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pg31-40:
sqrtofneg calls my posts townie. My posts have only commented on who i think is town or mafia. Doesn't contribute towards the reads in any way. If he thinks my cases are good why not vote? Why not pressure those people into talking more?
marv and robik have a dumb fight. robik flip-flops on his reads. feels like he is running like a headless chicken and idk what to think of it.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 01:24 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Haru is definitely strange. He is not acting like in previous games. I don't like him. His partner, Glowingbear, however, I do like. This: Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 00:19 GlowingBear wrote:On July 11 2014 21:28 Palmar wrote:Actually, I'm going to do this: ##Unvote
##Vote Team WeDemandALawyerThe reasons: 1. They both seemed excited to play pre-game, but haven't posted anything of value. 2. This post On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote:
/confirm
Hello guys, it's my second game here.
It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule?
Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team.
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear Specifically the bolded sentence feels like massively useless fluff observation. 3. This post On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear Talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about without giving any sort of an opinion on anyone in the game. I think it was sinani who pointed out that this post also came at a really awkward time, after people had mostly dropped the kenpachi thing. 3. This post On July 11 2014 19:59 HaruRH wrote:
/confirm
Robik is going to be afk? But exo is a d1 non-poster too...
Meh
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear
I like the summary of his opinion on the issue. "Meh". 1) Being excited =\= spamming. More than that, I wasn't posting anymore because I was sleeping. Different time zones hooray. I'm excited and I'm reading through everything but if you think not giving a opinion on someone is scummy, I'll say that giving free useless opinions on everyone is scummy. As I didn't know at the time what the Kenpachi rule was and as I said we needed more game to have a primary argument, I think it's pretty reasonable to just point out useless effort and wait to have more food to make a case, probably around midday. 2)Pointint out that I didn't know exactly what was happening because I didn't know the meaning of Kenpachi rule. How can I understand a fight if I can not understand the language? I think the team name bolding is very good so we can give a better analysis while diving through the topic. 3) See point 1. Also, I don't think it was unnecessary post as we were wasting breath on a useless subject by the moment, and I find scummy people who just spam things about useless objects, so town loses time and focus. It has already stopped, well, yes, but to the point you would say that I pratically necrobumped it? Check the post times or the distance between my post and the last "Kenpachi rule" post. It's less than a page. More: why would I bring the discussion back just to say "let's not discuss this"? If it was a misleading topic and I were scum, shouldn't I just keep the topic going on saying something like "oh we have to use this policy because of X"? Is a good post. Decent logic here. Overall, I'm on the fence with these guys. Haru, a question for you. Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 00:34 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 00:32 IAmRobik wrote:On July 12 2014 00:28 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 14:31 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 12:38 Stratiform wrote:On July 11 2014 12:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Stratiform, I've never seen you before or played with you before.
Do you play here on TL often?
How familiar are you with the game mafia?
What is your take on the game so far? I've never played on TL, only irl and some facebook based games. I'm familiar with how mafia works. As for the game so far, I don't really see any information to cast more than suspicion on anyone. Fun question What merits casting more than suspicion then And who is your suspicion cast upon So I go to sleep and I wake up and this question still isn't answered... Stratiform pls -- Robik can you tell me what bunnies/poof have done that's scummy other than "they disagree with each other"? Alternately can you explain why disagreeing with your teammate is alignment indicative? I don't know. The only thing that really bothers me strongly is that they have differing reads based off of my previous experience with playing as a hydra and the two heads expressing differing reads -- it also happened in my first game with rayn and mocsta expressing different reads. So both hydras that I've played with that were mafia had different reads. The one hydra that I played with that had the same reads (mattisfoolish) had the same reads. it also MINORLY bothers me that bunnies is trying to push scum on me because I'm town, so that's pushing an anti-town agenda I was waiting for you to say that robik Top town Why were you waiting for robik to say this? ![[image loading]](http://www.banfiwines.com/wp-content/uploads/cabernet-sauvignon-670x390.jpg)
Now this logic does not make sense to me. How can my case be good and Glowingbear's answer to Palmar be good? That's impossible because my case / reasons for my vote were pretty much the same as Palmar's.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 01:32 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 01:30 marvellosity wrote:On July 12 2014 01:27 IAmRobik wrote:On July 12 2014 01:27 marvellosity wrote:On July 12 2014 01:01 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On July 11 2014 19:33 Eden1892 wrote:On July 11 2014 19:30 mderg wrote:On July 11 2014 19:26 Eden1892 wrote:On July 11 2014 18:50 marvellosity wrote:
I think I'm going to ignore Eden, dunno if he posts like a stupid kid for a particular reason, but it makes him look like a stupid kid and it's annoying to read his posts with terrible english. why would you ignore a confirmed townie? very sketchy play imo The last time I remember someone saying that he was confirmed townie he was actually scum. the last time I had a grilled cheese sandwich for dinner I got laid by a hot Russian chick later that night Eden is town. Last time I played with Eden, he was mafia, and he wasn't joking around like this. He came down hard on people. I just checked this because I was interested, you're doing meta bad. Eden came out really quickly on someone in his towngame as well. - M&M Yeah, he went pretty HAM against me in his first newbie game. I had to n1 him. Bastard. Right. So in short sqrt is giving a townread based on false meta. This is bad. Don't think it makes sqrt mafia really, just that it's wrong. sqrt is irking me anyway. He's somewhere at the top of my to lynch list. But I gotta say, I agree with my town!buddy ExO...plammar looking shittier and shittier. sorry, i mean scummier and scummer ^_^
I don't understand why? This doesn't make any sense to me.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 01:42 GlowingBear wrote:
Or put the grapes on spoiler :p
Ok I think we have enough posts to make a case. When I get home, I'll reach my computer and do what I do best: filter diving. Then I'm going to bring cases. Expect a big post in around 4 hours since now.
Before I go, I must also say that focusing "townhunting" is worse than "scum hunting" in my opinion, because it gets easier to a scum to blend in your town circle and doesn't help to do a good lynch on day1, as you are going to choose who to lynch based on someone you just don't have a strong town read instead of lynching someone you have a strong scumread.
Still no answer to my questions and some basic fluff that says nothing...
Palmar is not mafia. (pg37)
Robik's teammate explain this please:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 02:19 IAmRobik wrote:
My teammate is watching TI instead of playing the game. I try to push him to do more, but I don't think he can get over the hump of "fuck day 1"
This is fucking stupid. Just plain out stupid. For the record i have posted nearly as much as ExO_ and i was genuinely unable to access internet for over two days... If you don't know what to do on D1 then the best thing is TO PLAY THE DAY 1 AND LEARN!!!
+ Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 02:37 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, back, and I now that I think of it, rayn is suspicious. He sees something in my words that are flatly contradictory, calls me out on it, but doesn't push a lynch on me? That makes no sense.
trololol srsly?
pg41-50:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 03:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv i'll read Palmar when the game goes on and so will you.
If he is scum we lynch him, if he is not we'll figure it out. Right now his vote is on a good place. lol. I beg to differ D: On July 12 2014 03:55 IAmRobik wrote:
Why would Rayn say that vote is in a good place, if he himself was not voting for Team FakeClaim?
I really don't want to reevaluate Rayn. I feel like whenever I switch my read on Rayn, I end up reverted to the first read anyway which was the proper one to begin with.
I actually thought Palmar was voting for Haru/GB.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 04:12 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 04:02 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On July 12 2014 03:57 goodkarma wrote:On July 12 2014 01:39 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On July 11 2014 21:13 sinani206 wrote:
hey palmar.
what do you think of robik. Why does sinani call out palmar in particular? Why hasn't he done anything yet? OK is better, but not by much. He also asks others of what they think of robik too. On July 11 2014 14:57 OnceKing wrote:
So based on what he's said thus far what think you of robik I'm not sure what to make of this team. I wouldn't mind lynching them.*insert grape picture here* Care to elaborate a bit on this? Asking questions and determining others' stances/reads is part of the game. And they have shared reads of their own. You say you wouldn't mind lynching them, yet you say you don't have much of a read on their alignment. I don't. But I wouldn't mind lynching them, because at that time, sinani had done practically nothing, and OK wasn't doing much either. Sinani's question struck me as strange. And I noticed that they both asked about robik. So it would have been a lurker lynch then? They've had reads and stuff at this point. Has your stance changed? And what does robik have to do with this? You assuming that they'd be scum railing against a townie robik? You haven't indicated you have any kind of townie read on robik. This is your last stance on him from your filter: Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 01:16 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On July 12 2014 00:57 IAmRobik wrote:TOWNIEST POST IN THE MOTHA FUCKIN THREAD. THIS GUY IS SO FUCKING BRUTALLY TOWN. IF ANYONE VOTES TO LYNCH HIM, YOU WILL FACE MY WRATH On July 12 2014 00:54 ExO_ wrote:Some thoughts: Team D-I tend to have weird hours that I can be on, and I'm not just reading the TL forums 24/7, so while I can't always be as active as robik saying I'm not doing anything now isn't really giving me a fair shake in my opinion (@27ninjabunnies). Every game I've seen 27nb in she goes around being very caustic and arrogant towards some people, and very nice to others. It seems to be regardless of her alignment. I find it to be unhelpful, as she goes off on tangents with wild accusations filled with bullshit reasoning for scum reads. What this means in terms of the game is it's hard for me to read her as mafia or town. But I think she does more to cause problems in a town, than actually help with finding scum and uniting the town players. Poofter isn't saying much and is kinda letting her get out in front. I don't know how to interpret that, but in World Cup poofter stayed kinda quiet until it came time to push me in the wrong directions. Nearly worked too  . So a null read on the team but I generally think constantly creating a toxic atmosphere for the town is a bad thing even if they are town. Team WhineSlam is posting a fuck ton of 1 liners/pictures/general nonsense (hijole?) and sqrtofneg1 is saying nothing at all. In larger games I think mafia lurking works better than in a smaller game such as this, but it's almost nothing to read off of. Will have to wait to see what they vote day 1 and what happens night 1 to really know what to think of them. Team VendettaStradaI'm not sure if they're both posting from the same account, but it looks like it's all raynpelioneet. In my limited experience here I haven't seen him before, and though he hasn't posted a fuck ton of stuff, seems townish it to me. Looks like he's contributing. Team needs a lawyerI always kinda read HaruRH scummy, he has a little bit of omgus going on, but I miss read him in world cup so it gives me pause. So I look over at glowing bear, and he hasn't said a whole lot either. Just got caught up in the Kenpachi business. But doesn't really read town to me. I lean scum here, but I'm hesitant. Team Magic CarpetNot a lot of posts from straightform just asking questions "Robik why won't u post?, Why would exo/robik not posting Day 1 not be bad for town" etc... Palmar calls out team lawyer for not posting anything of value, but I see very little of value from him at all. After reading his filter i think Palmar is the most scummy looking person so far in the thread. *scum read* Team GoodCornBadCornCompletely afk. Like 1 combined other than their /in posts. like what....? Do they not know the game is happening? No reads yet for obvious reasons Team Crotch RocketNot a lot being said from good Karma. Eden is posting quite a bit, and seems okay. I don't think mafia are going to be quite as active as eden is being, but it could be good coaching happening. Town read for now though Team Fraud walRusSinani saying hardly anything, OnceKing's vote on our team I think is bad: it's based on robik not playing the game, when robik has been pretty active. Hasn't really expanded on any reads and got pretty caught up in ol' kenpachi but I don't get a scum vibe from him. Null read Team M squaredmderg hasn't said too much, but I've generally liked and agreed with what marv has to say. I think Town So that leaves me with Town M squared Vendetta Strata (aka how can I make a parody of that team name) Rocket Crotch Null D- Whine* Goodcornbadcorn* Fraud walRus Scum Lawyer Magic Carpet *Mostly afk Unfortunately, I think I shall cast some doubt on this post. Some of these town reads are kind of fishy. Ex:
Not a lot being said from good Karma. Eden is posting quite a bit, and seems okay. I don't think mafia are going to be quite as active as eden is being, but it could be good coaching happening. Town read for now though
Not my cup of tea. Or this one
I'm not sure if they're both posting from the same account, but it looks like it's all raynpelioneet. In my limited experience here I haven't seen him before, and though he hasn't posted a fuck ton of stuff, seems townish it to me. Looks like he's contributing.
I'm not so sure he's town. But the post is definitely the best post so far. But some of these reads seem fabricated. + Show Spoiler +
I like this post very much. Shows some actual reading & thinking and not just mindless shit like most of the last 10 pages were.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 06:10 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 05:50 Stratiform wrote:Well I have some stuff to say about the game at least. I feel like rayn is town, and I don't think haru is necessarily mafia. On July 11 2014 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote: WeDemandALawyer I don't really think that in this situation voting without reasoning up front is reason to call someone scum. At this point in this game, I don't think mafia would sheep a vote without explanation, and then publicly declare it in the thread. I just don't see the logic from a mafia perspective. Haru is null because all he did was defend his teammate to the best of his ability, which you would want to do for either alignment. Also, although ExO has acted differently in other games, his massive post shows that he is putting a lot of effort into his reads. While I may not agree with all of them, I think it is a sign of town. Robik, while acting strange, isn't necessarily acting scummy. You dabbed through a few people's filters and posted the first thing that came to mind. ##vote: Team Magic Computer
Haha this is exactly how i felt when i read the post above. Good CR good!
Chairman Ray is town or he has learnt how to play as mafia. Most likely town.
HI KOSHI!!!! NOW WE CAN BE WILL SMITH AND KOSHI AGAIN?
Eden pushes sqrt. Good. Hoepfully he actually pushes it further later on.
Slam not happy. Sad Slam is scum!Slam.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 07:33 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 06:36 Stratiform wrote:On July 12 2014 06:24 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 12 2014 06:14 Stratiform wrote:
Not really. I posted my thoughts, not the very first thing that came to mind.
And also, that's a great second post, CR. Do you have anything else to say about the game so far? Ok, so those are your thoughts on the game Firstly, you gave a townread on rayn for sheeping a vote without giving reasoning. Why didn't you give the same read to the other people that did the same thing, like OnceKing? Is OnceKing not worth pocketing? Your null read on Haru. You basically said Haru did X, which isn't alignment indicative. Why did you feel the need to post it? You townread ExO for making a long post. Pretty weak reason to townread someone, especially since you disagree with his post. And since you disagree with his post, why haven't you even posted why you disagree with it? Your last read says that Robik isn't necessarily scummy. Again, what's the point of this? I disagree particularly with ExO's read on my team. I included Robik to show that I think both members of their team are town. I don't see OnceKing voting for team WeDemandALawyer in the voting thread. In fact, I only see Palmar and Rayn, so I mentioned Rayn. I mentioned Haru because there was sort of a back and forth between rayn and haru. Tbh I initially put him in there because I townread him but then I realized I didn't really have enough info to confirm it. I understand that you disagree with ExO's case. Given that he made a scumread on you, you have to disagree with it. However you didn't interact at all with the reasons he scumread you. You just called him town for doing it. You also called his partner town, and didn't give any real reason. For lesser experienced players, when someone scumreads them, a town will usually omgus with "if he thinks I'm mafia, then he has to be mafia", while scum will usually pocket the person that scumread them. You produced the most clean-cut pocketing that I have ever seen. Your townread on rayn still doesn't sit right with me. I'll drop the reasoning that you didn't townread OnceKing for the same thing. However the reasoning you have for townreading rayn is the most detailed and specific case you have posted by far, and you did it to give a townread on someone who isn't even getting lynched. That's scummy.Your Haru thing doesn't strike much confidence either. If you had a townread on him before you had any evidence, that means you tried to read him under the mentality that he is town. That points directly to you being scum. You mentioned earlier that you have scumhunting tactics. So far it's managed to find a lot of town. Also with your re-entrance post here really sounding like you are paranoid about your own image. We should totes lynch Stratiform today. I'd also be up for lynching sqrt, that guy's totes scummy as well.
Chairman Ray could you explain the bolded part and how is that scummy?
+ Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 10:40 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Also, mafia team
Koshi/CR
Salm/Sqrt?
Maybe exchange them for Palmer/Strat
I have no fucking idea what this post is about. Except that it's terrible.
Eden cannot be mafia except with Haru/GB team.
pg 51-60:
[/spoiler]On July 12 2014 14:29 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, I've read enough. I really can't read more right now, I tried to analyze every single page and it seems my head can't absorb that much information. I started to write a summary on what was going on but I've got no more energy to do. It's incomplete, but I will leave it here in case someone finds it useful: Half-ass summary: + Show Spoiler +
A) Game started with Eden claiming VT. Tehpoofter questioned it (indirectly btw). Got a wagon on him because of Kenpachi Rule policy. Bunnies and Eden started a discussion about the kenpachi rule and about Bunnies writing nonsense.
B) Robik posted about getting on the backseat while ExO would take the main point of his team. Got wagoned when Eden decided that this and Robik's vt claim was suspicious.
C) Rayn accused Eden's and tehpoofter's posts of being the worst of the thread. It can be viewed at page 22 as quoted by Ede. This is the game while on page 22.
D) marv/mderg starts posting at page 23 right after Exo express his will to hear about them.
E) Eden is questioned by marv and palmer for his vt claim. Eden insists in his vt claim. This is around page 24.
F) Palmar scumreads my posts because he thinks it was filled with fluff and unhelpful, then voted on me and Haru. Page 26.
G) Rayn decides to vote on me and Haru assuming that Haru was writing useless stuff when defending Palmar's push on me. 26-27
H) Robik posted and people got on him again, inquiring about his back seat attitude and his vt claim.
I) 32 - 36: sqrt starts giving reads on everybody, mostly null or town reads, except for Palmar because... he didn't confirm? o.O. People start to pressure him.
So, for what I read until now, I have three main targets I want to read more: ExO, Robik and Eden. I'll filter dive them tomorrow, as I didn't have energy enough even to read through 50 long pages. I have a stronger hunch on sqrt/alakaslam, as a lot of people were saying here. Why these guys? Because my way of scumhunting is going through passivity and too much friendly behavior. Going against people there were being quite and being friendly was my best bet on my first game and when I did that most of my readings got the right guys. I see this signals on sqrt's posts, mostly. Check out these quotes: sqrt's friendly quotes: + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 00:52 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote:
/confirm
Hello guys, it's my second game here.
It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule?
Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team.
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear First post that catches my eye. This team is leaning town. First team to get a signature. On July 12 2014 00:55 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 13:00 OnceKing wrote:
i also think we should evaluate each person individually independent of who their other half is.
This may come to prove important. On July 12 2014 01:01 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 19:33 Eden1892 wrote:On July 11 2014 19:30 mderg wrote:On July 11 2014 19:26 Eden1892 wrote:On July 11 2014 18:50 marvellosity wrote:
I think I'm going to ignore Eden, dunno if he posts like a stupid kid for a particular reason, but it makes him look like a stupid kid and it's annoying to read his posts with terrible english. why would you ignore a confirmed townie? very sketchy play imo The last time I remember someone saying that he was confirmed townie he was actually scum. the last time I had a grilled cheese sandwich for dinner I got laid by a hot Russian chick later that night Eden is town. Last time I played with Eden, he was mafia, and he wasn't joking around like this. He came down hard on people. On July 12 2014 01:20 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Okay, rayn is first on my list. Town. Like I pointed out, this is an excellent post. Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also this is from my notes regarding my earlier post:
I felt like Eden is running out of arguments after the Kenpachi gambit. After the stuff he said does not sell to people he soft-calls out poofer for something really awful.
Also poofer's post was bad because this is not a normal hydra game and reading two people as one is a bad strategy, if someone is scummy they are likely to be scum. It does not matter how townie the other half looks.
Let's see if Palmar is paying attention to the game. He should most likely say these things in case he is town. On July 12 2014 01:24 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Haru is definitely strange. He is not acting like in previous games. I don't like him. His partner, Glowingbear, however, I do like. This: Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 00:19 GlowingBear wrote:On July 11 2014 21:28 Palmar wrote:Actually, I'm going to do this: ##Unvote
##Vote Team WeDemandALawyerThe reasons: 1. They both seemed excited to play pre-game, but haven't posted anything of value. 2. This post On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote:
/confirm
Hello guys, it's my second game here.
It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule?
Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team.
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear Specifically the bolded sentence feels like massively useless fluff observation. 3. This post On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear Talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about without giving any sort of an opinion on anyone in the game. I think it was sinani who pointed out that this post also came at a really awkward time, after people had mostly dropped the kenpachi thing. 3. This post On July 11 2014 19:59 HaruRH wrote:
/confirm
Robik is going to be afk? But exo is a d1 non-poster too...
Meh
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear
I like the summary of his opinion on the issue. "Meh". 1) Being excited =\= spamming. More than that, I wasn't posting anymore because I was sleeping. Different time zones hooray. I'm excited and I'm reading through everything but if you think not giving a opinion on someone is scummy, I'll say that giving free useless opinions on everyone is scummy. As I didn't know at the time what the Kenpachi rule was and as I said we needed more game to have a primary argument, I think it's pretty reasonable to just point out useless effort and wait to have more food to make a case, probably around midday. 2)Pointint out that I didn't know exactly what was happening because I didn't know the meaning of Kenpachi rule. How can I understand a fight if I can not understand the language? I think the team name bolding is very good so we can give a better analysis while diving through the topic. 3) See point 1. Also, I don't think it was unnecessary post as we were wasting breath on a useless subject by the moment, and I find scummy people who just spam things about useless objects, so town loses time and focus. It has already stopped, well, yes, but to the point you would say that I pratically necrobumped it? Check the post times or the distance between my post and the last "Kenpachi rule" post. It's less than a page. More: why would I bring the discussion back just to say "let's not discuss this"? If it was a misleading topic and I were scum, shouldn't I just keep the topic going on saying something like "oh we have to use this policy because of X"? Is a good post. Decent logic here. Overall, I'm on the fence with these guys.Haru, a question for you. Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 00:34 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 00:32 IAmRobik wrote:On July 12 2014 00:28 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 14:31 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 12:38 Stratiform wrote:On July 11 2014 12:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Stratiform, I've never seen you before or played with you before.
Do you play here on TL often?
How familiar are you with the game mafia?
What is your take on the game so far? I've never played on TL, only irl and some facebook based games. I'm familiar with how mafia works. As for the game so far, I don't really see any information to cast more than suspicion on anyone. Fun question What merits casting more than suspicion then And who is your suspicion cast upon So I go to sleep and I wake up and this question still isn't answered... Stratiform pls -- Robik can you tell me what bunnies/poof have done that's scummy other than "they disagree with each other"? Alternately can you explain why disagreeing with your teammate is alignment indicative? I don't know. The only thing that really bothers me strongly is that they have differing reads based off of my previous experience with playing as a hydra and the two heads expressing differing reads -- it also happened in my first game with rayn and mocsta expressing different reads. So both hydras that I've played with that were mafia had different reads. The one hydra that I played with that had the same reads (mattisfoolish) had the same reads. it also MINORLY bothers me that bunnies is trying to push scum on me because I'm town, so that's pushing an anti-town agenda I was waiting for you to say that robik Top town Why were you waiting for robik to say this? On July 12 2014 01:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Tehpoofter hasn't done much. No read on him.Bunnies, however, has talked alot. A lot lot. Bunnies isn't as helpful as in other games, to the best of my memory. She's not questioning anything, not pushing people, I don't like it. But I don't think we should lynch them because you usually don't lynch the most outspoken player, even if they're not posting all that useful stuff. Bunnies, any particular reason for not scumhunting? On July 12 2014 01:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Ray + tambo hasn't talked yet. No read. I've bolded most of his reads. He looks like he does not want to "get into the battlefield", mostly giving free townreads to people. What mostly bothers me: just one-liners. He made a push on Palmar, though: sqrt's vote on Palmar's: + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 01:31 sqrtofneg1 wrote:I do not like palmar. (this seems to be a trend) He hasn't /confirmed yet. First post: And then does nothing for a significant amount of time. Also this is not the palmar I saw when I played him. He was more analytical, more smart that game. This game, not so much. Stratiform, I don't have a clue. But this is my best read so far. They're mafia. ##Vote: Team Magic Computer Howerever, there is no strong argument to justify a lynch, as there is no strong argument to justify his townreads. If you check his filters, you will find tiny posts with little information and reasoning behind. It just looks like he is trying to look like he is contributing, but not contributing at all. But if he is scum, I'd better check Alakaslam also, because they are a team. If you filter dive him, you're going to find posts with no much useful information. Like this one: Hi Post from Alakaslam: + Show Spoiler +On July 11 2014 23:13 Alakaslam wrote:Well Hi So, although I'm not sure if alakaslam is not contributing more because he, at the time, didn't have enough food on anybody, and although he doesn't have an overly friendly behavior like sqrt, this lack of contribution fits sqrt's attitude until now. Slam gotta do better to change my vote. [/spoiler]
I absolutely hate this post and this should be killed with fire. Definition of over-explaining a read with no real basis.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 15:21 Eden1892 wrote:
ok friends here is a post count thus far, each number corresponds to the teams in the OP and the parentheses numbers are each poster
1: 31 posts (020/011)
2: 36 posts (025/011)
3: 99 posts (044/055)
4: 123 posts (031/092)
5: 64 posts (043/021)
6: 21 posts (009/012)
7: 80 posts (008/072)
8: 93 posts (077/016)
9: 89 posts (011/078)
10: 91 posts (076/015)
preliminary thoughts by team:
- slot 1 can stay, low posting but slenderman is doing work IMO, not killing this slot
- slot 2 is whatever i'll sort it out later but i would be ok killing it
- slot 3 is scum, we're killing today
- slot 4 is memorable as town + high-posting so we're not killing this slot
- slot 5 is oddly unmemorable for >60 posts, would be okay killing
- slot 6 TBD, low post count and not memorable but a lot of that is Koshi replacing in
- slot 7 is confirmed town, we're never killing this slot
- slot 8 is funny because robik said he wasn't gonna talk but then has a bunch of posts. also we're not killing this slot because it's memorable as town + high-posting
- slot 9 is confirmed town, we're never killing this slot
- slot 10 is unmemorable despite a lot of posting, would be okay killing this slot
tl;dr:
- slot 3 scum
- slots 1, 4, 7, 8, 9 are off the table
- slot 6 tbd
- slots 2, 6, 10 look good, probably in that order
Well this post is absolutely.. ugh.. i don't even know what to say..
If you have time to make a post like this why don't you even put the playernames there. FYI people posting 5 times or 100 times in a certain amount of time does not make anyone town/mafia. Also how is Slenderman doing "good work" when you apparently don't even agree with his case OR my case (which is pretty much the same - just that Slendy dug deeper into it as i told him to in our QT before losing internet).
What you are basically saying here is that "Haru/GB pair is really scummy but let's ignore the case and kill Slam/sqrt". That is not-townlike at all.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 19:14 Eden1892 wrote:
Unflipped associations time!
If you're right about Shiny Ursaring being mafia, marv, then that explains why there's no counterwagon: the other mafia is busing.
Slamroot set itself up to be bused when it got caught -- notice how both members completely drop any effort to defend themselves from pressing questions as soon as they're brought up. If we're being honest, sqrt's post that I called him out on which started the avalanche of suspicion on their slot wasn't this damning or obvious. It snowballed because Slamroot didn't bother responding to any accusations whatsoever. I would acknowledge that giving up straight away is probably suboptimal play for the mafia because I don't think it would have been very difficult to defuse suspicions about them; however, even if suboptimal, it still conceivably advances scum wincon by allowing the partner to bus for credit. As town behavior OTOH it's not merely suboptimal, it's completely nonsensical. Giving up, spamming the thread and getting mislynched by a case that could reasonably be refuted is literally 100% negative utility for town.
So of course there isn't gonna be a counterwagon, and this shouldn't discourage anyone from voting for Slamroot today. There's not gonna be a counterwagon because Slamroot's partner is going to bus because the current situation is unsalvageable. What we want to look for is a slot that's acknowledging Slamroot's guilt and probably even voting for them, but whose reasoning isn't sound and whose primary claimed suspicions are elsewhere (and relatively unexplained).
So far Shiny Ursaring fits the bill there and I'd be happy to lynch them tomorrow, but I think there's just no way Slamroot is town.
This post also makes no sense at all.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 01:09 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 00:57 Alakaslam wrote:On July 13 2014 00:51 goodkarma wrote:On July 13 2014 00:28 Alakaslam wrote:
There is nothing to defend against you are all such sheep this game that I once again say all I have for you is pure acid
"Slam doesn't defend sqrt but his case wasn't even all that strong"
WHEN YOU YELLED LIKE WE WERE CONFIRMED SCUM! LOOK AT THE BULLSHIT LINKS THEY GAVE ME SUCH SHIT
NOW THEY ADMIT IT BECAUSE THEY ARE SCUM AND THEY ARE AFRAID I OUTED THEM
NOTICE ONLY TWO PEOPLE ARE PUSHING ME SO HARD AND THE REST ARE LOKE "meh well he didn't defend (lol!) and poly morphed into wormwood so I guess he is scum"
AS UNPLEASANT AS IT IS
READ MY FILTER There's almost nothing in your filter but complaining and image spam. You may have mentioned you didn't like Eden/OnceKing/maybe ninja, but there's been no followup. You bring it up and go into full spam/martyr mode. The way you've behaved, I'll see you lynched. Not just you, but your partner have been super-scummy all game. If you somehow actually are town, follow up on reads/make meaningful case points. The clock's a-tickin'. You suck. You actually suck. Or you are lying and didn't read, deserve to lose/scum And that's literally been the only argument I've seen for your scumsuspects. OMGUS. But let's for a moment assume that you're a townie. You act like scum. And your partner acts like scum. Why is it so hard for you to believe that while you continue to act like scum, there could be townies pushing your wagon? Until you present some kind of case or meaningful argument there's really nothing more to be said. You should be lynched. If you really are town that's martyred yourself you should be banned for playing against your wincon. Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:On July 13 2014 00:53 Koshi wrote:
When is the lynch? It's long right? Idgaf you are all so blind and tunneled it is poimtless and has been once my actual content was ignored I'm more than happy to see this "actual content" btw. I have yet to see it myself after going through your filter a few times over. Perhaps summarize/repost?
There is one thing that bothers me alot in this post. Can anyone tell me what it is?
On July 13 2014 01:12 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:On July 13 2014 00:53 Koshi wrote:
When is the lynch? It's long right? Idgaf you are all so blind and tunneled it is poimtless and has been once my actual content was ignored If you are referring to the case you made about Eden talking about a Scum QT I am not impressed. Give me your read on OnceKing. I for one did not remember a single post of him and it seems like he has 5 pages of filter. You might got something there. Talk to me.
bad Koshi bad. If you gonna play like this i will murder you.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 01:16 Koshi wrote:
Meh, OnceKing his filter is pretty ok after reread.
thank you.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 01:21 Koshi wrote:
I feel like Alakaslam is lacking smart content. He is capable to say a lot of good stuff between the randomness. However, this game he is really angry for getting lynched while there is almost no good content.
That's why I am ok with his lynch over HaruRH/GlowingBear.
But I don't want to make marv and rayn mad.
So what's it gonna be Koshi? dun dun......
+ Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 02:35 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Glowingbear's team town.
M&M town.
Robik/exo scum.
The other scum is probably either palmar's team or eden's team.
I thought you thought i was scum?
+ Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 02:49 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 02:41 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I shall not.
You shall lynch me either way.
You who have ears, let him hear.
Let my reads be known to those who choose to listen. how to play town: convince other towns that your scum are scum how to play scum: say things like this
And you are definitely the most useless guy in this game. Unfortunately i don't know what does that make you.
pg 61-70:
ninjabunnies might be mafia.
Onceking is the towniest town that has towned this town. Never lynching that pair.
GlowingBear basically reposts what he said before.... Nothing new, no more elaboration (it was not the point that marv didn't understand his posts, the point was - if you read marv's post - that THERE WAS NOTHING CONCRETE IN THE READS!!!) They were based on stuff that makes noone mafia, at least that's how GlowingBear presents his arguments.
Why isn't Robik more emo? Strong opinions and yell everyone to lynch the people he wants to regardless of if people even understand his reads or not = town!Robik (and no i don't mean the dumb shit he sometimes does). In general this is weird. Robik could you elaborate on this?
+ Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 05:53 IAmRobik wrote:
Cause Haru is wise beyond words.
I'm voting you because:
1) you're trying to push scum on me incorrectly
2) banks isn't doing dick this game, and that's his scum meta
The reason to not vote you is that the point on Koshi/CR is kinda interesting and is what I was thinking...especially the koshi entrance. I thought that the CR one wasn't so bad, but it wasn't great either. He was really try-hard mafia in Order, but he was lackluster mafia in the small BH game. I'm gonna revisit that game and see how he entered/played
I don't like (1). I like (2). Robert you bneed to get out of this crap you are pulling all the time. Yes, you do it as mafia aswell. Noone is scum if they think you are scum because townies can also think you are scum even when you are town. The truth is, you haven't said much this game. Not much content and not much town!Robik "spam" (i can't find a better word for it but at least you know what i mean). I can't see why i should think you are town, can you tell me why?
+ Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 05:59 Tehpoofter wrote:
Robik you're typically not terrible bunnies told me about how slam/sqrt basically both conceded so hard not to vote them.(Even though everything I've heard about slam is that he loves playing scum and I find it hard to imagine him just straight up conceding a game as scum I haven't read in the thread where he did yet.) I'm more curious what you think about the Palmar/Marv/Rayn folks in the game (really excited rayn is back tbh) I read the part where you basically auto confirmed rayn off one post. Still like that read? The interactions that were had between like pages 24-29 (this is the way back machine as I read slow) between Marv/Palmar especially were weird. I feel like one if not both is mafia. I need to read the rest of the thread obviously but I'm curious about your reads on them. (If you've already given them just link the posts for faster viewing if you would be so kind)
Not reading the thread. WHY WOULD YOU EVEN SAY SOMETHING LIKE THIS????
+ Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 06:49 Eden1892 wrote:
ok with slenderman's superb vote switch the count is 5-2-1-1-1
the 2 wagon is fucking obvtown bunnies crew and has one person on it who's said he expects to end on the lead wagon so it's not even a counterwagon
great job team, if you're not on the slamroot wagon please explain why not
Eden explain this post please. I can't understand what you are saying here.
I do not like bunnies soft-defending Slam-sqrt like she does. She doesn't present an alternative, she doesn't say why anyone ELSE is more likely to be mafia. She just defends them for no reason...
Explain why Slam as mafia would just not give up?
+ Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 07:21 OnceKing wrote:
I have no clue where sinani or goodkarma are but it doesn't concern me since they're both town
Elaborate on this OnceKing please. sinani is useless as fuck and GK looks... maybe okay.
EOD1:
Okay so ~90% of the posts are fluff.
Onceking is town. CR is town too. Eden looks fine after all i guess.. meh.. Ok & Eden were the two people who actually tried to do something on D1 (for reals). I'll probably check some older games from them (or most likely Eden, just because he had some shaky posts) just to see if they can play as scum aswell.
I cheated and went on reading the N1 end because i got a strange feeling about Palmar as he hates fluff and all he posted was @EOD was fluff. You are all fuckers for not reading Slendy's posts, and i hate you all (not to say i would have disagreed with the lynch - as sqrt was scummy as fuck) just because Haru/GB pair is mafia and should be killed with fire.
Bunnies doesn't look too dandy, she has a lot of posts that... really do not say anything at all. If Koshi does not start playing soon he is mafia. poofer has literally said nothing, so has sinani.
I'll go onto N1 after sauna.
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On July 15 2014 00:48 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 00:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 15 2014 00:28 Koshi wrote:
I AM STILL SENIOR Shush kiddo, it's almost bedtime. Adults are playing now. Hello everyone. I haven't read anything yet. Any important issues ongoing? They killed marv 
Goddamnit, I have a chart prepared for all my marv games and I didn't even get to use it
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3BAW2Kw.png)
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Rayn, I did present an alternative.
Koshi/CR.
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That flow chart is fantastic.
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On July 15 2014 03:32 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Rayn, I did present an alternative.
Koshi/CR.
I am sorry if this is the truth.
Could you quote some posts where you actually want to lynch them because apparently i have missed all of them.
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rayn - es very simple
eden is absolutely town goodkarma is his hydra
i am absolutely town sinani is my hydra
i realize this probably doesn't comfort you very much wrt sinani
but eden and i are both absolutely town
so what are your up to date conclusions on people?
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On July 15 2014 03:33 27ninjabunnies wrote:
That flow chart is fantastic.
I completely agree.
Why do you think Koshi's case is good?
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On July 15 2014 03:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 00:48 IAmRobik wrote:On July 15 2014 00:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On July 15 2014 00:28 Koshi wrote:
I AM STILL SENIOR Shush kiddo, it's almost bedtime. Adults are playing now. Hello everyone. I haven't read anything yet. Any important issues ongoing? They killed marv Goddamnit, I have a chart prepared for all my marv games and I didn't even get to use it
I love this and I'm loving you for it.
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On July 15 2014 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 03:32 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Rayn, I did present an alternative.
Koshi/CR. I am sorry if this is the truth. Could you quote some posts where you actually want to lynch them because apparently i have missed all of them.
It's based mostly on a one game meta case, cause I'm lazy and didn't want to go through filters of his other games.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=61#1203
But there it is for your viewing purposes.
I also thought it was super weird Koshi wanted other people to do work for him, and him not figure it out himself.
@Artanis- What happened to you not being able to play?
Loser.
Also, Idk, it was more of I wasn't expecting it to come from him. Not more of a "oh koshi's case is good cause he made a good case on harubear" but more of a "Koshi actually playing is good"
If that made sense?
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+ Show Spoiler +On July 15 2014 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:pg31-40:sqrtofneg calls my posts townie. My posts have only commented on who i think is town or mafia. Doesn't contribute towards the reads in any way. If he thinks my cases are good why not vote? Why not pressure those people into talking more? marv and robik have a dumb fight. robik flip-flops on his reads. feels like he is running like a headless chicken and idk what to think of it. + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 01:24 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Haru is definitely strange. He is not acting like in previous games. I don't like him. His partner, Glowingbear, however, I do like. This: Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 00:19 GlowingBear wrote:On July 11 2014 21:28 Palmar wrote:Actually, I'm going to do this: ##Unvote
##Vote Team WeDemandALawyerThe reasons: 1. They both seemed excited to play pre-game, but haven't posted anything of value. 2. This post On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote:
/confirm
Hello guys, it's my second game here.
It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule?
Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team.
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear Specifically the bolded sentence feels like massively useless fluff observation. 3. This post On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear Talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about without giving any sort of an opinion on anyone in the game. I think it was sinani who pointed out that this post also came at a really awkward time, after people had mostly dropped the kenpachi thing. 3. This post On July 11 2014 19:59 HaruRH wrote:
/confirm
Robik is going to be afk? But exo is a d1 non-poster too...
Meh
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear
I like the summary of his opinion on the issue. "Meh". 1) Being excited =\= spamming. More than that, I wasn't posting anymore because I was sleeping. Different time zones hooray. I'm excited and I'm reading through everything but if you think not giving a opinion on someone is scummy, I'll say that giving free useless opinions on everyone is scummy. As I didn't know at the time what the Kenpachi rule was and as I said we needed more game to have a primary argument, I think it's pretty reasonable to just point out useless effort and wait to have more food to make a case, probably around midday. 2)Pointint out that I didn't know exactly what was happening because I didn't know the meaning of Kenpachi rule. How can I understand a fight if I can not understand the language? I think the team name bolding is very good so we can give a better analysis while diving through the topic. 3) See point 1. Also, I don't think it was unnecessary post as we were wasting breath on a useless subject by the moment, and I find scummy people who just spam things about useless objects, so town loses time and focus. It has already stopped, well, yes, but to the point you would say that I pratically necrobumped it? Check the post times or the distance between my post and the last "Kenpachi rule" post. It's less than a page. More: why would I bring the discussion back just to say "let's not discuss this"? If it was a misleading topic and I were scum, shouldn't I just keep the topic going on saying something like "oh we have to use this policy because of X"? Is a good post. Decent logic here. Overall, I'm on the fence with these guys. Haru, a question for you. Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 00:34 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 00:32 IAmRobik wrote:On July 12 2014 00:28 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 14:31 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 12:38 Stratiform wrote:On July 11 2014 12:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Stratiform, I've never seen you before or played with you before.
Do you play here on TL often?
How familiar are you with the game mafia?
What is your take on the game so far? I've never played on TL, only irl and some facebook based games. I'm familiar with how mafia works. As for the game so far, I don't really see any information to cast more than suspicion on anyone. Fun question What merits casting more than suspicion then And who is your suspicion cast upon So I go to sleep and I wake up and this question still isn't answered... Stratiform pls -- Robik can you tell me what bunnies/poof have done that's scummy other than "they disagree with each other"? Alternately can you explain why disagreeing with your teammate is alignment indicative? I don't know. The only thing that really bothers me strongly is that they have differing reads based off of my previous experience with playing as a hydra and the two heads expressing differing reads -- it also happened in my first game with rayn and mocsta expressing different reads. So both hydras that I've played with that were mafia had different reads. The one hydra that I played with that had the same reads (mattisfoolish) had the same reads. it also MINORLY bothers me that bunnies is trying to push scum on me because I'm town, so that's pushing an anti-town agenda I was waiting for you to say that robik Top town Why were you waiting for robik to say this? Now this logic does not make sense to me. How can my case be good and Glowingbear's answer to Palmar be good? That's impossible because my case / reasons for my vote were pretty much the same as Palmar's. + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 01:32 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 01:30 marvellosity wrote:On July 12 2014 01:27 IAmRobik wrote:On July 12 2014 01:27 marvellosity wrote:On July 12 2014 01:01 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On July 11 2014 19:33 Eden1892 wrote:On July 11 2014 19:30 mderg wrote:On July 11 2014 19:26 Eden1892 wrote:On July 11 2014 18:50 marvellosity wrote:
I think I'm going to ignore Eden, dunno if he posts like a stupid kid for a particular reason, but it makes him look like a stupid kid and it's annoying to read his posts with terrible english. why would you ignore a confirmed townie? very sketchy play imo The last time I remember someone saying that he was confirmed townie he was actually scum. the last time I had a grilled cheese sandwich for dinner I got laid by a hot Russian chick later that night Eden is town. Last time I played with Eden, he was mafia, and he wasn't joking around like this. He came down hard on people. I just checked this because I was interested, you're doing meta bad. Eden came out really quickly on someone in his towngame as well. - M&M Yeah, he went pretty HAM against me in his first newbie game. I had to n1 him. Bastard. Right. So in short sqrt is giving a townread based on false meta. This is bad. Don't think it makes sqrt mafia really, just that it's wrong. sqrt is irking me anyway. He's somewhere at the top of my to lynch list. But I gotta say, I agree with my town!buddy ExO...plammar looking shittier and shittier. sorry, i mean scummier and scummer ^_^ I don't understand why? This doesn't make any sense to me. + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 01:42 GlowingBear wrote:
Or put the grapes on spoiler :p
Ok I think we have enough posts to make a case. When I get home, I'll reach my computer and do what I do best: filter diving. Then I'm going to bring cases. Expect a big post in around 4 hours since now.
Before I go, I must also say that focusing "townhunting" is worse than "scum hunting" in my opinion, because it gets easier to a scum to blend in your town circle and doesn't help to do a good lynch on day1, as you are going to choose who to lynch based on someone you just don't have a strong town read instead of lynching someone you have a strong scumread. Still no answer to my questions and some basic fluff that says nothing... Palmar is not mafia. (pg37) Robik's teammate explain this please: + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 02:19 IAmRobik wrote:
My teammate is watching TI instead of playing the game. I try to push him to do more, but I don't think he can get over the hump of "fuck day 1" This is fucking stupid. Just plain out stupid. For the record i have posted nearly as much as ExO_ and i was genuinely unable to access internet for over two days... If you don't know what to do on D1 then the best thing is TO PLAY THE DAY 1 AND LEARN!!! + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 02:37 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, back, and I now that I think of it, rayn is suspicious. He sees something in my words that are flatly contradictory, calls me out on it, but doesn't push a lynch on me? That makes no sense. trololol srsly? pg41-50:+ Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 03:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv i'll read Palmar when the game goes on and so will you.
If he is scum we lynch him, if he is not we'll figure it out. Right now his vote is on a good place. lol. I beg to differ D: On July 12 2014 03:55 IAmRobik wrote:
Why would Rayn say that vote is in a good place, if he himself was not voting for Team FakeClaim?
I really don't want to reevaluate Rayn. I feel like whenever I switch my read on Rayn, I end up reverted to the first read anyway which was the proper one to begin with. I actually thought Palmar was voting for Haru/GB. + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 04:12 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 04:02 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On July 12 2014 03:57 goodkarma wrote:On July 12 2014 01:39 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On July 11 2014 21:13 sinani206 wrote:
hey palmar.
what do you think of robik. Why does sinani call out palmar in particular? Why hasn't he done anything yet? OK is better, but not by much. He also asks others of what they think of robik too. On July 11 2014 14:57 OnceKing wrote:
So based on what he's said thus far what think you of robik I'm not sure what to make of this team. I wouldn't mind lynching them.*insert grape picture here* Care to elaborate a bit on this? Asking questions and determining others' stances/reads is part of the game. And they have shared reads of their own. You say you wouldn't mind lynching them, yet you say you don't have much of a read on their alignment. I don't. But I wouldn't mind lynching them, because at that time, sinani had done practically nothing, and OK wasn't doing much either. Sinani's question struck me as strange. And I noticed that they both asked about robik. So it would have been a lurker lynch then? They've had reads and stuff at this point. Has your stance changed? And what does robik have to do with this? You assuming that they'd be scum railing against a townie robik? You haven't indicated you have any kind of townie read on robik. This is your last stance on him from your filter: Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 01:16 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On July 12 2014 00:57 IAmRobik wrote:TOWNIEST POST IN THE MOTHA FUCKIN THREAD. THIS GUY IS SO FUCKING BRUTALLY TOWN. IF ANYONE VOTES TO LYNCH HIM, YOU WILL FACE MY WRATH On July 12 2014 00:54 ExO_ wrote:Some thoughts: Team D-I tend to have weird hours that I can be on, and I'm not just reading the TL forums 24/7, so while I can't always be as active as robik saying I'm not doing anything now isn't really giving me a fair shake in my opinion (@27ninjabunnies). Every game I've seen 27nb in she goes around being very caustic and arrogant towards some people, and very nice to others. It seems to be regardless of her alignment. I find it to be unhelpful, as she goes off on tangents with wild accusations filled with bullshit reasoning for scum reads. What this means in terms of the game is it's hard for me to read her as mafia or town. But I think she does more to cause problems in a town, than actually help with finding scum and uniting the town players. Poofter isn't saying much and is kinda letting her get out in front. I don't know how to interpret that, but in World Cup poofter stayed kinda quiet until it came time to push me in the wrong directions. Nearly worked too . So a null read on the team but I generally think constantly creating a toxic atmosphere for the town is a bad thing even if they are town. Team WhineSlam is posting a fuck ton of 1 liners/pictures/general nonsense (hijole?) and sqrtofneg1 is saying nothing at all. In larger games I think mafia lurking works better than in a smaller game such as this, but it's almost nothing to read off of. Will have to wait to see what they vote day 1 and what happens night 1 to really know what to think of them. Team VendettaStradaI'm not sure if they're both posting from the same account, but it looks like it's all raynpelioneet. In my limited experience here I haven't seen him before, and though he hasn't posted a fuck ton of stuff, seems townish it to me. Looks like he's contributing. Team needs a lawyerI always kinda read HaruRH scummy, he has a little bit of omgus going on, but I miss read him in world cup so it gives me pause. So I look over at glowing bear, and he hasn't said a whole lot either. Just got caught up in the Kenpachi business. But doesn't really read town to me. I lean scum here, but I'm hesitant. Team Magic CarpetNot a lot of posts from straightform just asking questions "Robik why won't u post?, Why would exo/robik not posting Day 1 not be bad for town" etc... Palmar calls out team lawyer for not posting anything of value, but I see very little of value from him at all. After reading his filter i think Palmar is the most scummy looking person so far in the thread. *scum read* Team GoodCornBadCornCompletely afk. Like 1 combined other than their /in posts. like what....? Do they not know the game is happening? No reads yet for obvious reasons Team Crotch RocketNot a lot being said from good Karma. Eden is posting quite a bit, and seems okay. I don't think mafia are going to be quite as active as eden is being, but it could be good coaching happening. Town read for now though Team Fraud walRusSinani saying hardly anything, OnceKing's vote on our team I think is bad: it's based on robik not playing the game, when robik has been pretty active. Hasn't really expanded on any reads and got pretty caught up in ol' kenpachi but I don't get a scum vibe from him. Null read Team M squaredmderg hasn't said too much, but I've generally liked and agreed with what marv has to say. I think Town So that leaves me with Town M squared Vendetta Strata (aka how can I make a parody of that team name) Rocket Crotch Null D- Whine* Goodcornbadcorn* Fraud walRus Scum Lawyer Magic Carpet *Mostly afk Unfortunately, I think I shall cast some doubt on this post. Some of these town reads are kind of fishy. Ex:
Not a lot being said from good Karma. Eden is posting quite a bit, and seems okay. I don't think mafia are going to be quite as active as eden is being, but it could be good coaching happening. Town read for now though
Not my cup of tea. Or this one
I'm not sure if they're both posting from the same account, but it looks like it's all raynpelioneet. In my limited experience here I haven't seen him before, and though he hasn't posted a fuck ton of stuff, seems townish it to me. Looks like he's contributing.
I'm not so sure he's town. But the post is definitely the best post so far. But some of these reads seem fabricated. + Show Spoiler + I like this post very much. Shows some actual reading & thinking and not just mindless shit like most of the last 10 pages were. + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 06:10 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 05:50 Stratiform wrote:Well I have some stuff to say about the game at least. I feel like rayn is town, and I don't think haru is necessarily mafia. On July 11 2014 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote: WeDemandALawyer I don't really think that in this situation voting without reasoning up front is reason to call someone scum. At this point in this game, I don't think mafia would sheep a vote without explanation, and then publicly declare it in the thread. I just don't see the logic from a mafia perspective. Haru is null because all he did was defend his teammate to the best of his ability, which you would want to do for either alignment. Also, although ExO has acted differently in other games, his massive post shows that he is putting a lot of effort into his reads. While I may not agree with all of them, I think it is a sign of town. Robik, while acting strange, isn't necessarily acting scummy. You dabbed through a few people's filters and posted the first thing that came to mind. ##vote: Team Magic Computer Haha this is exactly how i felt when i read the post above. Good CR good! Chairman Ray is town or he has learnt how to play as mafia. Most likely town. HI KOSHI!!!! NOW WE CAN BE WILL SMITH AND KOSHI AGAIN? Eden pushes sqrt. Good. Hoepfully he actually pushes it further later on. Slam not happy. Sad Slam is scum!Slam. + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 07:33 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 06:36 Stratiform wrote:On July 12 2014 06:24 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 12 2014 06:14 Stratiform wrote:
Not really. I posted my thoughts, not the very first thing that came to mind.
And also, that's a great second post, CR. Do you have anything else to say about the game so far? Ok, so those are your thoughts on the game Firstly, you gave a townread on rayn for sheeping a vote without giving reasoning. Why didn't you give the same read to the other people that did the same thing, like OnceKing? Is OnceKing not worth pocketing? Your null read on Haru. You basically said Haru did X, which isn't alignment indicative. Why did you feel the need to post it? You townread ExO for making a long post. Pretty weak reason to townread someone, especially since you disagree with his post. And since you disagree with his post, why haven't you even posted why you disagree with it? Your last read says that Robik isn't necessarily scummy. Again, what's the point of this? I disagree particularly with ExO's read on my team. I included Robik to show that I think both members of their team are town. I don't see OnceKing voting for team WeDemandALawyer in the voting thread. In fact, I only see Palmar and Rayn, so I mentioned Rayn. I mentioned Haru because there was sort of a back and forth between rayn and haru. Tbh I initially put him in there because I townread him but then I realized I didn't really have enough info to confirm it. I understand that you disagree with ExO's case. Given that he made a scumread on you, you have to disagree with it. However you didn't interact at all with the reasons he scumread you. You just called him town for doing it. You also called his partner town, and didn't give any real reason. For lesser experienced players, when someone scumreads them, a town will usually omgus with "if he thinks I'm mafia, then he has to be mafia", while scum will usually pocket the person that scumread them. You produced the most clean-cut pocketing that I have ever seen. Your townread on rayn still doesn't sit right with me. I'll drop the reasoning that you didn't townread OnceKing for the same thing. However the reasoning you have for townreading rayn is the most detailed and specific case you have posted by far, and you did it to give a townread on someone who isn't even getting lynched. That's scummy.Your Haru thing doesn't strike much confidence either. If you had a townread on him before you had any evidence, that means you tried to read him under the mentality that he is town. That points directly to you being scum. You mentioned earlier that you have scumhunting tactics. So far it's managed to find a lot of town. Also with your re-entrance post here really sounding like you are paranoid about your own image. We should totes lynch Stratiform today. I'd also be up for lynching sqrt, that guy's totes scummy as well. Chairman Ray could you explain the bolded part and how is that scummy? + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 10:40 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Also, mafia team
Koshi/CR
Salm/Sqrt?
Maybe exchange them for Palmer/Strat I have no fucking idea what this post is about. Except that it's terrible. Eden cannot be mafia except with Haru/GB team. pg 51-60: On July 12 2014 14:29 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, I've read enough. I really can't read more right now, I tried to analyze every single page and it seems my head can't absorb that much information. I started to write a summary on what was going on but I've got no more energy to do. It's incomplete, but I will leave it here in case someone finds it useful: Half-ass summary: + Show Spoiler +
A) Game started with Eden claiming VT. Tehpoofter questioned it (indirectly btw). Got a wagon on him because of Kenpachi Rule policy. Bunnies and Eden started a discussion about the kenpachi rule and about Bunnies writing nonsense.
B) Robik posted about getting on the backseat while ExO would take the main point of his team. Got wagoned when Eden decided that this and Robik's vt claim was suspicious.
C) Rayn accused Eden's and tehpoofter's posts of being the worst of the thread. It can be viewed at page 22 as quoted by Ede. This is the game while on page 22.
D) marv/mderg starts posting at page 23 right after Exo express his will to hear about them.
E) Eden is questioned by marv and palmer for his vt claim. Eden insists in his vt claim. This is around page 24.
F) Palmar scumreads my posts because he thinks it was filled with fluff and unhelpful, then voted on me and Haru. Page 26.
G) Rayn decides to vote on me and Haru assuming that Haru was writing useless stuff when defending Palmar's push on me. 26-27
H) Robik posted and people got on him again, inquiring about his back seat attitude and his vt claim.
I) 32 - 36: sqrt starts giving reads on everybody, mostly null or town reads, except for Palmar because... he didn't confirm? o.O. People start to pressure him.
So, for what I read until now, I have three main targets I want to read more: ExO, Robik and Eden. I'll filter dive them tomorrow, as I didn't have energy enough even to read through 50 long pages. I have a stronger hunch on sqrt/alakaslam, as a lot of people were saying here. Why these guys? Because my way of scumhunting is going through passivity and too much friendly behavior. Going against people there were being quite and being friendly was my best bet on my first game and when I did that most of my readings got the right guys. I see this signals on sqrt's posts, mostly. Check out these quotes: sqrt's friendly quotes: + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 00:52 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote:/confirm Hello guys, it's my second game here. It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule? Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team. -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear First post that catches my eye. This team is leaning town. First team to get a signature. Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 00:55 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On July 11 2014 13:00 OnceKing wrote:
i also think we should evaluate each person individually independent of who their other half is.
This may come to prove important. Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 01:01 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On July 11 2014 19:33 Eden1892 wrote:On July 11 2014 19:30 mderg wrote:On July 11 2014 19:26 Eden1892 wrote:On July 11 2014 18:50 marvellosity wrote:
I think I'm going to ignore Eden, dunno if he posts like a stupid kid for a particular reason, but it makes him look like a stupid kid and it's annoying to read his posts with terrible english. why would you ignore a confirmed townie? very sketchy play imo The last time I remember someone saying that he was confirmed townie he was actually scum. the last time I had a grilled cheese sandwich for dinner I got laid by a hot Russian chick later that night Eden is town. Last time I played with Eden, he was mafia, and he wasn't joking around like this. He came down hard on people. Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 01:20 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Okay, rayn is first on my list. Town. Like I pointed out, this is an excellent post. On July 11 2014 22:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also this is from my notes regarding my earlier post:
I felt like Eden is running out of arguments after the Kenpachi gambit. After the stuff he said does not sell to people he soft-calls out poofer for something really awful.
Also poofer's post was bad because this is not a normal hydra game and reading two people as one is a bad strategy, if someone is scummy they are likely to be scum. It does not matter how townie the other half looks.
Let's see if Palmar is paying attention to the game. He should most likely say these things in case he is town. Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 01:24 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Haru is definitely strange. He is not acting like in previous games. I don't like him. His partner, Glowingbear, however, I do like. This: On July 12 2014 00:19 GlowingBear wrote:On July 11 2014 21:28 Palmar wrote:Actually, I'm going to do this: ##Unvote
##Vote Team WeDemandALawyerThe reasons: 1. They both seemed excited to play pre-game, but haven't posted anything of value. 2. This post On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote:
/confirm
Hello guys, it's my second game here.
It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule?
Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team.
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear Specifically the bolded sentence feels like massively useless fluff observation. 3. This post On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear Talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about without giving any sort of an opinion on anyone in the game. I think it was sinani who pointed out that this post also came at a really awkward time, after people had mostly dropped the kenpachi thing. 3. This post On July 11 2014 19:59 HaruRH wrote:
/confirm
Robik is going to be afk? But exo is a d1 non-poster too...
Meh
-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear
I like the summary of his opinion on the issue. "Meh". 1) Being excited =\= spamming. More than that, I wasn't posting anymore because I was sleeping. Different time zones hooray. I'm excited and I'm reading through everything but if you think not giving a opinion on someone is scummy, I'll say that giving free useless opinions on everyone is scummy. As I didn't know at the time what the Kenpachi rule was and as I said we needed more game to have a primary argument, I think it's pretty reasonable to just point out useless effort and wait to have more food to make a case, probably around midday. 2)Pointint out that I didn't know exactly what was happening because I didn't know the meaning of Kenpachi rule. How can I understand a fight if I can not understand the language? I think the team name bolding is very good so we can give a better analysis while diving through the topic. 3) See point 1. Also, I don't think it was unnecessary post as we were wasting breath on a useless subject by the moment, and I find scummy people who just spam things about useless objects, so town loses time and focus. It has already stopped, well, yes, but to the point you would say that I pratically necrobumped it? Check the post times or the distance between my post and the last "Kenpachi rule" post. It's less than a page. More: why would I bring the discussion back just to say "let's not discuss this"? If it was a misleading topic and I were scum, shouldn't I just keep the topic going on saying something like "oh we have to use this policy because of X"? Is a good post. Decent logic here. Overall, I'm on the fence with these guys.Haru, a question for you. On July 12 2014 00:34 HaruRH wrote:On July 12 2014 00:32 IAmRobik wrote:On July 12 2014 00:28 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 14:31 OnceKing wrote:On July 11 2014 12:38 Stratiform wrote:On July 11 2014 12:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Stratiform, I've never seen you before or played with you before.
Do you play here on TL often?
How familiar are you with the game mafia?
What is your take on the game so far? I've never played on TL, only irl and some facebook based games. I'm familiar with how mafia works. As for the game so far, I don't really see any information to cast more than suspicion on anyone. Fun question What merits casting more than suspicion then And who is your suspicion cast upon So I go to sleep and I wake up and this question still isn't answered... Stratiform pls -- Robik can you tell me what bunnies/poof have done that's scummy other than "they disagree with each other"? Alternately can you explain why disagreeing with your teammate is alignment indicative? I don't know. The only thing that really bothers me strongly is that they have differing reads based off of my previous experience with playing as a hydra and the two heads expressing differing reads -- it also happened in my first game with rayn and mocsta expressing different reads. So both hydras that I've played with that were mafia had different reads. The one hydra that I played with that had the same reads (mattisfoolish) had the same reads. it also MINORLY bothers me that bunnies is trying to push scum on me because I'm town, so that's pushing an anti-town agenda I was waiting for you to say that robik Top town Why were you waiting for robik to say this? Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 01:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Tehpoofter hasn't done much. No read on him.Bunnies, however, has talked alot. A lot lot. Bunnies isn't as helpful as in other games, to the best of my memory. She's not questioning anything, not pushing people, I don't like it. But I don't think we should lynch them because you usually don't lynch the most outspoken player, even if they're not posting all that useful stuff. Bunnies, any particular reason for not scumhunting? Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 01:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Ray + tambo hasn't talked yet. No read. I've bolded most of his reads. He looks like he does not want to "get into the battlefield", mostly giving free townreads to people. What mostly bothers me: just one-liners. He made a push on Palmar, though: sqrt's vote on Palmar's: + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 01:31 sqrtofneg1 wrote:I do not like palmar. (this seems to be a trend) He hasn't /confirmed yet. First post: Show nested quote +On July 11 2014 04:25 Palmar wrote:Hi I am Pálmar And then does nothing for a significant amount of time. Also this is not the palmar I saw when I played him. He was more analytical, more smart that game. This game, not so much. Stratiform, I don't have a clue. But this is my best read so far. They're mafia. ##Vote: Team Magic Computer Howerever, there is no strong argument to justify a lynch, as there is no strong argument to justify his townreads. If you check his filters, you will find tiny posts with little information and reasoning behind. It just looks like he is trying to look like he is contributing, but not contributing at all. But if he is scum, I'd better check Alakaslam also, because they are a team. If you filter dive him, you're going to find posts with no much useful information. Like this one: Hi Post from Alakaslam: + Show Spoiler +On July 11 2014 23:13 Alakaslam wrote:Well Hi So, although I'm not sure if alakaslam is not contributing more because he, at the time, didn't have enough food on anybody, and although he doesn't have an overly friendly behavior like sqrt, this lack of contribution fits sqrt's attitude until now. Slam gotta do better to change my vote. I absolutely hate this post and this should be killed with fire. Definition of over-explaining a read with no real basis. + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 15:21 Eden1892 wrote:
ok friends here is a post count thus far, each number corresponds to the teams in the OP and the parentheses numbers are each poster
1: 31 posts (020/011)
2: 36 posts (025/011)
3: 99 posts (044/055)
4: 123 posts (031/092)
5: 64 posts (043/021)
6: 21 posts (009/012)
7: 80 posts (008/072)
8: 93 posts (077/016)
9: 89 posts (011/078)
10: 91 posts (076/015)
preliminary thoughts by team:
- slot 1 can stay, low posting but slenderman is doing work IMO, not killing this slot
- slot 2 is whatever i'll sort it out later but i would be ok killing it
- slot 3 is scum, we're killing today
- slot 4 is memorable as town + high-posting so we're not killing this slot
- slot 5 is oddly unmemorable for >60 posts, would be okay killing
- slot 6 TBD, low post count and not memorable but a lot of that is Koshi replacing in
- slot 7 is confirmed town, we're never killing this slot
- slot 8 is funny because robik said he wasn't gonna talk but then has a bunch of posts. also we're not killing this slot because it's memorable as town + high-posting
- slot 9 is confirmed town, we're never killing this slot
- slot 10 is unmemorable despite a lot of posting, would be okay killing this slot
tl;dr:
- slot 3 scum
- slots 1, 4, 7, 8, 9 are off the table
- slot 6 tbd
- slots 2, 6, 10 look good, probably in that order Well this post is absolutely.. ugh.. i don't even know what to say.. If you have time to make a post like this why don't you even put the playernames there. FYI people posting 5 times or 100 times in a certain amount of time does not make anyone town/mafia. Also how is Slenderman doing "good work" when you apparently don't even agree with his case OR my case (which is pretty much the same - just that Slendy dug deeper into it as i told him to in our QT before losing internet). What you are basically saying here is that "Haru/GB pair is really scummy but let's ignore the case and kill Slam/sqrt". That is not-townlike at all. + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2014 19:14 Eden1892 wrote:
Unflipped associations time!
If you're right about Shiny Ursaring being mafia, marv, then that explains why there's no counterwagon: the other mafia is busing.
Slamroot set itself up to be bused when it got caught -- notice how both members completely drop any effort to defend themselves from pressing questions as soon as they're brought up. If we're being honest, sqrt's post that I called him out on which started the avalanche of suspicion on their slot wasn't this damning or obvious. It snowballed because Slamroot didn't bother responding to any accusations whatsoever. I would acknowledge that giving up straight away is probably suboptimal play for the mafia because I don't think it would have been very difficult to defuse suspicions about them; however, even if suboptimal, it still conceivably advances scum wincon by allowing the partner to bus for credit. As town behavior OTOH it's not merely suboptimal, it's completely nonsensical. Giving up, spamming the thread and getting mislynched by a case that could reasonably be refuted is literally 100% negative utility for town.
So of course there isn't gonna be a counterwagon, and this shouldn't discourage anyone from voting for Slamroot today. There's not gonna be a counterwagon because Slamroot's partner is going to bus because the current situation is unsalvageable. What we want to look for is a slot that's acknowledging Slamroot's guilt and probably even voting for them, but whose reasoning isn't sound and whose primary claimed suspicions are elsewhere (and relatively unexplained).
So far Shiny Ursaring fits the bill there and I'd be happy to lynch them tomorrow, but I think there's just no way Slamroot is town. This post also makes no sense at all. + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 01:09 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 00:57 Alakaslam wrote:On July 13 2014 00:51 goodkarma wrote:On July 13 2014 00:28 Alakaslam wrote:
There is nothing to defend against you are all such sheep this game that I once again say all I have for you is pure acid
"Slam doesn't defend sqrt but his case wasn't even all that strong"
WHEN YOU YELLED LIKE WE WERE CONFIRMED SCUM! LOOK AT THE BULLSHIT LINKS THEY GAVE ME SUCH SHIT
NOW THEY ADMIT IT BECAUSE THEY ARE SCUM AND THEY ARE AFRAID I OUTED THEM
NOTICE ONLY TWO PEOPLE ARE PUSHING ME SO HARD AND THE REST ARE LOKE "meh well he didn't defend (lol!) and poly morphed into wormwood so I guess he is scum"
AS UNPLEASANT AS IT IS
READ MY FILTER There's almost nothing in your filter but complaining and image spam. You may have mentioned you didn't like Eden/OnceKing/maybe ninja, but there's been no followup. You bring it up and go into full spam/martyr mode. The way you've behaved, I'll see you lynched. Not just you, but your partner have been super-scummy all game. If you somehow actually are town, follow up on reads/make meaningful case points. The clock's a-tickin'. You suck. You actually suck. Or you are lying and didn't read, deserve to lose/scum And that's literally been the only argument I've seen for your scumsuspects. OMGUS. But let's for a moment assume that you're a townie. You act like scum. And your partner acts like scum. Why is it so hard for you to believe that while you continue to act like scum, there could be townies pushing your wagon? Until you present some kind of case or meaningful argument there's really nothing more to be said. You should be lynched. If you really are town that's martyred yourself you should be banned for playing against your wincon. Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:On July 13 2014 00:53 Koshi wrote:
When is the lynch? It's long right? Idgaf you are all so blind and tunneled it is poimtless and has been once my actual content was ignored I'm more than happy to see this "actual content" btw. I have yet to see it myself after going through your filter a few times over. Perhaps summarize/repost? There is one thing that bothers me alot in this post. Can anyone tell me what it is? Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 01:12 Koshi wrote:On July 13 2014 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:On July 13 2014 00:53 Koshi wrote:
When is the lynch? It's long right? Idgaf you are all so blind and tunneled it is poimtless and has been once my actual content was ignored If you are referring to the case you made about Eden talking about a Scum QT I am not impressed. Give me your read on OnceKing. I for one did not remember a single post of him and it seems like he has 5 pages of filter. You might got something there. Talk to me. bad Koshi bad. If you gonna play like this i will murder you. + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 01:16 Koshi wrote:
Meh, OnceKing his filter is pretty ok after reread. thank you. + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 01:21 Koshi wrote:
I feel like Alakaslam is lacking smart content. He is capable to say a lot of good stuff between the randomness. However, this game he is really angry for getting lynched while there is almost no good content.
That's why I am ok with his lynch over HaruRH/GlowingBear.
But I don't want to make marv and rayn mad. So what's it gonna be Koshi? dun dun...... + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 02:35 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Glowingbear's team town.
M&M town.
Robik/exo scum.
The other scum is probably either palmar's team or eden's team. I thought you thought i was scum? + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 02:49 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 02:41 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I shall not.
You shall lynch me either way.
You who have ears, let him hear.
Let my reads be known to those who choose to listen. how to play town: convince other towns that your scum are scum how to play scum: say things like this And you are definitely the most useless guy in this game. Unfortunately i don't know what does that make you. pg 61-70:ninjabunnies might be mafia. Onceking is the towniest town that has towned this town. Never lynching that pair. GlowingBear basically reposts what he said before.... Nothing new, no more elaboration (it was not the point that marv didn't understand his posts, the point was - if you read marv's post - that THERE WAS NOTHING CONCRETE IN THE READS!!!) They were based on stuff that makes noone mafia, at least that's how GlowingBear presents his arguments. Why isn't Robik more emo? Strong opinions and yell everyone to lynch the people he wants to regardless of if people even understand his reads or not = town!Robik (and no i don't mean the dumb shit he sometimes does). In general this is weird. Robik could you elaborate on this? + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 05:53 IAmRobik wrote:
Cause Haru is wise beyond words.
I'm voting you because:
1) you're trying to push scum on me incorrectly
2) banks isn't doing dick this game, and that's his scum meta
The reason to not vote you is that the point on Koshi/CR is kinda interesting and is what I was thinking...especially the koshi entrance. I thought that the CR one wasn't so bad, but it wasn't great either. He was really try-hard mafia in Order, but he was lackluster mafia in the small BH game. I'm gonna revisit that game and see how he entered/played I don't like (1). I like (2). Robert you bneed to get out of this crap you are pulling all the time. Yes, you do it as mafia aswell. Noone is scum if they think you are scum because townies can also think you are scum even when you are town. The truth is, you haven't said much this game. Not much content and not much town!Robik "spam" (i can't find a better word for it but at least you know what i mean). I can't see why i should think you are town, can you tell me why? + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 05:59 Tehpoofter wrote:
Robik you're typically not terrible bunnies told me about how slam/sqrt basically both conceded so hard not to vote them.(Even though everything I've heard about slam is that he loves playing scum and I find it hard to imagine him just straight up conceding a game as scum I haven't read in the thread where he did yet.) I'm more curious what you think about the Palmar/Marv/Rayn folks in the game (really excited rayn is back tbh) I read the part where you basically auto confirmed rayn off one post. Still like that read? The interactions that were had between like pages 24-29 (this is the way back machine as I read slow) between Marv/Palmar especially were weird. I feel like one if not both is mafia. I need to read the rest of the thread obviously but I'm curious about your reads on them. (If you've already given them just link the posts for faster viewing if you would be so kind)
Not reading the thread. WHY WOULD YOU EVEN SAY SOMETHING LIKE THIS???? + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 06:49 Eden1892 wrote:
ok with slenderman's superb vote switch the count is 5-2-1-1-1
the 2 wagon is fucking obvtown bunnies crew and has one person on it who's said he expects to end on the lead wagon so it's not even a counterwagon
great job team, if you're not on the slamroot wagon please explain why not Eden explain this post please. I can't understand what you are saying here. I do not like bunnies soft-defending Slam-sqrt like she does. She doesn't present an alternative, she doesn't say why anyone ELSE is more likely to be mafia. She just defends them for no reason... Explain why Slam as mafia would just not give up? + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 07:21 OnceKing wrote:
I have no clue where sinani or goodkarma are but it doesn't concern me since they're both town Elaborate on this OnceKing please. sinani is useless as fuck and GK looks... maybe okay.
EOD1:Okay so ~90% of the posts are fluff. Onceking is town. CR is town too. Eden looks fine after all i guess.. meh.. Ok & Eden were the two people who actually tried to do something on D1 (for reals). I'll probably check some older games from them (or most likely Eden, just because he had some shaky posts) just to see if they can play as scum aswell. I cheated and went on reading the N1 end because i got a strange feeling about Palmar as he hates fluff and all he posted was @EOD was fluff. You are all fuckers for not reading Slendy's posts, and i hate you all (not to say i would have disagreed with the lynch - as sqrt was scummy as fuck) just because Haru/GB pair is mafia and should be killed with fire. Bunnies doesn't look too dandy, she has a lot of posts that... really do not say anything at all. If Koshi does not start playing soon he is mafia. poofer has literally said nothing, so has sinani. I'll go onto N1 after sauna. [/spoiler]
[/spoiler]you do realize ok and i are teammates right?
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idk what happened to that quote but i was talking to rayn lol
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On July 15 2014 03:42 OnceKing wrote:
rayn - es very simple
eden is absolutely town goodkarma is his hydra
i am absolutely town sinani is my hydra
i realize this probably doesn't comfort you very much wrt sinani
but eden and i are both absolutely town
so what are your up to date conclusions on people?
If sinani is your hydra i am gonna give him a free pass because if you are mafia you just deserve to win this game over all the vets and shit.
Talk to me, why is eden town? I know, i had the same read until page something, but then he started to over-explain his shit (like he did early on in the game). imo things that make people mafia are simple, there is no need to over-justify the lynches you are pushing in case you are town. That's what's bothering me on Eden.
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On July 15 2014 03:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 03:42 OnceKing wrote:
rayn - es very simple
eden is absolutely town goodkarma is his hydra
i am absolutely town sinani is my hydra
i realize this probably doesn't comfort you very much wrt sinani
but eden and i are both absolutely town
so what are your up to date conclusions on people?
If sinani is your hydra i am gonna give him a free pass because if you are mafia you just deserve to win this game over all the vets and shit. Talk to me, why is eden town? I know, i had the same read until page something, but then he started to over-explain his shit (like he did early on in the game). imo things that make people mafia are simple, there is no need to over-justify the lynches you are pushing in case you are town. That's what's bothering me on Eden.
overexplanation alone isn't scummy. there's nothing at all about his play inherently scummy.
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Also OK could you look at this post:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 13 2014 01:09 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 00:57 Alakaslam wrote:On July 13 2014 00:51 goodkarma wrote:On July 13 2014 00:28 Alakaslam wrote:
There is nothing to defend against you are all such sheep this game that I once again say all I have for you is pure acid
"Slam doesn't defend sqrt but his case wasn't even all that strong"
WHEN YOU YELLED LIKE WE WERE CONFIRMED SCUM! LOOK AT THE BULLSHIT LINKS THEY GAVE ME SUCH SHIT
NOW THEY ADMIT IT BECAUSE THEY ARE SCUM AND THEY ARE AFRAID I OUTED THEM
NOTICE ONLY TWO PEOPLE ARE PUSHING ME SO HARD AND THE REST ARE LOKE "meh well he didn't defend (lol!) and poly morphed into wormwood so I guess he is scum"
AS UNPLEASANT AS IT IS
READ MY FILTER There's almost nothing in your filter but complaining and image spam. You may have mentioned you didn't like Eden/OnceKing/maybe ninja, but there's been no followup. You bring it up and go into full spam/martyr mode. The way you've behaved, I'll see you lynched. Not just you, but your partner have been super-scummy all game. If you somehow actually are town, follow up on reads/make meaningful case points. The clock's a-tickin'. You suck. You actually suck. Or you are lying and didn't read, deserve to lose/scum And that's literally been the only argument I've seen for your scumsuspects. OMGUS. But let's for a moment assume that you're a townie. You act like scum. And your partner acts like scum. Why is it so hard for you to believe that while you continue to act like scum, there could be townies pushing your wagon? Until you present some kind of case or meaningful argument there's really nothing more to be said. You should be lynched. If you really are town that's martyred yourself you should be banned for playing against your wincon. Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:On July 13 2014 00:53 Koshi wrote:
When is the lynch? It's long right? Idgaf you are all so blind and tunneled it is poimtless and has been once my actual content was ignored I'm more than happy to see this "actual content" btw. I have yet to see it myself after going through your filter a few times over. Perhaps summarize/repost?
There is one thing that bothers me alot in this post. Can anyone tell me what it is?
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On July 15 2014 03:57 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 03:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 15 2014 03:42 OnceKing wrote:
rayn - es very simple
eden is absolutely town goodkarma is his hydra
i am absolutely town sinani is my hydra
i realize this probably doesn't comfort you very much wrt sinani
but eden and i are both absolutely town
so what are your up to date conclusions on people?
If sinani is your hydra i am gonna give him a free pass because if you are mafia you just deserve to win this game over all the vets and shit. Talk to me, why is eden town? I know, i had the same read until page something, but then he started to over-explain his shit (like he did early on in the game). imo things that make people mafia are simple, there is no need to over-justify the lynches you are pushing in case you are town. That's what's bothering me on Eden. overexplanation alone isn't scummy. there's nothing at all about his play inherently scummy.
Overexplanation IS scummy because as scum you need to make shit up and if your arguments aren't listened to you need to make more shit up which leads to overexplanation. Dude you have played mafia for years, wassup with you? 
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that's like the easiest way to find mafia sinani.....
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Thanks, rayn. You confirmed my suspicions on Slender, your partner.
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the easiest way i have to explain why eden is town is on a meta thing.
basically, eden and i know each other irl and we play mafia together quite a bit. we have VERY extensive experience with each other, having talked about the game a lot.
he was completely on the same wavelength as me for like, all of day 1. I know it sounds really dumb but he basically confirmed himself town to me when he pulled Kenpachi Rule on poofter and I confirmed myself town to him when I sheeped it upon checking in.
if you dislike that explanation then think about it this way:
1. We've crossposted like a zillion times already in this game so we're clearly sharing the same thoughts. So it's overwhelmingly likely we're of the same alignment.
2. It doesn't make sense for two mafia members to be saying the exact same things.
so by this we can only both be town.
as for the overexplaining stuff, can you point out where? because I'm pretty sure he's just saying whatever he feels he needs to say to get his targets lynched.
goodkarma's post:
if i had to take a guess it would be that he takes a perspective where he would lynch someone he assumes to be a townie.
but i don't see why this is super relevant since Eden town = goodkarma town = I don't really care
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On July 15 2014 03:46 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Artanis- What happened to you not being able to play?
Loser.
Also, Idk, it was more of I wasn't expecting it to come from him. Not more of a "oh koshi's case is good cause he made a good case on harubear" but more of a "Koshi actually playing is good"
If that made sense?
I wasn't able to play for the first ~3 days, which have passed since I replaced in!
Koshi is a good town player and you should expect things to come out of him. Do you have any comments on the case itself?
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