom. It could be for any reason from Teemu starting to look town in everyone's eyes, they thought he was blue, "let's confuse town", to let's make town think XXX is town/scum.
Again, evaluate a case on it's merits, not on unknown speculation for now.
I continue to disagree about where the vote for mafia was D1 (hence why I was looking at lilwade as probably scum D2), but I'm kinda reluctantly going to have to agree that cya is the "best" case right now, though I really do not want us to have just one bandwagon.
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On August 05 2014 06:48 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 01:22 GlowingBear wrote:
Poof, I read through your case and I think you bring few fair arguments. There are some irrelevant posts in you case tbh. His posts makes more sense when you read him from a noob townie mindset than from a scum mindset.
Tolkien, I read your posts and we should dive lilwade, and he needs to speak more.
So, lilwade, I'll keep a vote on you until you tell me these: who is your top scum read and why, and hat do you think of the case poof brought?
##Vote: lilwade It's rather frustrating for me since I want to read him more solidly, but his paucity of posts D2 onwards makes it nearly impossible for me to say anything. Was trying to see if I could coax more posts out of him D2 for a more solid D3 read, but nope. Show nested quote +Ok, from the way I see, night kill has got these scenarios:
1) killed at random while mafia was choosing for the most townie.
2) killed on purpose so we have no doubt in who to push considering vote counts day1 (Teemu and Seeyalater left their votes meatpudding fay1; mafia was probably there; Teemu is vt; therefore, Seeyalater is mafia). Poof is the key suspicious for his bit case on Seeyalater night1 but it could be anybody.
3) WIFOM - considering number 2, and considering people probably getting fast into that conclusion, Seeyalater is mafia and killed Teemu trying to shift attention from him
What do you think? 1) Mafia rarely kills at random. There's usually some logic behind it. However, you should NOT let night kills influence your decisions regarding who is scum, because of aforementioned wifom. It could be for any reason from Teemu starting to look town in everyone's eyes, they thought he was blue, "let's confuse town", to let's make town think XXX is town/scum. Again, evaluate a case on it's merits, not on unknown speculation for now. I continue to disagree about where the vote for mafia was D1 (hence why I was looking at lilwade as probably scum D2), but I'm kinda reluctantly going to have to agree that cya is the "best" case right now, though I really do not want us to have just one bandwagon.
Sure. But you think that considering those scenarios is WIFOMing? I'm not asking if I should let it influence my reads, I'm asking if you don't believe that mafia could've used that logic.
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On August 05 2014 07:14 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 06:48 Lord Tolkien wrote:On August 05 2014 01:22 GlowingBear wrote:
Poof, I read through your case and I think you bring few fair arguments. There are some irrelevant posts in you case tbh. His posts makes more sense when you read him from a noob townie mindset than from a scum mindset.
Tolkien, I read your posts and we should dive lilwade, and he needs to speak more.
So, lilwade, I'll keep a vote on you until you tell me these: who is your top scum read and why, and hat do you think of the case poof brought?
##Vote: lilwade It's rather frustrating for me since I want to read him more solidly, but his paucity of posts D2 onwards makes it nearly impossible for me to say anything. Was trying to see if I could coax more posts out of him D2 for a more solid D3 read, but nope. Ok, from the way I see, night kill has got these scenarios:
1) killed at random while mafia was choosing for the most townie.
2) killed on purpose so we have no doubt in who to push considering vote counts day1 (Teemu and Seeyalater left their votes meatpudding fay1; mafia was probably there; Teemu is vt; therefore, Seeyalater is mafia). Poof is the key suspicious for his bit case on Seeyalater night1 but it could be anybody.
3) WIFOM - considering number 2, and considering people probably getting fast into that conclusion, Seeyalater is mafia and killed Teemu trying to shift attention from him
What do you think? 1) Mafia rarely kills at random. There's usually some logic behind it. However, you should NOT let night kills influence your decisions regarding who is scum, because of aforementioned wifom. It could be for any reason from Teemu starting to look town in everyone's eyes, they thought he was blue, "let's confuse town", to let's make town think XXX is town/scum. Again, evaluate a case on it's merits, not on unknown speculation for now. I continue to disagree about where the vote for mafia was D1 (hence why I was looking at lilwade as probably scum D2), but I'm kinda reluctantly going to have to agree that cya is the "best" case right now, though I really do not want us to have just one bandwagon. Sure. But you think that considering those scenarios is WIFOMing? I'm not asking if I should let it influence my reads, I'm asking if you don't believe that mafia could've used that logic.
Fair enough.
1) plausible
2) plausible
3) plausible
The issue is it doesn't help us actually make any major reads so...
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On August 05 2014 08:51 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 07:14 GlowingBear wrote:On August 05 2014 06:48 Lord Tolkien wrote:On August 05 2014 01:22 GlowingBear wrote:
Poof, I read through your case and I think you bring few fair arguments. There are some irrelevant posts in you case tbh. His posts makes more sense when you read him from a noob townie mindset than from a scum mindset.
Tolkien, I read your posts and we should dive lilwade, and he needs to speak more.
So, lilwade, I'll keep a vote on you until you tell me these: who is your top scum read and why, and hat do you think of the case poof brought?
##Vote: lilwade It's rather frustrating for me since I want to read him more solidly, but his paucity of posts D2 onwards makes it nearly impossible for me to say anything. Was trying to see if I could coax more posts out of him D2 for a more solid D3 read, but nope. Ok, from the way I see, night kill has got these scenarios:
1) killed at random while mafia was choosing for the most townie.
2) killed on purpose so we have no doubt in who to push considering vote counts day1 (Teemu and Seeyalater left their votes meatpudding fay1; mafia was probably there; Teemu is vt; therefore, Seeyalater is mafia). Poof is the key suspicious for his bit case on Seeyalater night1 but it could be anybody.
3) WIFOM - considering number 2, and considering people probably getting fast into that conclusion, Seeyalater is mafia and killed Teemu trying to shift attention from him
What do you think? 1) Mafia rarely kills at random. There's usually some logic behind it. However, you should NOT let night kills influence your decisions regarding who is scum, because of aforementioned wifom. It could be for any reason from Teemu starting to look town in everyone's eyes, they thought he was blue, "let's confuse town", to let's make town think XXX is town/scum. Again, evaluate a case on it's merits, not on unknown speculation for now. I continue to disagree about where the vote for mafia was D1 (hence why I was looking at lilwade as probably scum D2), but I'm kinda reluctantly going to have to agree that cya is the "best" case right now, though I really do not want us to have just one bandwagon. Sure. But you think that considering those scenarios is WIFOMing? I'm not asking if I should let it influence my reads, I'm asking if you don't believe that mafia could've used that logic. Fair enough. 1) plausible 2) plausible 3) plausible The issue is it doesn't help us actually make any major reads so...
It helps when we get mafia talking about it without avoiding analysing in-depth. We could get information from everybody's answer.
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Alright I'm back. What the first thing I'm going to go off is the night kills, and and what they mean towards Poof's push on me. So night 1 we had Jenny die, and night 2 we had to Teemu die. What do both of those have in common with me? Both of them had me donkey leaning town on their pre RIP reads. Why would I want to kill people who were seeing me as town and didn't read too much into me? Who actually has been pushing on me aside from Poof? Glowing Bear. Why not get rid of him before either of those two? With how my thoughts and processes have seemed been displayed, do you really think I would go such an awkward route that leaves the people who see me the scummiest alive? And speaking of Poof, aside from the fact that if I was mafia he has had me on his mafia circle since day 1, why would he live through night 1 if I was mafia? I could have easily just said MP was the one who killed him since he was pushing on him, which wouldn't have been a crazy wild thought since a good amount of us were on the MP train. If you are mafia, why also leave the strongest player alive more than 1 night? Well, probably because said strongest player IS the mafia. Like Jenny said a few days back, for a player of his caliber its not hard to appear super town and pocket everyone while comfortably leaning town in the wrong direction. I'll solidify my vote after hopefully some interjection, but with the way he's been pushing on me, seeming super town and not dying, and night kills seem pretty indicative to me.
GB I still don't know if I trust you(probably not), but my train of thought is currently tunneling on poofter so I'll have to reevaluate you. Tolkien I still have you leaning town, but at this point no one should be off the table at this point, so I'll also evaluate your filter. Basically same page on Wade.
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On August 05 2014 01:22 GlowingBear wrote:
Poof, I read through your case and I think you bring few fair arguments. There are some irrelevant posts in you case tbh. His posts makes more sense when you read him from a noob townie mindset than from a scum mindset.
Tolkien, I read your posts and we should dive lilwade, and he needs to speak more.
So, lilwade, I'll keep a vote on you until you tell me these: who is your top scum read and why, and hat do you think of the case poof brought?
##Vote: lilwade
Ok, from the way I see, night kill has got these scenarios:
1) killed at random while mafia was choosing for the most townie.
2) killed on purpose so we have no doubt in who to push considering vote counts day1 (Teemu and Seeyalater left their votes meatpudding fay1; mafia was probably there; Teemu is vt; therefore, Seeyalater is mafia). Poof is the key suspicious for his bit case on Seeyalater night1 but it could be anybody.
3) WIFOM - considering number 2, and considering people probably getting fast into that conclusion, Seeyalater is mafia and killed Teemu trying to shift attention from him
What do you think?
1) After what Jenny said(and was right on MP), I'm not sure it was a random kill.
2) From what I understand you're trying to say, killing teemu would be a terrible idea by me, as people have been saying there's a mafia between one of us a couple times since MP was mislynched.
3) I think this is the most obvious choice here. Still not 100% sure what the WIFOM thing means, but it does seem like Jenny and teemu shared some similar thoughts(on me, tolkien, poof at least).
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I really want to hear from Wade and Tolkien so I can get an inkling on them though.
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