EPTPower Rank 12/01/2007 - Page 2
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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thedeadhaji
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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Stegosaur
Netherlands1231 Posts
Nice powerrank, once again =) Here's to NaDa making it back next month, based on proleague games! Nice to see Mind get credit too. | ||
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vnlegend
United States1389 Posts
So basically, all Savior could do was try to outmacro Bisu but he couldn't keep up. Maybe his APM is too low to keep up the defense all around the map. This game is more of a demonstration of Bisu's superb harass + macromanagement rather than anything about Savior. | ||
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Avius
Iraq1796 Posts
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rA.Hippie
Denmark714 Posts
 good reading. thanks!! | ||
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
The first game was pretty neat, Savior thinking two steps ahead and using a strategy that specifically addressed Bisu's strenghts (fastlings to take away Bisu's superprobes, proxy hatch for offensive detection). That was a great opening volley. In the second game, Bisu was pretty much on the ropes. Savior managed to take away his nat, and considering how Bisu was going for ReaverSair, that should have crippled him. Bisu then barely defended against the hydras at the gates, while keeping his corsairs on the hunt. Steve is right in saying that no other Protoss mounts a comeback from that situation. Again, it seemed like Savior tweaked his build to deal with Bisu, playing intense mind games (hiding the Hyrda den in the corner of the map, taking middle expo) to keep Bisu guessing. I posit that just as no protoss other than Bisu could have made that comeback, no Zerg other than Savior pushes Bisu that close to losing. Savior's play was strong and downright scary. He just ran into Bisu, whose decision making was simply inspired. Here's my conclusion: I believe that Savior's ZvP against Bisu is a little more hesitant, a little lost in direction. He isn't as decisive as he was during the Holy Wars against Nal_Ra. Nonetheless, it's still top quality play that almost broke Bisu this time. Oh, and UpMagic in the PowerRank is utter garbage. | ||
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aeronexus
United States392 Posts
the Bisu vs sAviOr games were definitely some of the most exciting I've seen recently | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
Sea on the other hand, doesn't belong on the power rank. Edit: lol didn't notice that haji already brought up basically the exact same point. | ||
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neotoss
China217 Posts
On December 01 2007 22:02 aeronexus wrote: hahahaha loved reading haji, Steve, & HB's debate... I for one am glad to see Bisu at the top of the list in spite of his unimpressive games vs Mind. the Bisu vs sAviOr games were definitely some of the most exciting I've seen recently Same for Me too. It is really interesting, you get much more detailed information if experts does not share same point of view. | ||
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Shauni
4077 Posts
On December 01 2007 22:01 HonestTea wrote: Oh, and UpMagic in the PowerRank is utter garbage. Why garbage?  | ||
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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
On December 01 2007 22:01 HonestTea wrote: I'll chime in with this much. The first game was pretty neat, Savior thinking two steps ahead and using a strategy that specifically addressed Bisu's strenghts (fastlings to take away Bisu's superprobes, proxy hatch for offensive detection). That was a great opening volley. In the second game, Bisu was pretty much on the ropes. Savior managed to take away his nat, and considering how Bisu was going for ReaverSair, that should have crippled him. Bisu then barely defended against the hydras at the gates, while keeping his corsairs on the hunt. Steve is right in saying that no other Protoss mounts a comeback from that situation. Again, it seemed like Savior tweaked his build to deal with Bisu, playing intense mind games (hiding the Hyrda den in the corner of the map, taking middle expo) to keep Bisu guessing. I posit that just as no protoss other than Bisu could have made that comeback, no Zerg other than Savior pushes Bisu that close to losing. Savior's play was strong and downright scary. He just ran into Bisu, whose decision making was simply inspired. Here's my conclusion: I believe that Savior's ZvP against Bisu is a little more hesitant, a little lost in direction. He isn't as decisive as he was during the Holy Wars against Nal_Ra. Nonetheless, it's still top quality play that almost broke Bisu this time. Oh, and UpMagic in the PowerRank is utter garbage. HonestTea to save the day! I agree with you, Bisu was really close to losing the 2nd game but won it in a brilliant manner. Oh, and I never really liked UpMagic, I would have liked Anytime to get top10. | ||
ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
I think Steve was right on in saying that any other toss in the world would have lost that second game. After Bisu's backyard nexus was lost I sighed and almost fast forwarded the vid.  Savior was waaaaaay ahead that game, regardless of what you want to say about his drone count.Bisu's corsair use was absolutely insane. No one else could have pulled that game out. Game three may as well be irrelavent because the series would have been 2-0 and over had it been another toss. Obviously that's all wild speculation, but it makes sense to me. As a basis for the rankings, I completely agree with steve. | ||
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ambit!ous1
United States3662 Posts
edit: you and i know Sea[Shield] deserves better spot.. | ||
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viceroy
Romania227 Posts
Savior has to make Bisu pay for the early expo, otherwise, a toss with strong econ and Bisu's skill is unstoppable.More spore colonies or maybe ensnare ? I think ensnare would be such a delight for his fans too | ||
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kramus
United States1259 Posts
Also, I like upmagic's style and usually root for him when he plays, but I'm not too confident about his ability to maintain solid and consistent play that is enough for him to win a major tournament. Also, in my opinion he hasn't proved himself to be dominant in any of the three matchups (TvT is arguable, but tough). I do agree, though, that he deserves his spot for the achievements he has racked up recently through sound strategy and innovative and well-executed plays. Thanks, i enjoyed these. | ||
Waxangel
United States32934 Posts
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NonY
8748 Posts
On December 01 2007 20:30 diehilde wrote: yeah the games weren really close, BUT u have to take into consideration that savior went for all-in hydra shenanigans in both games. In game 2 he forced a cpl minutes where it really was close (when he had hyds in bisus base and killed nexus) and anybody could have taken the game at that point. Game 3 though he went for a predictable and eventually probe-scouted hydra timing bo, which was dumb². Against bisu u pretty much auto-lose at that point. I think he put up a pretty good fight considering he already lost when the probe scouted his 3 hatching hydras. But yeah it wasnt really close. Still I would say Savior played better than last time they met, he just chose VERY bad strategies in game 2 and 3. Im sad he never went for that Mass expo mass muta strat or tried his good old defensive outmacro style... He was too agressive and paid for it. Savior never intended to do an all-in hydra attack in game 3. He got just enough hydras to make Bisu worry that an all-in was coming so that Bisu would make extra cannons, cut probes, and change his build order. The only mistake savior made was letting a probe see the hydras in his base rather than making Bisu's first view of the hydras be at Bisu's natural. | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
Id put Mind higher than stork and Jaedong Otherwise its pretty perfect Hopefully Mind will be even higher judging by what weve seen in today's matches hes turning into Wemade's new ace | ||
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