EPTTL Mafia LXVII: Storm Mafia 2 - Page 42
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Overview of interesting things in filters. No conclusions. Prplhz: - Defends Forumite from the start and continues to do so. Ex. Stating Forumite might have a good reason for his 99% townread without asking what the townread is. Ex. Arguing with slOosh about the question Forumite asked. - Very outspoken and aggressive. Ex. Entrance, towards Sinani and Exo, SlOosh vote. Iamperfection: - Many superficial posts. Page 3 is a good example. Both his Robik read and Damdred read are lazy. - Asked for 10 vigis. Should have been max 4 for somebody who has been in the thread the entire game. Again shows laziness. Toadesstern: - First case in the game, second case in the game. Both cases had scumhunting thoughtprocess behind them. Constant in search for scum. - After reading 1,5 pages confirmed town till lylo and blueclaims. (because he can’t be alive as town till then unless mass saves or something) Corazon: - This post is very town: On July 08 2014 03:33 Corazon wrote: What the hell Iamp? The 4-5 posts in my filter have 30 times as much content and purpose as his entire filter. If all I did was post meme's, one-liners, and rage posts whenever someone called me scum, would you REALLY count that as activity? Reading Corazon his filter it is clear to me from the start that he is trying to push the game forward. He started with giving his opinion on 4 protagonists (Toad/Koshi/Forumite/Robik) and then trew out a comment on Yamato. Making the above post 2 minutes after reading iamps post indicates to me that Corazon is very aware of Robik his filter and is very confident about his own filter. Something a scummer wouldn’t be so confident about. slOosh: - Made a good case on Forumite and limited his posts around Forumite. However, SlOosh never stated to not have read the thread and was open for any questions about anything. Nowhere he shows a lack of confidence. Vivax: I want to point out the difference in iamp (because I already read his) and Vivax his filter by quoting these 5 posts that Vivax chained: + Show Spoiler + On July 08 2014 00:51 Vivax wrote: Idk, shouldn't he be townreading Toad based on what he said? Or where does he draw the line between a weak scumread on prpl and strong one when it comes to Toad? On July 08 2014 01:24 Vivax wrote: The way VE entered the thread kinda gives me the feeling he already wanted to call me scum before he read all that stuff. One point that makes me think of that is that first he called me scummy for reacting poorly to forumite calling me out. When he realized he actually didn't call me out, he called me scummy for reacting to him in the first place. It just doesn't make sense that I should react only to guys talking about me, so it just looks like an adjustment after his previous point was made invalid. His arguments for my reaction being poor were: Which is a perfectly fine argument in line with mafia not looking at the game the same way a townie does. All the way not considering that forumite's preference for Koshi over me or anyone else talking about random stuff has no explanation. On July 08 2014 01:26 Vivax wrote: What's the deal with those kush votes? On July 08 2014 01:36 Vivax wrote: The depth of mafia arguments is up to their creativity, and I wouldn't put it past VE to be creative. Besides, he says my intention was to identify with a town crowd, when my intention was to show why forum could be scum. As said, it looks to me like he was just trying to find scum motives behind my play at any cost. On July 08 2014 01:37 Vivax wrote: Can Cav, Robik and VE explain what about kush's post makes him instascum? This chain is what I like to see in filters D1. He hits multiple people at the same time and is clearly looking for scum. Good stuff. | ||
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can you go more into detail with what you like about slOosh' case on forumite? | ||
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I am calling out what I see. It is pretty obvious when I think somebody is town anyway which means do not lynch D1/D2, not further unless I explicitely state it. Basically I want to on top of this game and share my findings because my ideas are too valuable to keep secret in a word file. | ||
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On July 08 2014 18:46 prplhz wrote: i didn't defend forumite early on, i just said that iamp and robik shouldn't jump to conclusion when there could be a good meta read that he just didn't inform the thread of. not providing a reason for your reads isn't scummy, it's not having a reason for them that's scummy. can you go more into detail with what you like about slOosh' case on forumite? I like the "Stop. Think" part of the case because it makes the case very sheepable and very understandable. On July 08 2014 06:01 slOosh wrote: Heyo. I am not liking the Forumite. Ok are you ready for this? He meta reads prplhz, then asks prplhz for his reads. Stop. Think. Why do you ask people for reads? You do it because either you want to get a better read on them, or you think they are town and you value their reads. At 99% town, he isn't doing it for the first reason, so it must be the second. But at this point the game just started, and most of the posts were "hahaha jokez" posts, so clearly nothing meaningful to be gleaned off here. Conclusion: Forumite has a scummy mindset of "asking people for reads looks like activity" but when he does it it looks totally out of place. Why did ask Forumite prplhz his reads? This is a very good question. SlOosh also believes in this sentence showing a scummy mindset in Forumite. You are trowing away SloOsh his argument that this one sentence makes Forumite scum but have you ever seen a scummer make a case showing off such dept in thought? Remember that this is SloOsh his first post, so one (Robik) could argue that SlOosh is being scum tryharding. You think so as well? SloOsh reading that one sentence and making an understandable/sheepable case around that one sentence makes me respect SlOosh his scumhunting abilities. Or his scum playing abilities. Why would I want to lynch somebody who shows me that he can make a case around somebody making 1 bad sentence? Out of fear he plays atypical godly scum? I will pass on that. | ||
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I also find the "99% sure prplhz is town" into " prplhz please give me your reads" looking awkward. I didn't see that at until SlOosh pointed it out. I like that SlOosh pointed it out. I like SlOosh. simple. | ||
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On July 08 2014 10:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Me calling prplhz 99% townie was another way of saying that I´m never considering him for a lynch, I explained that later. Now Toades tunnels because he didn´t get the answer he wanted, honesty wasn´t good enough. Koshi made a convoluted reasoning why I posted what I posted which was basically WIFOM. I´d find it if his filter wasn´t so bloated. Then sloosh sheeps to fake activity and BM votes without reading my posts. Alakaslam sheeps Toades but this one I can at least understand, he found someone he thinks is town and votes the same way. Re: Forumite, I didn't like the reasons he said he was suspicious of Koshi - initially it was because of his fluffy riddle posts at the beginning, and he further went on to say that he "hitched onto" Toad's case on Forumite adding his own "complex reasoning" or whatever. So ultimately that's where his vote is. And his read on prplhz...like, at first he said like "99% sure" and has described him as confirmed town. And the reasoning he gave is pretty bad - but not one I can really argue with because it's based on a personal metric that may or may not be true. I want to hear others' thoughts on Forumite. I think ultimately I'd rather wait on him, but I might be convinced to lynch him. Bill Murray, you´ve allready voted for me so post it in the thread. No stealth-votes! My vote stays on Koshi because his case on me is shit. I don´t like Robik either but could be personal because he´s bad mannered. Robiks preemptive OMGUS looks like a good scum move, but I don´t know anything about either Robik, this might be his normal playstyle. | ||
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On July 08 2014 19:04 Koshi wrote: I ask prplhz for reads because I want to know what he thinks, why did you think I asked? I like the "Stop. Think" part of the case because it makes the case very sheepable and very understandable. Why did ask Forumite prplhz his reads? This is a very good question. SlOosh also believes in this sentence showing a scummy mindset in Forumite. You are trowing away SloOsh his argument that this one sentence makes Forumite scum but have you ever seen a scummer make a case showing off such dept in thought? Remember that this is SloOsh his first post, so one (Robik) could argue that SlOosh is being scum tryharding. You think so as well? SloOsh reading that one sentence and making an understandable/sheepable case around that one sentence makes me respect SlOosh his scumhunting abilities. Or his scum playing abilities. Why would I want to lynch somebody who shows me that he can make a case around somebody making 1 bad sentence? Out of fear he plays atypical godly scum? I will pass on that. You are making a good case for a SloOsh lynch. Also, complex case means Town? So that´s why you did that convoluted mess of an accusation against me earlier? You make a complex case (based on nothing) and then state that complex cases are a town tell... | ||
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On July 08 2014 19:14 Forumite wrote: I ask prplhz for reads because I want to know what he thinks, why did you think I asked? Why did you want to know what he thinks? Do you respect his early reads so much that you want to sheep him? Why not ask iamp what he was thinking? | ||
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On July 08 2014 19:04 Koshi wrote: I like the "Stop. Think" part of the case because it makes the case very sheepable and very understandable. Why did ask Forumite prplhz his reads? This is a very good question. SlOosh also believes in this sentence showing a scummy mindset in Forumite. You are trowing away SloOsh his argument that this one sentence makes Forumite scum but have you ever seen a scummer make a case showing off such dept in thought? Remember that this is SloOsh his first post, so one (Robik) could argue that SlOosh is being scum tryharding. You think so as well? SloOsh reading that one sentence and making an understandable/sheepable case around that one sentence makes me respect SlOosh his scumhunting abilities. Or his scum playing abilities. Why would I want to lynch somebody who shows me that he can make a case around somebody making 1 bad sentence? Out of fear he plays atypical godly scum? I will pass on that. No, you should lynch him because he is scum making a bad case on an easy target. Forumite was under a lot of fire already and then slOosh focuses on him asking someone else for reads and says that's scummy. Absolutely not, people do that all the time and people had already done that a lot in thread. It's a big part of how you play this game. And yes, the case does look tryhard with the "Stop, Think" thing. That doesn't mean much to me but it's worth noting and thats how IAmRobik makes reads anyway as far as I know. On July 08 2014 19:07 Koshi wrote: tldr: I also find the "99% sure prplhz is town" into " prplhz please give me your reads" looking awkward. I didn't see that at until SlOosh pointed it out. I like that SlOosh pointed it out. I like SlOosh. simple. Why on earth is that awkward? A townie could EASILY think "I think that guy is town, maybe I should ask him for some reads so I can better get a hold of this game", I do that all the time, ask my town reads for their reads so I can better understand the game. Or since it appears that Forumite wasn't 99% sure, maybe he's thinking "Maybe if I ask prplhz for some reads I will become more sure of his alignment". Fact is that people ask each other questions and people were asking each other for reads way before Forumite asked me for my reads. | ||
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On July 08 2014 19:18 Koshi wrote: Why did you want to know what he thinks? Do you respect his early reads so much that you want to sheep him? Why not ask iamp what he was thinking? So you think it's a bad question because no one should care what I think? | ||
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@Forumite. Why did you ask prplhz for his reads when you were reading him as scum. | ||
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On July 08 2014 19:29 prplhz wrote: Disagree with what? Both SlOosh and Forumite. Obviously he is allowed to ask you questions etc etc etc. That's not what this is about. Maybe you are right and this forumite business is nothing. Maybe you are right and SlOosh is scum. But I disagree with you. If you want us to be bffs and you want me off this Forumite thing find me something else. Something we both can agree on. SlOosh being opportunistic scum is not that thing. Otherwise we will have to live with each other in disagreement. Which I don't have a problem with. | ||
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On July 08 2014 19:35 Koshi wrote: Both SlOosh and Forumite. Obviously he is allowed to ask you questions etc etc etc. That's not what this is about. Maybe you are right and this forumite business is nothing. Maybe you are right and SlOosh is scum. But I disagree with you. If you want us to be bffs and you want me off this Forumite thing find me something else. Something we both can agree on. SlOosh being opportunistic scum is not that thing. Otherwise we will have to live with each other in disagreement. Which I don't have a problem with. Then what is it about? I don't understand then. | ||
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