Newbie Mini Mafia LVII - Page 18

On July 30 2014 11:54 DCLXVI wrote:

Oh man I know I just went off on Teemursu on this if you don't follow up on this or post your opinions too I will not be happy.

On July 30 2014 09:31 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Also, if you've checked out my previous TL mafia game filters, you'll know how threadbare that analysis post was <_<;

I usually have much more to say but eh, this game is KIND OF slow.

Form moar bandwagons and accuse ppl...ppl.

On July 30 2014 13:20 Teemursu wrote:

I did read it and I agree that there are some scummy things you pointed out, but I don't think they're BOTH mafia and I wouldn't approach it from that perspective.

Hope you didn't think that post was about you, I was talking about Seeyalater.

On July 30 2014 13:23 Teemursu wrote:
GB, what do you think of the people who gave you that very early town read on you? Do you feel like you were trying to "put town on the right track" or something even after the initial question to Jenny? I remember someone town read you for that and I think it's kinda BS (not that I'm calling you mafia).

On July 30 2014 12:25 Tehpoofter wrote:


Not sure how he would classify what I have done is spam. I have conversations.

Can you point out which of my posts made you change.

I said I wouldn't bang him anymore cause his reasoning wasn't just a miscommunication he actually thought I was being spammy which I disagree with. I feel like there are a lot of people who could be called scum and saying it was me then was only good if he misread something. Either hes not paying attention or he is not reading at all. Either way its scummy... so no longer bangable.

On July 30 2014 14:25 Teemursu wrote:
666, why are you still voting me, instead of poofter?

On July 30 2014 13:41 GlowingBear wrote:


I don't remember those posts, I usually don't like them thanks to you.

Anyway, saying that I was trying to put town on the right track is ok. Town reading me only for that is strange. I'll definitely re-read the thread to catch those things, if it doesn't get more than 40 pages lol.

Give me your opinion on that, also.

On July 30 2014 14:28 DCLXVI wrote:

Because he actually started having firm opinions on things, as opposed to your attitude of "I think Seeyalater is scum(but I am not voting him.)

On July 30 2014 13:45 DCLXVI wrote:

Your conversations were meaningless jokes and you threw a few votes around for no reason, that to me is spam. Once you finally started contributing after your small and then clarified largerer reads on everyone I saw the spam was mixed in with real posts. After that you picked it up with some decent lines of questioning that lead to information about others, and I now know your opinions on people.

This is what I classify as spam, do you disagree?
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I understand that you are responding to people in these, but that does not help me figure out who is what, it just makes you look active and your filter harder to read.
You posted that you would actually say stuff about people, then went straight back to what you were doing before, that is why I voted for you.

On July 30 2014 14:28 DCLXVI wrote:

Because he actually started having firm opinions on things, as opposed to your attitude of "I think Seeyalater is scum(but I am not voting him.)

On July 30 2014 05:49 DCLXVI wrote:

Are you sure about that? He says he will come up with a list of his ideas on people, then posts mostly spam afterwards. Maybe he wasn't joking about mafia on mafia action?

If time is the concern how about posting just the top 1 mafia/town tehpoofter?
For me Glowingbear is easily the top town, between getting the town started working and keeping it on track. I would be interested to hear your opinions on people GB.

Top Scum for me right now is tehpoofter, he spent the first half of his posts doing nothing, then says he will get to work and immediately returns to spam.

##Vote Tehpoofter

On July 30 2014 09:18 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Biggest problem for me is that the jokes and filler are permeating this entire thread. Makes filter-diving a bitch, pls be mo' srs gaiz (now I want to request a feature to delete posts in a filter, I could probably reduce most filters down to <5 posts each). And quote stuff you're responding to for meh.


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Anyways, quick skim through filters:
GlowingBear: Started the srs talk, but hasn't been very active past that. My experience in my second TL mafia game (fuck if I remember the number) is that moving the game out of the joke phase is an easy way for mafia to pick up extra brownie points, so I don't give any major points for that. GB, why do you peg Jenny and Seeya as your initial scum reads? Curious about that.

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On July 30 2014 13:02 GlowingBear wrote:
.:Short Case - Interaction Between JennyHell and Seeyalater

This post from Seeyalater caugt my attention:



Bolded part is weird. He says that he is not calling Teemu mafia but that he is his top scum. Which means that Teemu is probably mafia by his point of view? I know that maybe Seeyalater is trying to say that Teemu is leaning mafia, but this also means he is considering him as mafia. From the way I think, this is Seeyalater trying not to be compromised by his reads, not drawing undesired attention. It's him trying to give a read but not giving a read at all. If you're calling someone scum, you're calling someone mafia. Period. If you say that he is your top scum but that you're not calling him mafia, you're saying nothing about someone. Just looks like a mafia attempt to show contribution.
And it's in this post that he starts his interaction with Jenny. It doesn't say much with just it alone, but you can view from this angle: if both are scum, by asking this, he is distancing from Jenny, trying to put both on two opposite poles where if one is mafia, another cannot be.

As I've said many times before, it was still super early in the game and did not want to call anyone mafia YET preemtively, however as the day progressed and others chimed in with their reads, thats when I did start to call him mafia, as you should have seen in my recent list of reads.

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In this post by Jenny, you can see that she uses Seeyalater as example, in a way that, by defending her, she is also defending him against my accusation of saying nothing at all. Remember: this post alone is a weak reasoning. You have to consider all the interactions I'm going to post to get to the conclusion that they have a strong interaction.

How can you say she defended me from your accusation when you never accused me of anything prior to then? Did you just forget what you said earlier? If anything she defended HERSELF against your accusation by bringing up another new player(me) as an example which I found extremely odd, which leads to...

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This is a response from Seeyalater to Jenny. Notice how weird and overreacted that post came. Looks like an unnatural way of distancing, again.

Now, after this distancing, look how easily he town reads Jenny:
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Do you know which post made him get this read?:
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What, WHAT in this post is so townie that completely changes you perception regarding someone?
Do you get how odd this is?

She explained herself in detail both in this post, and another post right above mine- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=11#205

She both reacted to my post in a matter that seemed non scummy to me, AND also tried to understand what I was trying to get town to see. Its day 1, reads can change pretty easily on that day if someone says something favorably.


Now, THIS IS THE MAIN POINT. Finding the odd contradictions from the first post I quoted from Seeyalater, I decided to push him on it (you can look my post on the nested quote). I've got a response. From him? NOPE, from Jenny!
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Why didn't she let him answer my question? More than that, why is she somehow defending him instead of helping me pushing him? His post was odd, we needed to get more information from him. She decides to explain his attitude instead of trying to discover if he got mafia motives! This, for me, is a signal of a possible scum trying to defend his partner. He didn't even got the chance to explain himself BEFORE she posts this.

I did answer your question, right below hers, and at most 1 minute apart from each other, so its not like I let her talk for me for a long time before I decided to chime in.

This concludes my short case. I still prefer to Vote for meatpudding because we definitely need him talking. But if meatpudding comes ok to the thread and nothing more suspicious happens, I'm voting for one of these two.

Now as for you Teemu http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=17#334,

I'll agree with you on some things, like about some of my opinions being shared by others before me, but in that case, is it really that odd to agree with the majority on certain actions? I like to sound off on every post as much as possible, and what I think of content of said post, and hey guess what, that will usually align with what others are saying if its fairly obvious stuff.

Also how is making an early list of reads odd, specially in a forum game, just to show everyone where I am at at the moment? I wasn't even the first person to do so, how come you only came at me about that. Its a great way as town to communicate to each other where we stand with each other. In fact, you're the only one who has brought this up as scummy in your book. And who said anything about them being good reads? They were my early game-what has happened so far- reads, no where did I imply they were good reads at all.

Also your point about last game seems odd to me, mostly because I wasn't in on it, but why bring it up at that moment? Nothing major just a small thing that seemed weird to me. As for the how odd... You'll notice I say a lot of things are odd, just because other people use said word. Is that something I need to change in order to come off as less scummy? Probably, but that's just how it is.

To me teemu, now it just seems now that people have started to give you flak and see past your friendly demeanor, you've just thrown scum at others who have called you mafia.

I have not seen you, since you woke up a while back, even talk about other people in the game, such as Lord Tolkien or Jenny.

On July 30 2014 15:08 Seeyalater wrote:
Oh in case its hard to see, my replies to GB's case are bolded inside his post. Goodnight y'all!