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Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
July 30 2014 04:23 GMT
#341
GB, what do you think of the people who gave you that very early town read on you? Do you feel like you were trying to "put town on the right track" or something even after the initial question to Jenny? I remember someone town read you for that and I think it's kinda BS (not that I'm calling you mafia).
Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
July 30 2014 04:25 GMT
#342
Banks, I didn't know you had such a long filter. Why does nothing that you've posted stick to my mind, really?
Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
July 30 2014 04:30 GMT
#343
On July 30 2014 11:54 DCLXVI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 11:48 Seeyalater wrote:
On July 30 2014 11:28 Tehpoofter wrote:
Roman Numeral Guy I would officially no longer bang.

Care to elaborate?

Oh man I know I just went off on Teemursu on this if you don't follow up on this or post your opinions too I will not be happy.

This is a mafia post. I mean, what's the point of this? Why don't you first see if he does or doesn't and then push on him?

Feels like you're trying to preemptively justify your push on him.
Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
July 30 2014 04:33 GMT
#344
On July 30 2014 09:31 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Also, if you've checked out my previous TL mafia game filters, you'll know how threadbare that analysis post was <_<;

I usually have much more to say but eh, this game is KIND OF slow.

Form moar bandwagons and accuse ppl...ppl.

Why don't you do it yourself? I read you as town for your reads liszt post but this kind of attitude is scum-like
Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
July 30 2014 04:37 GMT
#345
Why is no one here.

Well, off to work now. Will be back in < 3 hours. Hopefully someone posts something about my content.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 30 2014 04:38 GMT
#346
On July 30 2014 13:20 Teemursu wrote:
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On July 30 2014 13:19 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 30 2014 13:08 Teemursu wrote:
GB, I'm not going to read your case yet, and I know how you're going to feel like about that (based on last game), but you shouldn't make associative reads on unflipped players.

Anyway, wanted to add up on Seeyalater. Like, he's being noncommittal at first (like Poofter called him out for), "agrees" a lot with people, and then makes a list of reads that kind of repeat the same old people have already said.

I kind of tunneled hard for Vivax because of this last game, but saying stuff like "How odd.........." without calling a person is mafia is veeerryy scum indicative. You kind of imply that that person is mafia without actually calling them mafia, which lets you a) have your options open b) make it easy to defend yourself and c) not piss anyone off.

Making a list like that so early in the game is suspicious as well. I rarely see town have many "good" reads, and I've seen mafia more often sheep everyone's general direction early on. Making a list like that rings to me either fabricating reads or sheeping (which I've pointed out before).


Teemu, if you read my "short" case, you'll identify that I AM calling them mafia for that. The ending will make it sure for you. Read from main point to the ending. You'll see that I am not voting them because I prefer to vote lurkers.

I did read it and I agree that there are some scummy things you pointed out, but I don't think they're BOTH mafia and I wouldn't approach it from that perspective.

Hope you didn't think that post was about you, I was talking about Seeyalater.


Oh ok. I thought you were talking about my case. Nvm
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 30 2014 04:41 GMT
#347
On July 30 2014 13:23 Teemursu wrote:
GB, what do you think of the people who gave you that very early town read on you? Do you feel like you were trying to "put town on the right track" or something even after the initial question to Jenny? I remember someone town read you for that and I think it's kinda BS (not that I'm calling you mafia).


I don't remember those posts, I usually don't like them thanks to you.

Anyway, saying that I was trying to put town on the right track is ok. Town reading me only for that is strange. I'll definitely re-read the thread to catch those things, if it doesn't get more than 40 pages lol.

Give me your opinion on that, also.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 30 2014 04:44 GMT
#348
Votecount, please!
I'm adorable.
DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
July 30 2014 04:45 GMT
#349
On July 30 2014 12:25 Tehpoofter wrote:
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On July 30 2014 11:10 DCLXVI wrote:
I voted for tehpoofter because he claimed he would talk about people and post opinions, then went straight back to spam. Apparently I misunderstood what he said about when he would do such, but that doesn't change the fact that he was useless for a long time. At least after my vote on him he started helping us so I am less suspicious of him now.

##Unvote

I have not felt any scummy vibes from teemursu, but apparently some people have so I will go take a look at that.


Not sure how he would classify what I have done is spam. I have conversations.

Can you point out which of my posts made you change.

I said I wouldn't bang him anymore cause his reasoning wasn't just a miscommunication he actually thought I was being spammy which I disagree with. I feel like there are a lot of people who could be called scum and saying it was me then was only good if he misread something. Either hes not paying attention or he is not reading at all. Either way its scummy... so no longer bangable.

Your conversations were meaningless jokes and you threw a few votes around for no reason, that to me is spam. Once you finally started contributing after your small and then clarified largerer reads on everyone I saw the spam was mixed in with real posts. After that you picked it up with some decent lines of questioning that lead to information about others, and I now know your opinions on people.

This is what I classify as spam, do you disagree?
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On July 30 2014 03:56 Tehpoofter wrote:
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On July 30 2014 03:54 JennyHell wrote:
Whoa! Annoying face, eh?

And true, I didn't get a math degree, or any degree at Cambridge. I did get a certificate of proficiency, though, but again not in math.
In fact, I'm surprised my math actually held up through that post.


Yeah no way your face is annoying but you claimed it is. Why would you lie?

On July 30 2014 04:00 Tehpoofter wrote:
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On July 30 2014 03:57 lilwade wrote:
On July 30 2014 03:53 Teemursu wrote:
On July 30 2014 03:47 Tehpoofter wrote:
On July 30 2014 03:23 JennyHell wrote:
Oh, you'd be surprised how much he sleeps. Lets do some math, shall we.. He's 6 hours behind me, I got a surprise in minecraft sometime when I was asleep, I fell asleep at 5.. He had to travel quite far away, took me about an hour to get there.. so say he did it around 6 my time, that's 12 his time and he was still playing DM when I woke up this morning around 10, so that's 4 his time.. It's currently 1 his time, so he's slept ~9 hours.

We might hear from him within 3 hours, yeah? Sounds about right..



Proof you didn't get a math degree at Cambridge.

This is about the time each day I wake up and this start EOD is like midway through my sleep so I'm likely going to miss them all. Lame but o well.


Teemu probably mafia again statistically, glowing voting on a pr is bad but that's townie to vote. Jenny trying to do math she might as well confirm herself as vt. Although she did fake claim an annoying face.

Statistically? LMFAO

I don't bring other games into, not that I could since this is my first on these forums, but is it really worthy of a LMFAO
I thought it was rather a LOL or a LMAO at best



Saying I'm not funny?

##unvote
##Vote lilwade

On July 30 2014 05:16 Tehpoofter wrote:
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On July 30 2014 04:32 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Wait wat.

I said I was considering if I should /in, not that I was /in. i actually have a pretty busy week O_O

Oh well, i guess I'll try and make time for this. :x


your decision was made for you.

On July 30 2014 05:28 Tehpoofter wrote:
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On July 30 2014 05:23 Teemursu wrote:
On July 30 2014 05:22 lilwade wrote:
On July 30 2014 05:14 Tehpoofter wrote:
On July 30 2014 04:14 Teemursu wrote:
On July 30 2014 04:09 Tehpoofter wrote:
On July 30 2014 04:07 lilwade wrote:
Just gauging reactions m8, I like to get to know who I am playing with. I just thought it was funny you changed your vote just based on that. But hey, that might be your playstyle.


I don't like this post. You might actually be mafia.

Why do you think so?


Apologetic to me seemed to be understanding of my style... bump that he doesn't know me maybe this is exactly how I play as mafia. Felt like he knew I was town and wanted to be sorta friendly not really start anything early.


##Unvote: tehpoofter

Want to explain your vote a bit?


look its mafia on mafia action!


On July 30 2014 08:27 Tehpoofter wrote:
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On July 30 2014 08:08 Seeyalater wrote:
On July 30 2014 07:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I was at the gym because I gotta keep those 6 pack of mine >)

I'm gonna bring my views of what I feel odd. A little case. Soon enough. Maybe not until tomorrow (IRL), because I'm kinda busy busy.

I see nothing wrong with poof posts. And that's coming from a guy who felt pleasure of most lynching him last game

If you show me that 6 pack I'll never vote for you.


Whats your snapchat?

On July 30 2014 08:29 Tehpoofter wrote:
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On July 30 2014 08:16 JennyHell wrote:
You've seen my mouth? Now I'm a bit creeped out.. Did you hack in to the snapchat I sent to Poofter with my mouth on it?!


I wasn't suppose to share that with everyone i knew?


I understand that you are responding to people in these, but that does not help me figure out who is what, it just makes you look active and your filter harder to read.
You posted that you would actually say stuff about people, then went straight back to what you were doing before, that is why I voted for you.
I can already see the ending
Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
July 30 2014 05:25 GMT
#350
666, why are you still voting me, instead of poofter?
DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
July 30 2014 05:26 GMT
#351
Teemursu you have said several times you suspect Seeyalater, is there a reason why you don't use your vote? Are you waiting till you are more sure or for GlowingBear to start the wagon rolling?
I can already see the ending
DCLXVI
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States729 Posts
July 30 2014 05:28 GMT
#352
On July 30 2014 14:25 Teemursu wrote:
666, why are you still voting me, instead of poofter?

Because he actually started having firm opinions on things, as opposed to your attitude of "I think Seeyalater is scum(but I am not voting him.)
I can already see the ending
Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
July 30 2014 05:30 GMT
#353
On July 30 2014 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 13:23 Teemursu wrote:
GB, what do you think of the people who gave you that very early town read on you? Do you feel like you were trying to "put town on the right track" or something even after the initial question to Jenny? I remember someone town read you for that and I think it's kinda BS (not that I'm calling you mafia).


I don't remember those posts, I usually don't like them thanks to you.

Anyway, saying that I was trying to put town on the right track is ok. Town reading me only for that is strange. I'll definitely re-read the thread to catch those things, if it doesn't get more than 40 pages lol.

Give me your opinion on that, also.

I'll find the post(s) once I come back to a computer, but for now I don't feel like you did anything to keep town in the right direction after we had the conversation about Jenny. Point is, it sounds like a very"easy" read to give especially without substantiating and quoting the posts in which you've apparently done that.
Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
July 30 2014 05:35 GMT
#354
On July 30 2014 14:28 DCLXVI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 14:25 Teemursu wrote:
666, why are you still voting me, instead of poofter?

Because he actually started having firm opinions on things, as opposed to your attitude of "I think Seeyalater is scum(but I am not voting him.)

##Vote Seeyalater

Forgot ro, fix'd.

Anyway, I thought you still found poofter scummy after your last post and seeing that you stipped posting after that.
If you don't, could you instead focus on scumhunting or comment on my content?
Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
July 30 2014 05:47 GMT
#355
On July 30 2014 13:45 DCLXVI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 12:25 Tehpoofter wrote:
On July 30 2014 11:10 DCLXVI wrote:
I voted for tehpoofter because he claimed he would talk about people and post opinions, then went straight back to spam. Apparently I misunderstood what he said about when he would do such, but that doesn't change the fact that he was useless for a long time. At least after my vote on him he started helping us so I am less suspicious of him now.

##Unvote

I have not felt any scummy vibes from teemursu, but apparently some people have so I will go take a look at that.


Not sure how he would classify what I have done is spam. I have conversations.

Can you point out which of my posts made you change.

I said I wouldn't bang him anymore cause his reasoning wasn't just a miscommunication he actually thought I was being spammy which I disagree with. I feel like there are a lot of people who could be called scum and saying it was me then was only good if he misread something. Either hes not paying attention or he is not reading at all. Either way its scummy... so no longer bangable.

Your conversations were meaningless jokes and you threw a few votes around for no reason, that to me is spam. Once you finally started contributing after your small and then clarified largerer reads on everyone I saw the spam was mixed in with real posts. After that you picked it up with some decent lines of questioning that lead to information about others, and I now know your opinions on people.

This is what I classify as spam, do you disagree?
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 30 2014 03:56 Tehpoofter wrote:
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On July 30 2014 03:54 JennyHell wrote:
Whoa! Annoying face, eh?

And true, I didn't get a math degree, or any degree at Cambridge. I did get a certificate of proficiency, though, but again not in math.
In fact, I'm surprised my math actually held up through that post.


Yeah no way your face is annoying but you claimed it is. Why would you lie?

On July 30 2014 04:00 Tehpoofter wrote:
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On July 30 2014 03:57 lilwade wrote:
On July 30 2014 03:53 Teemursu wrote:
On July 30 2014 03:47 Tehpoofter wrote:
On July 30 2014 03:23 JennyHell wrote:
Oh, you'd be surprised how much he sleeps. Lets do some math, shall we.. He's 6 hours behind me, I got a surprise in minecraft sometime when I was asleep, I fell asleep at 5.. He had to travel quite far away, took me about an hour to get there.. so say he did it around 6 my time, that's 12 his time and he was still playing DM when I woke up this morning around 10, so that's 4 his time.. It's currently 1 his time, so he's slept ~9 hours.

We might hear from him within 3 hours, yeah? Sounds about right..



Proof you didn't get a math degree at Cambridge.

This is about the time each day I wake up and this start EOD is like midway through my sleep so I'm likely going to miss them all. Lame but o well.


Teemu probably mafia again statistically, glowing voting on a pr is bad but that's townie to vote. Jenny trying to do math she might as well confirm herself as vt. Although she did fake claim an annoying face.

Statistically? LMFAO

I don't bring other games into, not that I could since this is my first on these forums, but is it really worthy of a LMFAO
I thought it was rather a LOL or a LMAO at best



Saying I'm not funny?

##unvote
##Vote lilwade

On July 30 2014 05:16 Tehpoofter wrote:
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On July 30 2014 04:32 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Wait wat.

I said I was considering if I should /in, not that I was /in. i actually have a pretty busy week O_O

Oh well, i guess I'll try and make time for this. :x


your decision was made for you.

On July 30 2014 05:28 Tehpoofter wrote:
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On July 30 2014 05:23 Teemursu wrote:
On July 30 2014 05:22 lilwade wrote:
On July 30 2014 05:14 Tehpoofter wrote:
On July 30 2014 04:14 Teemursu wrote:
On July 30 2014 04:09 Tehpoofter wrote:
On July 30 2014 04:07 lilwade wrote:
Just gauging reactions m8, I like to get to know who I am playing with. I just thought it was funny you changed your vote just based on that. But hey, that might be your playstyle.


I don't like this post. You might actually be mafia.

Why do you think so?


Apologetic to me seemed to be understanding of my style... bump that he doesn't know me maybe this is exactly how I play as mafia. Felt like he knew I was town and wanted to be sorta friendly not really start anything early.


##Unvote: tehpoofter

Want to explain your vote a bit?


look its mafia on mafia action!


On July 30 2014 08:27 Tehpoofter wrote:
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On July 30 2014 08:08 Seeyalater wrote:
On July 30 2014 07:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I was at the gym because I gotta keep those 6 pack of mine >)

I'm gonna bring my views of what I feel odd. A little case. Soon enough. Maybe not until tomorrow (IRL), because I'm kinda busy busy.

I see nothing wrong with poof posts. And that's coming from a guy who felt pleasure of most lynching him last game

If you show me that 6 pack I'll never vote for you.


Whats your snapchat?

On July 30 2014 08:29 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 08:16 JennyHell wrote:
You've seen my mouth? Now I'm a bit creeped out.. Did you hack in to the snapchat I sent to Poofter with my mouth on it?!


I wasn't suppose to share that with everyone i knew?


I understand that you are responding to people in these, but that does not help me figure out who is what, it just makes you look active and your filter harder to read.
You posted that you would actually say stuff about people, then went straight back to what you were doing before, that is why I voted for you.


On July 30 2014 14:28 DCLXVI wrote:
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On July 30 2014 14:25 Teemursu wrote:
666, why are you still voting me, instead of poofter?

Because he actually started having firm opinions on things, as opposed to your attitude of "I think Seeyalater is scum(but I am not voting him.)


Why didn't you mention this in the post you obviously put effort into? Also, is the reason you're voting on me that I didn't have my vote placed on Seeyalater? I've stated my opinions firmly, so Idk how exactly my attitude is opposed to Poofter's.
Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
July 30 2014 05:53 GMT
#356
On July 30 2014 05:49 DCLXVI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 05:32 lilwade wrote:
On July 30 2014 05:23 Teemursu wrote:
On July 30 2014 05:22 lilwade wrote:
On July 30 2014 05:14 Tehpoofter wrote:
On July 30 2014 04:14 Teemursu wrote:
On July 30 2014 04:09 Tehpoofter wrote:
On July 30 2014 04:07 lilwade wrote:
Just gauging reactions m8, I like to get to know who I am playing with. I just thought it was funny you changed your vote just based on that. But hey, that might be your playstyle.


I don't like this post. You might actually be mafia.

Why do you think so?


Apologetic to me seemed to be understanding of my style... bump that he doesn't know me maybe this is exactly how I play as mafia. Felt like he knew I was town and wanted to be sorta friendly not really start anything early.


##Unvote: tehpoofter

Want to explain your vote a bit?

Testing peoples actions and reactions, tehpoofter is the most town person in the game right now.

Are you sure about that? He says he will come up with a list of his ideas on people, then posts mostly spam afterwards. Maybe he wasn't joking about mafia on mafia action?

If time is the concern how about posting just the top 1 mafia/town tehpoofter?
For me Glowingbear is easily the top town, between getting the town started working and keeping it on track. I would be interested to hear your opinions on people GB.

Top Scum for me right now is tehpoofter, he spent the first half of his posts doing nothing, then says he will get to work and immediately returns to spam.

##Vote Tehpoofter


Since GlowingBear is your top town, could you give examples of GB trying to keep the town on track?

On July 30 2014 09:18 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Biggest problem for me is that the jokes and filler are permeating this entire thread. Makes filter-diving a bitch, pls be mo' srs gaiz (now I want to request a feature to delete posts in a filter, I could probably reduce most filters down to <5 posts each). And quote stuff you're responding to for meh.


---

Anyways, quick skim through filters:
GlowingBear: Started the srs talk, but hasn't been very active past that. My experience in my second TL mafia game (fuck if I remember the number) is that moving the game out of the joke phase is an easy way for mafia to pick up extra brownie points, so I don't give any major points for that. GB, why do you peg Jenny and Seeya as your initial scum reads? Curious about that.

---


I also agree with this. While I don't think it's alignment indicative to try to get past the joke phase, I see no reason to consider that person as your top town.
Seeyalater
Profile Joined July 2014
United States217 Posts
July 30 2014 06:07 GMT
#357
This will be my last post for the next 10 hours or so since I'm off to bed, so I'll try to make it a meaningful one.

I'm sorry ahead of time that my formatting WILL suck.
On July 30 2014 13:02 GlowingBear wrote:
.:Short Case - Interaction Between JennyHell and Seeyalater

This post from Seeyalater caugt my attention:



Bolded part is weird. He says that he is not calling Teemu mafia but that he is his top scum. Which means that Teemu is probably mafia by his point of view? I know that maybe Seeyalater is trying to say that Teemu is leaning mafia, but this also means he is considering him as mafia. From the way I think, this is Seeyalater trying not to be compromised by his reads, not drawing undesired attention. It's him trying to give a read but not giving a read at all. If you're calling someone scum, you're calling someone mafia. Period. If you say that he is your top scum but that you're not calling him mafia, you're saying nothing about someone. Just looks like a mafia attempt to show contribution.
And it's in this post that he starts his interaction with Jenny. It doesn't say much with just it alone, but you can view from this angle: if both are scum, by asking this, he is distancing from Jenny, trying to put both on two opposite poles where if one is mafia, another cannot be.

As I've said many times before, it was still super early in the game and did not want to call anyone mafia YET preemtively, however as the day progressed and others chimed in with their reads, thats when I did start to call him mafia, as you should have seen in my recent list of reads.

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On July 30 2014 04:47 JennyHell wrote:
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On July 30 2014 04:41 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 30 2014 03:54 Teemursu wrote:
On July 30 2014 02:49 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 30 2014 02:46 Teemursu wrote:
On July 30 2014 02:41 GlowingBear wrote:
No, really, let's try to actually start the game.
Jenny, from your experience on daily mafia, what's the difference between scum!jenny and town!jenny?

This is a weird question to start the "actual" game with. What information are you expecting to get out of this question, specifically information that will help you figure out her alignment?

Scum!jenny would lie about how she plays either alignment, so to get any helpful information, you have to know she is town.

Kinda scummy.


If we keep kidding all day long it will lead to a mislynch. I'd rather ask questions like this so we can gather some information. You may consider it true or false. If you consider it false, you may analyse how consciously she is trying to keep the appearances she brought on her answer.

If I actually knew she was town, there would be no need to ask such question, Teemu

I like that you try to generate some discussion, but I think the question you asked is weird. What do you now think of her answer that she did give one? Too consciously trying to keep the appearance?


Nope, she actually said nothing on her post. It shows she is cautious to tell us about her play style, but it looks like mor of a town paranoia than scum hiding.
It's fine that you find that weird, but what would be a scum motive behind that question. Think about it.


Do you expect people that are new to mafia in general to be able to say exactly how their play differentiate depending on what role they are when they haven't actually played enough to know themselves yet?

Like, if you were to ask seeyalater the same question that you asked me, you'd probably get an even more empty answer, because he hasn't played any yet.

It's not only what is said that is important, more so the way it is said. Or is that just me?

In this post by Jenny, you can see that she uses Seeyalater as example, in a way that, by defending her, she is also defending him against my accusation of saying nothing at all. Remember: this post alone is a weak reasoning. You have to consider all the interactions I'm going to post to get to the conclusion that they have a strong interaction.

How can you say she defended me from your accusation when you never accused me of anything prior to then? Did you just forget what you said earlier? If anything she defended HERSELF against your accusation by bringing up another new player(me) as an example which I found extremely odd, which leads to...

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 30 2014 04:55 Seeyalater wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 04:47 JennyHell wrote:
On July 30 2014 04:41 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 30 2014 03:54 Teemursu wrote:
On July 30 2014 02:49 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 30 2014 02:46 Teemursu wrote:
On July 30 2014 02:41 GlowingBear wrote:
No, really, let's try to actually start the game.
Jenny, from your experience on daily mafia, what's the difference between scum!jenny and town!jenny?

This is a weird question to start the "actual" game with. What information are you expecting to get out of this question, specifically information that will help you figure out her alignment?

Scum!jenny would lie about how she plays either alignment, so to get any helpful information, you have to know she is town.

Kinda scummy.


If we keep kidding all day long it will lead to a mislynch. I'd rather ask questions like this so we can gather some information. You may consider it true or false. If you consider it false, you may analyse how consciously she is trying to keep the appearances she brought on her answer.

If I actually knew she was town, there would be no need to ask such question, Teemu

I like that you try to generate some discussion, but I think the question you asked is weird. What do you now think of her answer that she did give one? Too consciously trying to keep the appearance?


Nope, she actually said nothing on her post. It shows she is cautious to tell us about her play style, but it looks like mor of a town paranoia than scum hiding.
It's fine that you find that weird, but what would be a scum motive behind that question. Think about it.


Do you expect people that are new to mafia in general to be able to say exactly how their play differentiate depending on what role they are when they haven't actually played enough to know themselves yet?

Like, if you were to ask seeyalater the same question that you asked me, you'd probably get an even more empty answer, because he hasn't played any yet.

It's not only what is said that is important, more so the way it is said. Or is that just me?

Hey don't try to throw scum at me sister! To answer said question, I'm pretty sure no matter the alignment I'd play similarly day 1 to try to figure out who the scummiest people are. Now what I'd do with said info is different though, because as you've noticed I've yet to actually call anyone mafia, just trying to notice who seems the scummiest so far.

Not sure if this is you being Mafia trying to throw off scum Jenny, or just a really defensive townie.

This is a response from Seeyalater to Jenny. Notice how weird and overreacted that post came. Looks like an unnatural way of distancing, again.

Now, after this distancing, look how easily he town reads Jenny:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 30 2014 05:07 Seeyalater wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 04:56 Teemursu wrote:
On July 30 2014 04:37 Seeyalater wrote:
On July 30 2014 04:32 JennyHell wrote:
On July 30 2014 04:28 Seeyalater wrote:
Hey y'all I'm awake and town! So that's good.

Still heavily sick with the flu though.

Also so far reading into the game I don't trust Teemu....


What makes you not trust a tea drinking walrus? Take me on a ride through your thoughts.

I don't know, he just seems a little TOO eager, you know what I mean? Like going off so hard to get people to like him(including cute pictures as well!) makes me not trust him too much. Not calling him mafia or anything, just my top scum from what has been happening here so far!

Are you his partner Jenny? :o

I really really like that you're giving reads, but I dislike the bolded.

I was trying to get a reaction from Jenny, who I've been on the fence about, but her recent reply above me seemed somewhat genuine, so I'd say she's my top town at the moment.

Do you know which post made him get this read?:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 30 2014 04:59 JennyHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 04:55 Seeyalater wrote:
On July 30 2014 04:47 JennyHell wrote:
On July 30 2014 04:41 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 30 2014 03:54 Teemursu wrote:
On July 30 2014 02:49 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 30 2014 02:46 Teemursu wrote:
On July 30 2014 02:41 GlowingBear wrote:
No, really, let's try to actually start the game.
Jenny, from your experience on daily mafia, what's the difference between scum!jenny and town!jenny?

This is a weird question to start the "actual" game with. What information are you expecting to get out of this question, specifically information that will help you figure out her alignment?

Scum!jenny would lie about how she plays either alignment, so to get any helpful information, you have to know she is town.

Kinda scummy.


If we keep kidding all day long it will lead to a mislynch. I'd rather ask questions like this so we can gather some information. You may consider it true or false. If you consider it false, you may analyse how consciously she is trying to keep the appearances she brought on her answer.

If I actually knew she was town, there would be no need to ask such question, Teemu

I like that you try to generate some discussion, but I think the question you asked is weird. What do you now think of her answer that she did give one? Too consciously trying to keep the appearance?


Nope, she actually said nothing on her post. It shows she is cautious to tell us about her play style, but it looks like mor of a town paranoia than scum hiding.
It's fine that you find that weird, but what would be a scum motive behind that question. Think about it.


Do you expect people that are new to mafia in general to be able to say exactly how their play differentiate depending on what role they are when they haven't actually played enough to know themselves yet?

Like, if you were to ask seeyalater the same question that you asked me, you'd probably get an even more empty answer, because he hasn't played any yet.

It's not only what is said that is important, more so the way it is said. Or is that just me?

Hey don't try to throw scum at me sister! To answer said question, I'm pretty sure no matter the alignment I'd play similarly day 1 to try to figure out who the scummiest people are. Now what I'd do with said info is different though, because as you've noticed I've yet to actually call anyone mafia, just trying to notice who seems the scummiest so far.

Not sure if this is you being Mafia trying to throw off scum Jenny, or just a really defensive townie.


Sorry if it looked like I was trying to make you seem scummy. I was merely pointing out a flaw that I saw in the question he asked me. It really had nothing to do with you, just brought you in as a way to explain the way I viewed it.

What, WHAT in this post is so townie that completely changes you perception regarding someone?
Do you get how odd this is?

She explained herself in detail both in this post, and another post right above mine- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=11#205

She both reacted to my post in a matter that seemed non scummy to me, AND also tried to understand what I was trying to get town to see. Its day 1, reads can change pretty easily on that day if someone says something favorably.



Now, THIS IS THE MAIN POINT. Finding the odd contradictions from the first post I quoted from Seeyalater, I decided to push him on it (you can look my post on the nested quote). I've got a response. From him? NOPE, from Jenny!
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 30 2014 05:01 JennyHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2014 04:58 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 30 2014 04:37 Seeyalater wrote:
On July 30 2014 04:32 JennyHell wrote:
On July 30 2014 04:28 Seeyalater wrote:
Hey y'all I'm awake and town! So that's good.

Still heavily sick with the flu though.

Also so far reading into the game I don't trust Teemu....


What makes you not trust a tea drinking walrus? Take me on a ride through your thoughts.

I don't know, he just seems a little TOO eager, you know what I mean? Like going off so hard to get people to like him(including cute pictures as well!) makes me not trust him too much. Not calling him mafia or anything, just my top scum from what has been happening here so far!

Are you his partner Jenny? :o


Lol wait. How can you not be calling him mafia or anything if you're saying he is your top scum read?


My guess, he starts off reading everyone as town, trying to figure out who is scummy enough to be mafia.
So he's saying they're leaning mafia, or the things they said are questionable for a town.

Personally I start reading everyone as mafia, and see who proves to me they are towny and can be trusted enough to be in the town circle with me.

But that's just my guess. I could be wrong.

Why didn't she let him answer my question? More than that, why is she somehow defending him instead of helping me pushing him? His post was odd, we needed to get more information from him. She decides to explain his attitude instead of trying to discover if he got mafia motives! This, for me, is a signal of a possible scum trying to defend his partner. He didn't even got the chance to explain himself BEFORE she posts this.

I did answer your question, right below hers, and at most 1 minute apart from each other, so its not like I let her talk for me for a long time before I decided to chime in.


This concludes my short case. I still prefer to Vote for meatpudding because we definitely need him talking. But if meatpudding comes ok to the thread and nothing more suspicious happens, I'm voting for one of these two.



In short, to me this case study either proves to me that you are not paying much attention to both what others and YOU have said, but now it feels like you are just trying to lead town in a bad direction with your misinformation.

Now as for you Teemu http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=17#334,

I'll agree with you on some things, like about some of my opinions being shared by others before me, but in that case, is it really that odd to agree with the majority on certain actions? I like to sound off on every post as much as possible, and what I think of content of said post, and hey guess what, that will usually align with what others are saying if its fairly obvious stuff.

Also how is making an early list of reads odd, specially in a forum game, just to show everyone where I am at at the moment? I wasn't even the first person to do so, how come you only came at me about that. Its a great way as town to communicate to each other where we stand with each other. In fact, you're the only one who has brought this up as scummy in your book. And who said anything about them being good reads? They were my early game-what has happened so far- reads, no where did I imply they were good reads at all.

Also your point about last game seems odd to me, mostly because I wasn't in on it, but why bring it up at that moment? Nothing major just a small thing that seemed weird to me. As for the how odd... You'll notice I say a lot of things are odd, just because other people use said word. Is that something I need to change in order to come off as less scummy? Probably, but that's just how it is.

To me teemu, now it just seems now that people have started to give you flak and see past your friendly demeanor, you've just thrown scum at others who have called you mafia.

I have not seen you, since you woke up a while back, even talk about other people in the game, such as Lord Tolkien or Jenny.

Speaking of those 2, I know right now its night time for her, and hopefully Tolkien chimes in while I'm ResidentSleeper, I'd like to hear from them in the next coming hours about where they are in the game, since right now they are my top 2 town(again this can change at a moments whim, but for now it stays that way).

As for the other people, I still think Poofter is town enough for today, some decent meat to his posts, Roman numerals I'm also ok with for now(though less than Poofter) because he seems to also want to push others to elaborate on their current standings.

Meatpudding still afk so nothing changes on that.

Lilwade has also really not contributed at all in a long time, so I'll be fine with lynching him as well if he doesn't become more active tomorrow, however of the people actually posting my top 2 scum are-

GB for that long post "case" study- normally I'd be fine with posts being analized in depth even if they are on me so I can see his insight into things, but many things about his study were really off, such as him saying Jenny defended me from an accusation he never accused me of in the first place, when she was only trying to defend herself from the accusation he made at her, never at me. Also in another post about her "defending" me, my reply to his accusation was directly posted below hers, less than 1 minute apart. It just seems like he is trying to throw scum to move town in a bad way with all that misinformation, and he's been throwing scum not just on me, but on my top town, and someone who is also very townie for others, trying to create chaos.

And my top scum so far Teemu- I've also explained this in detail before in this post, but I still don't see too much info to his posts other than just trying to make others look scummier than him. I still don't even know where he stands on most of the town, specially the people I see as town. Now my initial read on him as scum was a really early initial read, but it has slowly evolved into something more substantial. In your last few posts, nothing you have said has really come off to me as townie. Now your old friendly demeanor has evolved into a more nasty, two sided demeanor, where you're all Tee-hee! in your posts, but they seem coated in venom.


As for who I'd vote, I'm still holding to my policy lynch for meatpudding and possibly Lilwade, but if those 2 become more active, and unless they seem genuinely town, my top 2 lynch are 1st- Teemu, followed by GB.
Seeyalater
Profile Joined July 2014
United States217 Posts
July 30 2014 06:08 GMT
#358
Oh in case its hard to see, my replies to GB's case are bolded inside his post. Goodnight y'all!
Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
July 30 2014 06:20 GMT
#359
Now as for you Teemu http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=17#334,

I'll agree with you on some things, like about some of my opinions being shared by others before me, but in that case, is it really that odd to agree with the majority on certain actions? I like to sound off on every post as much as possible, and what I think of content of said post, and hey guess what, that will usually align with what others are saying if its fairly obvious stuff.

Also how is making an early list of reads odd, specially in a forum game, just to show everyone where I am at at the moment? I wasn't even the first person to do so, how come you only came at me about that. Its a great way as town to communicate to each other where we stand with each other. In fact, you're the only one who has brought this up as scummy in your book. And who said anything about them being good reads? They were my early game-what has happened so far- reads, no where did I imply they were good reads at all.



It is very easy for mafia to just agree with everyone on what they're saying and even easier to just make a list of sheeped reads instead of scumhunting. That's what I haven't seen you do and why I have a problem with what you've done so far.

Also your point about last game seems odd to me, mostly because I wasn't in on it, but why bring it up at that moment? Nothing major just a small thing that seemed weird to me. As for the how odd... You'll notice I say a lot of things are odd, just because other people use said word. Is that something I need to change in order to come off as less scummy? Probably, but that's just how it is.


I bring it up because it happened very recently and that person was town, but the difference is that in hindsight I don't see Vivax trying to "blend in" to town and not do his part of scumhunting or figuring the game out.



To me teemu, now it just seems now that people have started to give you flak and see past your friendly demeanor, you've just thrown scum at others who have called you mafia.

I have not seen you, since you woke up a while back, even talk about other people in the game, such as Lord Tolkien or Jenny.



The first paragraph, I would like you to address the reasons I've called them mafia instead of say what I've done in a bad light.

The second... so? This doesn't make me mafia.

Teemursu
Profile Joined June 2014
Finland839 Posts
July 30 2014 06:21 GMT
#360
On July 30 2014 15:08 Seeyalater wrote:
Oh in case its hard to see, my replies to GB's case are bolded inside his post. Goodnight y'all!

Your formatting IS terrible, at least you're not lying.
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