On June 01 2014 06:40 slOosh wrote:
Meapak is scum and skirting by another day because of the wagon on me. Please refer back to my case and don't get sidetracked. Make sure he gets lynched tomorrow. The fact that he comes in to slap his vote despite no one actually asking him why he did it is proof he isn't really attentive to thread.

Pressure gobbles next. His huge post concerning MZ doesn't really seem to have a conclusion, and it's not clear how exactly he is reading MZ as town.

With bunny,

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Find out what she means by this. As someone who was pretty involved day 1, she should question a palmer mz scum team the way they went against each other. Likewise for day 2. This is a very strange post.

I don't think fuba is as scummy as people are making him to be. His reads of MZ and sqrt seem very reasonable in that they aren't leaning hard either way but seem to be developing over time, considering that they could be town / mafia, instead of just assuming that they are one and going with it, which is what mafia do.

Amiko ... I'm not too sure. I could see scum making a strong push for MZ, since he brushes off anything I say about MZ and makes sure the focus is on me, or it could just be misguided townie thinking I'm the stronger lynch. I would be watchful of what his actions relating to non-MZ players are, especially during the next day.

Good luck town. Watch out for busses tomorrow.

I'm even more convinced to follow sloosh's list now.

Firstly, lets see who is on his list (in order):

1) MZ
2) Gobble
3) bunnies
4) fuba
5) amiko

Now we know MZ and bunnies are town and gobble is mafia, this is the current list:

1) MZ (lynched d3) - town
2) gobble ( modkilled d2) - mafia
3) bunnies (killed n2) - town
4) fuba
5) amiko

This is the current list. However, sloosh probably intended the list to be like this:

1) MZ (lynched d3) - town
2) gobble (alive)
3) bunnies (killed n2) - town
4) fuba
5) amiko

We would ignore gobbles when we have a MZ mislynch - causing us to lose confidence in this list of his and ignore the rest. However, I am confident all of the scum are in this list simply by virtue of how he tried to cover fuba and gobble by making it seem that he too is uncertain if they are scum or not.
also, by process of elimination (removing amiko since amiko is confirmed town), the list goes like this:

1) MZ (lynched d3) - town
2) gobble (killed d2) - mafia
3) bunnies (killed n2) - town
4) fuba
5) amiko -town

Fuba is the only one standing out right now. Sloosh literally have no need to mention fuba. Therefore, I will push for a fuba lynch tomorrow - if I dont die today.

Alakaslam

United States17322 Posts

June 04 2014 02:50 GMT

#1031

We'll amiko had really good reason to say he was own.

All is phailure for us for now but victory is coming

Amiko

United States1725 Posts

June 04 2014 03:17 GMT

#1032

Irrelevant thoughts:
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- This game is pretty reminiscent of my first forum game. d3 mislynch on someone because they are barely playing.
- I am pretty sure we would have lost if gobble had voted M_Z on d2 in a timely matter since slOosh was getting townread by people at the end of d2.

Assuming a kill goes through tonight, we'll be 1 scum vs. 5 town tomorrow. I guess we should probably have blues roleclaim tomorrow since it should give us two confirmed town. Maybe this shouldn't happen if a blue dies tonight, I dunno, I'll think about this more later.
If we mislynch tomorrow, you probably will want to no-lynch to get 1v2 instead of 1v3.

Although day 3 was awful from my point of view, I did actually get a few reads I'll probably post as night ends.

HaruRH

Singapore2780 Posts

June 04 2014 03:18 GMT

#1033

On June 04 2014 09:52 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I'm pretty sure that BH rnged the roles?

I'm sure it isnt rng. MZ replaced epishade, so I doubt BH done some hax.

In any case, host WIFOM is boring.

Amiko

United States1725 Posts

June 04 2014 03:28 GMT

#1034

Haru I feel like you never answered this in an adequate way.

So you had two posts a minute apart-
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On June 01 2014 11:31 HaruRH wrote:
I agree with MZ lynch into palmar lynch.

On June 01 2014 11:32 HaruRH wrote:
In fact, I think we should lynch everyone on sloosh's 'death list'.

Your position seemed to be:
Post 1: We should lynch M_Z into Palmar
Post 2: We should follow the list

Since you've now commented on the list in more detail (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?page=52#1030), you seem to agree with me that Palmar wasn't on the list. So can you explain how these posts are consistent?
Did you change your mind within that minute? Or what?

HaruRH

Singapore2780 Posts

June 04 2014 03:34 GMT

#1035

Palmar is on my list, but fuba isn't. However, the strongest evidence to me is sloosh's list, which is even more strongly supported by these mislynches.

My initial plan was to lynch palmar first, but I need to check if fuba is mafia or not as it is quite weird for sloosh to even mention both fuba and gobble, and gobble ended up scum.

Amiko

United States1725 Posts

June 04 2014 03:34 GMT

#1036

Also, doesn't your post on slOosh's list basically fall apart if you consider that slOosh probably made that post expecting to be lynched himself?
At the time he made the list, he was the leading wagon by a significant margin with about two hours until the lynch.

I don't think he could have foreseen that so many people would move to another wagon - even if his scum partner was on slOosh and moved and gobble voted, they still had to pull in more town than I think he could reasonably expect.

So, rather than-

This is the current list. However, sloosh probably intended the list to be like this:

1) MZ (lynched d3) - town
2) gobble (alive)
3) bunnies (killed n2) - town
4) fuba
5) amiko

I'll also add that there's no guarantee he was planning to kill bunnies at that time - as M_Z was getting lynched, quite a few people thought slOosh was town as well. I'm not sure that would have changed just because M_Z had flipped. So, I think the people who voted slOosh wouldn't have been so townread, and bunnies may have stayed alive (especially given how she was barely playing).

Amiko

United States1725 Posts

June 04 2014 03:36 GMT

#1037

On June 04 2014 12:34 HaruRH wrote:
Palmar is on my list, but fuba isn't. However, the strongest evidence to me is sloosh's list, which is even more strongly supported by these mislynches.

Your list?
Is your list people you think are town or people you think are scum?

Amiko

United States1725 Posts

June 04 2014 03:37 GMT

#1038

I think I understand your comment like this-
You think Palmar is more likely scum, but you need to check fuba because he was on slOosh's list?

HaruRH

Singapore2780 Posts

June 04 2014 03:55 GMT

#1039

On June 04 2014 12:37 Amiko wrote:
I think I understand your comment like this-
You think Palmar is more likely scum, but you need to check fuba because he was on slOosh's list?

Yes. Sloosh's list happen to contain a mafia - theres no guarantee theres a second one. By my own judgement (which may be impaired), he is about 20% scum, but according to sloosh's list, theres a nearly 40% chance he is scum. I need to prove sloosh's list wrong or else I can't think.