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I can't resist predicting the Top 5 for January's PR...
1- Jaedong: Winning the OSL is a big deal, no matter how favorable the draw, and Jaedong won the OSL with visible ease. No one took more than 1 game off him in any of his OSL series. Jaedong is a monster 2/3rds of the time, and his ZvP is improving (see his Man-handling of Stork in the OSL finals). This should be a no-brainer. Whether he keeps the number 1 slot for more than a month is another matter...
2- Bisu: It took Savior a month after his MSL loss to slip from the #1 slot on PR, and the same thing has happened to Bisu. Losing 3-1 in the MSL finals is something you can potentially bounce back from, but losing 3-0 in the OSL semi-finals is not the way to bounce back. Still, Bisu is a formidable player, a PvZ monster, and simply getting to the finals and semi-finals of the two leagues will keep him from slipping any further.
3- Stork: Like Jaedong, Stork is a monster 2/3rds of the time. Unlike Jaedong, his worst matchup isn't showing signs of improvement. Still, his PL resume combined with an OSL finals appearance and complete dismantling of Bisu merit strong consideration for top3. If he'd gotten further in the MSL, I'd place him above Bisu.
4- Mind: This was a tough one. You'd think the MSL champion would be easy to place in a powerrank. He did take out Bisu, Savior, and Iloveoov, afterall. But Mind hasn't shown anything spectacular in the 5 PL games he's played since his MSL performance. He's only 3-2 since then and his wins were versus very weak progamers (Mingu 42%, SangHo 40%, Clon 41%). He still has some worth-proving to do if he wants to crack the top 3, and if he doesn't prove himself soon, he's likely to slip fast.
5- Savior: Savior's still a player I doubt anyone, with the exception of Bisu, wants to face. Choosing between Mind and Savior for 4th place was hard for me. On the one hand, Savior is still a very very strong player who performs well in both leagues. He can rape Stork and most other P whenever he likes, he's one of precious few zergs that can boast a winning record vs the ZvZ monster that is Jaedong, and he still shows strong games vs every terran he meets. On the other hand, no matter how well Savior plays these days, he tends to run into, and get eliminated by, Bisu (easily), or a surging terran (Mind, FBH, Iris) in a tough series. Unless he hits a real slump I don't see him dropping below 5th in the PR any time soon, and he was a coin flip away from being 4th this month, but it'll be difficult for him to crack the top 3 again until he can figure out how to beat or avoid Bisu in a league.
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On December 27 2007 05:20 TheTyranid wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2007 16:14 koryano321 wrote:
why should sea be higher than hwasin? we all know hwasin will advance farther than sea in any league that they are both in. That's not a fact. Besides, that is not a factor in deciding who should be higher. Sea is 12-5 this month with many good games. Hwasin is 2-1 and just doesn't look as strong.
The rank doesn't go by record, it's more about who's playing the best. I'm not saying Hwasin is playing better, but stats and places don't mean everything.
I was a Sea hater last month, but I can't say anything now. He deserves to move up, how far is up to how Fakesteve thinks he's doing compared to the other starleague contenders. Somewhere from 6-8 seems about right. I don't think Steve can sneak him above Mind just yet.
I think Bisu can still be 1 based on the fact that I still think hes the better player and playing better (as a Bisu fanboy this can be heavily debated, I guess this me saying Jaedong might be playing better, but liking Bisu too much to admit it). I still think hes the best and most consistent player and the favorite to win both starleagues.
My preliminary power 10
1. Bisu - fanboyism here
2. Jaedong - contender in both leagues proved himself in OSL, he appears to have learned ZvP, but can he learn ZvB, i doubt it
3. Stork - sucks hes not in MSL might hurt him in later months
4. Savior - him and Stork both huge roadblocks and benchmarks in starleagues
5. Mind - unproven decent but not great in proleague wildcard
6. Much - won OSC going through a hard road that included Luxury in the prelims, Yarnc, and Sea
7. Hwasin - light work load this month
8. Sea - him and Hwasin could easily be change, I think much should be ranked higher than Sea though based on him having a harder OSC and of course beating him, really close series though.
9. Flash - check out his tlpd for this month, its rather crazy, NONE of the wins were cheeses. Qualified for MSL
10. Yellow[Arnc] - I think its the series against perfect terran that convinced me, he had a chance against Much, but programmer hacks saved Much's cannon.
My preliminary list just turned into the whole list, I'll do another one in a few days.
Cliff Notes version: Bisu for # 1, Flash should make the rank.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
On December 27 2007 14:03 Nick_54 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2007 05:20 TheTyranid wrote:On December 26 2007 16:14 koryano321 wrote:
why should sea be higher than hwasin? we all know hwasin will advance farther than sea in any league that they are both in. That's not a fact. Besides, that is not a factor in deciding who should be higher. Sea is 12-5 this month with many good games. Hwasin is 2-1 and just doesn't look as strong. The rank doesn't go by record, it's more about who's playing the best. I'm not saying Hwasin is playing better, but stats and places don't mean everything. I was a Sea hater last month, but I can't say anything now. He deserves to move up, how far is up to how Fakesteve thinks he's doing compared to the other starleague contenders. Somewhere from 6-8 seems about right. I don't think Steve can sneak him above Mind just yet. I think Bisu can still be 1 based on the fact that I still think hes the better player and playing better (as a Bisu fanboy this can be heavily debated, I guess this me saying Jaedong might be playing better, but liking Bisu too much to admit it). I still think hes the best and most consistent player and the favorite to win both starleagues. My preliminary power 10 1. Bisu - fanboyism here 2. Jaedong - contender in both leagues proved himself in OSL, he appears to have learned ZvP, but can he learn ZvB, i doubt it 3. Stork - sucks hes not in MSL might hurt him in later months 4. Savior - him and Stork both huge roadblocks and benchmarks in starleagues 5. Mind - unproven decent but not great in proleague wildcard 6. Much - won OSC going through a hard road that included Luxury in the prelims, Yarnc, and Sea 7. Hwasin - light work load this month 8. Sea - him and Hwasin could easily be change, I think much should be ranked higher than Sea though based on him having a harder OSC and of course beating him, really close series though. 9. Flash - check out his tlpd for this month, its rather crazy, NONE of the wins were cheeses. Qualified for MSL 10. Yellow[Arnc] - I think its the series against perfect terran that convinced me, he had a chance against Much, but programmer hacks saved Much's cannon. My preliminary list just turned into the whole list, I'll do another one in a few days. Cliff Notes version: Bisu for # 1, Flash should make the rank.
Yeah I KNOW it is not about numbers. Sea has just been looking stronger than Hwasin
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CA10824 Posts
bisu has got to gtfo the #1 spot.
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United States11390 Posts
How is Stork a roadblock for Savior? o_0
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On December 28 2007 08:03 Harem wrote:
How is Stork a roadblock for Savior? o_0
I put they're both huge roadblocks and measuring sticks for their opponents. Even though Stork hasn't won a starleague and Savior hasn't won one recently. They're big roadblocks to other opponents in starleagues.
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On December 27 2007 18:55 LosingID8 wrote:
bisu has got to gtfo the #1 spot.
Why? A top 2 and top 4 finish is really really good.
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A 2nd place and 3rd place finish is good, but Stork managed exactly the same last season - 2nd in MSL and 3rd in OSL and no one thought he deserved the #1 slot. Also, last season, Stork was arguably the MVP of proleague and led his team to a victory in the finals, while Bisu's proleague results normally fall in between 'awful' to 'non-existent'.
I'm not trying to compare the 2 players, but based purely on results, Bisu's season has been comparable, even slightly worse, than Stork's last season. Meanwhile, Jaedong has been on fire and I don't think people can discount his ZvP anymore. Even if it was only a proleague match, I don't think Jaedong of a few months ago would have beaten Free, while just recently he has, who is probably the second best PvZ player at the moment.
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On December 28 2007 19:42 Sindri wrote:
A 2nd place and 3rd place finish is good, but Stork managed exactly the same last season - 2nd in MSL and 3rd in OSL and no one thought he deserved the #1 slot. Also, last season, Stork was arguably the MVP of proleague and led his team to a victory in the finals, while Bisu's proleague results normally fall in between 'awful' to 'non-existent'.
I'm not trying to compare the 2 players, but based purely on results, Bisu's season has been comparable, even slightly worse, than Stork's last season. Meanwhile, Jaedong has been on fire and I don't think people can discount his ZvP anymore. Even if it was only a proleague match, I don't think Jaedong of a few months ago would have beaten Free, while just recently he has, who is probably the second best PvZ player at the moment.
Stork deserved the number 1 spot about as much as Bisu actually (I'd say more). Steve doesn't like him though, so he choose to put him at number 2 instead. But it's not like you couldn't make a strong case for both. Both Bisu and Jaedong are canidates this season (in a very simular situation as Bisu/Stork last season). The only thing stopping Stork this time around is his failure to make MSL.
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On December 28 2007 19:42 Sindri wrote:
A 2nd place and 3rd place finish is good, but Stork managed exactly the same last season - 2nd in MSL and 3rd in OSL and no one thought he deserved the #1 slot. Also, last season, Stork was arguably the MVP of proleague and led his team to a victory in the finals, while Bisu's proleague results normally fall in between 'awful' to 'non-existent'.
I'm not trying to compare the 2 players, but based purely on results, Bisu's season has been comparable, even slightly worse, than Stork's last season. Meanwhile, Jaedong has been on fire and I don't think people can discount his ZvP anymore. Even if it was only a proleague match, I don't think Jaedong of a few months ago would have beaten Free, while just recently he has, who is probably the second best PvZ player at the moment.
Bisu beat Stork straight up when it mattered most, Jaedong hasn't done the same. Bisu has also proven he can win a starleague. The main reasoning Stork didn't get 1 was because he hadn't and hasn't proven that yet.
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my predictions:
1) Jaedong - Looking unstoppable, winning the OSL and beating Yarnc and free in PL
2) Stork - Looking very good except for the loss in the OSL
3) Savior - Did you see that game against Hwasin!?!?
4) Bisu - Got 3d in OSL, but looked like crap doing it
5) Much - Looking good, even after his 60th birthday last week (oh yeah, he won the OSC against tough opponents too)
6) Sea - Only person this month to beat Jaedong (stork doesn't count)
7) Mind - Kind of a head-scratcher here, looks like he has a weakness to Z
8) Luxury and Yellow[arnc] - except for getting raped by Lecaf last night, both twins playing strong
9) Anytime - Proleague monstrosity
10) Flash - Calm?!?!?! wtf!?!?!?
CBNC-
UpMagiC - Serious slump after getting raped by Jaedong
Hwasin - If he couldn't beat Savior after getting a huge advantage...
Light - Lost against the two good players he played this month
HiyA - Good record, but he looks like crap in his games
GGPlay, Iris - I can't believe you didn't get into the OSL OR MSL.
RuBy - Impressive wins this month, just not enough to get into PR
Xellos - Please continue your good play.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On December 29 2007 21:05 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2007 19:42 Sindri wrote:
A 2nd place and 3rd place finish is good, but Stork managed exactly the same last season - 2nd in MSL and 3rd in OSL and no one thought he deserved the #1 slot. Also, last season, Stork was arguably the MVP of proleague and led his team to a victory in the finals, while Bisu's proleague results normally fall in between 'awful' to 'non-existent'.
I'm not trying to compare the 2 players, but based purely on results, Bisu's season has been comparable, even slightly worse, than Stork's last season. Meanwhile, Jaedong has been on fire and I don't think people can discount his ZvP anymore. Even if it was only a proleague match, I don't think Jaedong of a few months ago would have beaten Free, while just recently he has, who is probably the second best PvZ player at the moment. Stork deserved the number 1 spot about as much as Bisu actually (I'd say more). Steve doesn't like him though, so he choose to put him at number 2 instead. But it's not like you couldn't make a strong case for both. Both Bisu and Jaedong are canidates this season (in a very simular situation as Bisu/Stork last season). The only thing stopping Stork this time around is his failure to make MSL.
I wasn't writing the Power Rank at that time, and I don't place the players based on whether or not I like them
Someday you'll just have to admit that I genuinely do know ProGaming better than you do echo 
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How do you know you don't do it subconciously? And in order for you to understand progaming better than me, you need to also understand bw itself better than me. So unless you can show me that, noooo wayyyy However if you win a liquibet season I'll give you some credit. Where are you on the ranks this season?
Ok you're 89th, and yes I realize that I don't even liquibet and therefore shouldn't even be bringing it up. That doesn't seem to be stopping me though
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On December 28 2007 08:28 Nick_54 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2007 08:03 Harem wrote:
How is Stork a roadblock for Savior? o_0 I put they're both huge roadblocks and measuring sticks for their opponents. Even though Stork hasn't won a starleague and Savior hasn't won one recently. They're big roadblocks to other opponents in starleagues.
Stork is more of a speed bump (for savior that is).
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Why don't we just go with current ELO rankings, like in chess? Hehe. Here's the top 10 as of 30th December 2007, courtesy of the greatness that is TLPD:
1. (Z)Jaedong 2236 pts
2. (P)Stork 2223 pts
3. (P)Anytime 2208 pts
4. (T)Sea 2205 pts
5. (T)Flash 2179 pts
6. (Z)sAviOr 2162 pts
7. (T)Hwasin 2161 pts
7. (P)Bisu 2161 pts
9. (P)Much 2156 pts
10. (Z)YellOw[ArnC] 2143 pts
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Because those rankings are clearly ridiculous? :p
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To my dismay MBC has not been using Bisu in any of their games. Everyone loves seeing his PvZ. Does anyone know why he hasn't been playing?
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On December 31 2007 07:43 aRod wrote:
To my dismay MBC has not been using Bisu in any of their games. Everyone loves seeing his PvZ. Does anyone know why he hasn't been playing?
if bisu runs into a strong protoss or terran player he might be in trouble
seriously, he lost to HiyA.
anyway, I was just looking at some records.
Since June, Jaedong has had a whopping 71% winrate (with his worst MU being protoss at 61%). This is higher than anybody else I checked (including bisu, savior, sea, stork, hwasin) and the closest people I could find are Kal (70%) and Anytime (67%) (neither of which have played extensively in an individual league IIRC). Jaedong looks like he's making his strides, let's see how long his reign will last
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I think alot of the reason Jaedong's zvp looked so good was because it was Stork he was facing. Jaedong made many good moves, but that is much easier when you are facing a player of less skill. Stork's grand total of 0 storm drops in game 4 made me want to cry. Bisu would rape Jaedong, but pvz is Bisu's only monster matchup. As for rankings within the top 5 or so i have no idea as to individual placements.
Anyways thanks for the time you put into making these and defending them (lol) FakeSteve.
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btw how is kwanro doing? his zvt looked purty, but i havent heard anything bout him recently. (sorry for going of topic)
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