EPTOh man I know I just went off on Teemursu on this if you don't follow up on this or post your opinions too I will not be happy.
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DCLXVI
United States729 Posts
Oh man I know I just went off on Teemursu on this if you don't follow up on this or post your opinions too I will not be happy. | ||
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Seeyalater
United States217 Posts
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Teemursu
Finland839 Posts
On July 30 2014 10:00 Tehpoofter wrote: TEEMU IS MAFIA I'm like 75% sure. Who is around to talk about how right I am? Why do you think so? 75% is quite strong of an opinion.  Heading off soon, so won't be posting much right now. | ||
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Teemursu
Finland839 Posts
On July 30 2014 10:26 lilwade wrote: Teemu started off active he kind of dabbled in some good questions but pursue like I would have, he had a lot of filler posts to appear more active, and he has currently been asleep for almost 16 hours. If I had to question your marry bang kill list i would say: 1) I am not so sure that there are any marry's here yet, kudus for you actually choosing someone tho Jennyhell seems to be very active and appear townie, albeit, I never make a true top town d1 2) I am on your kill list when I the town hero, you may not see it now but d2 is when the big boys come to play. 3) A bit quick to judge seeya, I think he has had some solid posts and is trying to contribute to town. Wait, I have? Shit. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On July 30 2014 11:10 DCLXVI wrote: I voted for tehpoofter because he claimed he would talk about people and post opinions, then went straight back to spam. Apparently I misunderstood what he said about when he would do such, but that doesn't change the fact that he was useless for a long time. At least after my vote on him he started helping us so I am less suspicious of him now. ##Unvote I have not felt any scummy vibes from teemursu, but apparently some people have so I will go take a look at that. Not sure how he would classify what I have done is spam. I have conversations. Can you point out which of my posts made you change. I said I wouldn't bang him anymore cause his reasoning wasn't just a miscommunication he actually thought I was being spammy which I disagree with. I feel like there are a lot of people who could be called scum and saying it was me then was only good if he misread something. Either hes not paying attention or he is not reading at all. Either way its scummy... so no longer bangable. | ||
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Teemursu
Finland839 Posts
On July 30 2014 10:39 Tehpoofter wrote: I ain't scared to push him Roman Numeral Guy! Step it up. ##unvote ##Vote: DCLXVI How sure are you that he is mafia? >75%? | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On July 30 2014 12:23 Teemursu wrote: Why do you think so? 75% is quite strong of an opinion. Heading off soon, so won't be posting much right now. You feel apathetic towards the game. I feel like you would be in here posting like instantly upon waking up if you were town just from how I feel you play. Its 75% cause I want to see if you were busy or hear your reads. I also was wanting to talk to people cause no one was talking. Give reads. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
Sure did vote on him. So probably pretty sure. Or maybe I wanted him to talk.  What do you think? | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On July 30 2014 11:51 DCLXVI wrote: After reading through Teemursus filter several times I understand the suspicion on him. He has not posted any opinions on anyone so far other than a soft push at Glowingbear and what seems to be a suspicion on seeyalater He starts off the day spammy, stopping once GlowingBear starts the real game. Perhaps he wanted to delay that as long as possible? Just a guess. However, later on he posts this after a long conversation with GlowingBear: The next two people he talks to he asks short one line questions that he doesn't really follow up on. He does ask another question to seeyalater as a 'followup' but it is really just another question that he responds 'ok, thanks for your answer'. He then goes to bed, and jumps in with a couple more questions. Let us know what you really think of the players Teemursu. You haven't taken a stance on anyone or anything so far. If you are going to tell us and then do just that, I will vote for you. Everyone should take a long look at his filter and tell me if I am wrong, but this is pretty damning. ##Vote Teemursu You guys should for sure talk. I feel he was giving fluff early which is always the case but his responses to questions is important | ||
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Teemursu
Finland839 Posts
On July 30 2014 12:27 Tehpoofter wrote: You feel apathetic towards the game. I feel like you would be in here posting like instantly upon waking up if you were town just from how I feel you play. Its 75% cause I want to see if you were busy or hear your reads. I also was wanting to talk to people cause no one was talking. Give reads. I literally just woke up. Actually, I lied, I tried to get Naxx working first. So far, I haven't read most of the thread with thought. I haven't really given any reads (which is the reason most people are going against me? Idk) because it was still very early in the game, and people started being more active when I was focusing on trying to getting into bed/focusing on getting legend in Hearthstone. Anyways, I like the spot I'm in, I generally get very good reads when people are pushing on me. My initial gutfeelz are that Seeyalater is mafia. Reading his filter kind of confirms this to me, so you should probably do it yourself too, but it feels to me like he is trying to kind of blend in town by "agreeing a lot with everyone else says" (first page) and then posted a liszt of reads in which I didn't feel the reasoning for the reads was too strong. Jenny is pretty towny, lotsa content and probably is going to have the second longest filter (after me). I kinda wish lilwade would've followed up with his "reaction tests". Not posting too many reads while creating the opportunity for himself makes me lean scum on him. 666's case was okay, but it kinda gave a feeling that he was trying too hard to justify his vote? Idk. I would kind of like to see the questions he wanted me to follow up with since I'm too lazy myself. | ||
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Teemursu
Finland839 Posts
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
This post from Seeyalater caugt my attention: + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2014 04:37 Seeyalater wrote: I don't know, he just seems a little TOO eager, you know what I mean? Like going off so hard to get people to like him(including cute pictures as well!) makes me not trust him too much. Not calling him mafia or anything, just my top scum from what has been happening here so far! Are you his partner Jenny? :o Bolded part is weird. He says that he is not calling Teemu mafia but that he is his top scum. Which means that Teemu is probably mafia by his point of view? I know that maybe Seeyalater is trying to say that Teemu is leaning mafia, but this also means he is considering him as mafia. From the way I think, this is Seeyalater trying not to be compromised by his reads, not drawing undesired attention. It's him trying to give a read but not giving a read at all. If you're calling someone scum, you're calling someone mafia. Period. If you say that he is your top scum but that you're not calling him mafia, you're saying nothing about someone. Just looks like a mafia attempt to show contribution. And it's in this post that he starts his interaction with Jenny. It doesn't say much with just it alone, but you can view from this angle: if both are scum, by asking this, he is distancing from Jenny, trying to put both on two opposite poles where if one is mafia, another cannot be. + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2014 04:47 JennyHell wrote: Do you expect people that are new to mafia in general to be able to say exactly how their play differentiate depending on what role they are when they haven't actually played enough to know themselves yet? Like, if you were to ask seeyalater the same question that you asked me, you'd probably get an even more empty answer, because he hasn't played any yet. It's not only what is said that is important, more so the way it is said. Or is that just me? In this post by Jenny, you can see that she uses Seeyalater as example, in a way that, by defending her, she is also defending him against my accusation of saying nothing at all. Remember: this post alone is a weak reasoning. You have to consider all the interactions I'm going to post to get to the conclusion that they have a strong interaction. + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2014 04:55 Seeyalater wrote: Hey don't try to throw scum at me sister! To answer said question, I'm pretty sure no matter the alignment I'd play similarly day 1 to try to figure out who the scummiest people are. Now what I'd do with said info is different though, because as you've noticed I've yet to actually call anyone mafia, just trying to notice who seems the scummiest so far. Not sure if this is you being Mafia trying to throw off scum Jenny, or just a really defensive townie. This is a response from Seeyalater to Jenny. Notice how weird and overreacted that post came. Looks like an unnatural way of distancing, again. Now, after this distancing, look how easily he town reads Jenny: + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2014 05:07 Seeyalater wrote: I was trying to get a reaction from Jenny, who I've been on the fence about, but her recent reply above me seemed somewhat genuine, so I'd say she's my top town at the moment. Do you know which post made him get this read?: + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2014 04:59 JennyHell wrote: Sorry if it looked like I was trying to make you seem scummy. I was merely pointing out a flaw that I saw in the question he asked me. It really had nothing to do with you, just brought you in as a way to explain the way I viewed it. What, WHAT in this post is so townie that completely changes you perception regarding someone? Do you get how odd this is? Now, THIS IS THE MAIN POINT. Finding the odd contradictions from the first post I quoted from Seeyalater, I decided to push him on it (you can look my post on the nested quote). I've got a response. From him? NOPE, from Jenny! + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2014 05:01 JennyHell wrote: My guess, he starts off reading everyone as town, trying to figure out who is scummy enough to be mafia. So he's saying they're leaning mafia, or the things they said are questionable for a town. Personally I start reading everyone as mafia, and see who proves to me they are towny and can be trusted enough to be in the town circle with me. But that's just my guess. I could be wrong. Why didn't she let him answer my question? More than that, why is she somehow defending him instead of helping me pushing him? His post was odd, we needed to get more information from him. She decides to explain his attitude instead of trying to discover if he got mafia motives! This, for me, is a signal of a possible scum trying to defend his partner. He didn't even got the chance to explain himself BEFORE she posts this. This concludes my short case. I still prefer to Vote for meatpudding because we definitely need him talking. But if meatpudding comes ok to the thread and nothing more suspicious happens, I'm voting for one of these two. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
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Teemursu
Finland839 Posts
Anyway, wanted to add up on Seeyalater. Like, he's being noncommittal at first (like Poofter called him out for), "agrees" a lot with people, and then makes a list of reads that kind of repeat the same old people have already said. I kind of tunneled hard for Vivax because of this last game, but saying stuff like "How odd.........." without calling a person is mafia is veeerryy scum indicative. You kind of imply that that person is mafia without actually calling them mafia, which lets you a) have your options open b) make it easy to defend yourself and c) not piss anyone off. Making a list like that so early in the game is suspicious as well. I rarely see town have many "good" reads, and I've seen mafia more often sheep everyone's general direction early on. Making a list like that rings to me either fabricating reads or sheeping (which I've pointed out before). | ||
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Teemursu
Finland839 Posts
On July 30 2014 05:48 Teemursu wrote: I'm not calling you mafia yet. Off to bed now, for realsies. Will be F5'ing occasionally with the phone. I wanted to see how he reacted/posted after this, and see if he actually calls someone mafia, but now I actually do want to say you're mafia. | ||
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Teemursu
Finland839 Posts
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Teemursu
Finland839 Posts
On July 30 2014 08:26 Tehpoofter wrote: Teemu: He fooled me last game and bump that guy. He isn't talking nearly as much as he did last game which is concerning (I think??) he was mafia last game and is doing something different which should make him townier but what hes doing is in general scummier. I'm confused on him and therefore would want him to die. So many people hold a grudge against me in this game, LOL. | ||
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Teemursu
Finland839 Posts
On July 30 2014 12:27 Tehpoofter wrote: Sure did vote on him. So probably pretty sure. Or maybe I wanted him to talk. What do you think? I asked because if he's lower than >75%, shouldn't you still be voting on me? Anyway, I kinda expressed my opinion on Seeyalater above. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On July 30 2014 13:08 Teemursu wrote: GB, I'm not going to read your case yet, and I know how you're going to feel like about that (based on last game), but you shouldn't make associative reads on unflipped players. Anyway, wanted to add up on Seeyalater. Like, he's being noncommittal at first (like Poofter called him out for), "agrees" a lot with people, and then makes a list of reads that kind of repeat the same old people have already said. I kind of tunneled hard for Vivax because of this last game, but saying stuff like "How odd.........." without calling a person is mafia is veeerryy scum indicative. You kind of imply that that person is mafia without actually calling them mafia, which lets you a) have your options open b) make it easy to defend yourself and c) not piss anyone off. Making a list like that so early in the game is suspicious as well. I rarely see town have many "good" reads, and I've seen mafia more often sheep everyone's general direction early on. Making a list like that rings to me either fabricating reads or sheeping (which I've pointed out before). Teemu, if you read my "short" case, you'll identify that I AM calling them mafia for that. The ending will make it sure for you. Read from main point to the ending. You'll see that I am not voting them because I prefer to vote lurkers. | ||
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Teemursu
Finland839 Posts
On July 30 2014 13:19 GlowingBear wrote: Teemu, if you read my "short" case, you'll identify that I AM calling them mafia for that. The ending will make it sure for you. Read from main point to the ending. You'll see that I am not voting them because I prefer to vote lurkers. I did read it and I agree that there are some scummy things you pointed out, but I don't think they're BOTH mafia and I wouldn't approach it from that perspective. Hope you didn't think that post was about you, I was talking about Seeyalater. | ||
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