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On November 01 2013 11:28 imBLIND wrote: Thoughts on the new ult and shadow nerfs? I feel like the new W is too clunky, but I guess it was well deserved since I can't really think of any other champs that have that kind of a skillshot that moved as fast as the old zed W. The new ult is easier to dodge skillshots with, but the placement of the 3rd shadow is so awkward...it's good for a free flash and a get-out-of-jail-free card, but other than that, the shadow does like no dmg.
i think the idea is to force you to commit and ult from close range if you want to get a kill, rather than ulting in from across the screen in having full burst right away
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I've gotten some problems adjusting to the new overall feel of the character, I think he is still very strong but jumping on people that have their flash up is awkward as hell now. Also getting the shadow's shuriken to hit is a pain now...
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For anyone who still plays Zed after the nerfs:
Can I get some general tips on how to lane against Akali? Seems like every time I play mid lane Zed I get her and she stomps me. I've tried DShield start, Longsword-3pots, DBlade, she wins every trade and just spellvamps away all of my poke. And then after first back when I have probably cutlass + mercs she has a revolver and seekers and I don't do any damage and her ult murders me. Do I just tell my jungle to camp me? Roam?
HELP.
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the following advice is not based on actual experience try hexdunker first item, god tier against allin mages don't let her auto you if she's hit you with Q jungle camping is a great solution as long as you let her push once she starts getting armor you just can't keep up with her damage; shove lane and roam
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what do mercs do vs akali?waste of 850 gold. dshield+pot>cutlass>hexdrinker>bruta q>e>w>q>q dont start trading until you get lvl2 you outshove her ez @lvl1 hit lvl2 and keep harassing by time you hit 6 she either has seekers or hextech she cant or shouldnt have both. recall get pink+cutlass on first buy/pre 6 and just combo her she probably wont die but it will chunk her good and you get breathing room to farm/roam
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On December 16 2013 08:46 aurawashere wrote: what do mercs do vs akali?waste of 850 gold. dshield+pot>cutlass>hexdrinker>bruta q>e>w>q>q dont start trading until you get lvl2 you outshove her ez @lvl1 hit lvl2 and keep harassing by time you hit 6 she either has seekers or hextech she cant or shouldnt have both. recall get pink+cutlass on first buy/pre 6 and just combo her she probably wont die but it will chunk her good and you get breathing room to farm/roam
Granted in the specific game that finally made me admit I needed help in the matchup, the aforementioned Akali had an assist off an invade and a kill when my top lane decided it would be great to come get the enemy wraiths when he was at half health (we were blue side - "Zed no roam?" uh, how am I supposed to get there before she does?). So I was probably going to get destroyed anyways.
Weird feeding aside, should I *not* get mercs against her? I thought that magic resistance boots would be a better buy than something like cooldown. Or is just mobi into roaming the right idea?
I get what you're saying for the most part, obviously the pink ward is for when I ult and she goes into her shroud - but afterwards if I don't force her to b or kill her, doesn't she does take that? I feel like a 100g pink is a really big investment into what amounts to an extreme form of poke. Especially if it's a matchup that I'm going to struggle with?
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On December 16 2013 11:10 InfSunday wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2013 08:46 aurawashere wrote: what do mercs do vs akali?waste of 850 gold. dshield+pot>cutlass>hexdrinker>bruta q>e>w>q>q dont start trading until you get lvl2 you outshove her ez @lvl1 hit lvl2 and keep harassing by time you hit 6 she either has seekers or hextech she cant or shouldnt have both. recall get pink+cutlass on first buy/pre 6 and just combo her she probably wont die but it will chunk her good and you get breathing room to farm/roam Granted in the specific game that finally made me admit I needed help in the matchup, the aforementioned Akali had an assist off an invade and a kill when my top lane decided it would be great to come get the enemy wraiths when he was at half health (we were blue side - "Zed no roam?" uh, how am I supposed to get there before she does?). So I was probably going to get destroyed anyways. Weird feeding aside, should I *not* get mercs against her? I thought that magic resistance boots would be a better buy than something like cooldown. Or is just mobi into roaming the right idea? I get what you're saying for the most part, obviously the pink ward is for when I ult and she goes into her shroud - but afterwards if I don't force her to b or kill her, doesn't she does take that? I feel like a 100g pink is a really big investment into what amounts to an extreme form of poke. Especially if it's a matchup that I'm going to struggle with? Akali doesn't have much CC (shroud which isn't affected by mercs) and mercs cost more than boots 1+null magic mantle while providing same/similar combat stats.
He thinks it's better to wait off on finishing the mercs until you need crowd control reduction more.
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Hexdrinker is just strictly better than Mercs in that same spot in the build
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Why is hexdrinker better? Maw of malmortius is not THAT great....mercs is pretty good for the tenacity
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Who cares about Maw? You're against Akali, and you need a power spike NOW to deal with her. Hexdrinker is an efficient way to increase your damage and make it much harder for Akali to burst you down. So, with Mercs, you spend 850 gold (assuming boots 1) for 25 MR. Tenacity doesn't help you fight Akali at all. With Hexdrinker, you spend 1350 gold for the same amount of MR, 25 AD so that you can actually hurt Akali, and a shield that basically gives you 250 extra health when she allins you. That's 500 more gold for a pile of combat-relevant stats.
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On December 19 2013 22:50 Yes Im Otto wrote: Why is hexdrinker better? Maw of malmortius is not THAT great....mercs is pretty good for the tenacity The tenacity on mercs is great but it's a useless stat for the purposes of laning against Akali. By all means get mercs later in the game for the MS, MR, and tenacity, but it's not useful in lane so it's a bad usage of your precious early game gold. Which is pretty much exactly what has already been said earlier in this page.
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On December 16 2013 11:28 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2013 11:10 InfSunday wrote:On December 16 2013 08:46 aurawashere wrote: what do mercs do vs akali?waste of 850 gold. dshield+pot>cutlass>hexdrinker>bruta q>e>w>q>q dont start trading until you get lvl2 you outshove her ez @lvl1 hit lvl2 and keep harassing by time you hit 6 she either has seekers or hextech she cant or shouldnt have both. recall get pink+cutlass on first buy/pre 6 and just combo her she probably wont die but it will chunk her good and you get breathing room to farm/roam Granted in the specific game that finally made me admit I needed help in the matchup, the aforementioned Akali had an assist off an invade and a kill when my top lane decided it would be great to come get the enemy wraiths when he was at half health (we were blue side - "Zed no roam?" uh, how am I supposed to get there before she does?). So I was probably going to get destroyed anyways. Weird feeding aside, should I *not* get mercs against her? I thought that magic resistance boots would be a better buy than something like cooldown. Or is just mobi into roaming the right idea? I get what you're saying for the most part, obviously the pink ward is for when I ult and she goes into her shroud - but afterwards if I don't force her to b or kill her, doesn't she does take that? I feel like a 100g pink is a really big investment into what amounts to an extreme form of poke. Especially if it's a matchup that I'm going to struggle with? Akali doesn't have much CC (shroud which isn't affected by mercs) and mercs cost more than boots 1+null magic mantle while providing same/similar combat stats. He thinks it's better to wait off on finishing the mercs until you need crowd control reduction more.
Well. I'm dumb. :/
With the changes to your ult shadow, I'm assuming the new burst is something along the lines of ult --> w behind them --> mash e/q --> botrk active + autos, yeah? Or am I misunderstanding something? All I know is that I'm having trouble killing people with ult like I used to and I think it's because I have no shadow helping me (obviously?).
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yo, I just played as Morg vs Zed. I never played him but I'm curious, how do you "counter" mikaels? Do you have to use the time when Death mark is up and crucible down to make plays? That seems pretty stressful to me and other than a bit of dmg with his other abilities he just doesnt seem to bring anything to the table.
So is he basically forced to split push to avoid the cleanse (and maybe exhaust?)
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mikaels doesnt cleanse zeds ult[qss does] if you land everything with a couple of autos the slight heal from mikaels wont matter assuming youre hitting a squishy their head will pop off
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On August 20 2014 17:21 aurawashere wrote: mikaels doesnt cleanse zeds ult[qss does] if you land everything with a couple of autos the slight heal from mikaels wont matter assuming youre hitting a squishy their head will pop off really? I could have sworn the Death mark didnt pop. Thats weird, I dont think the heal is that strong to negate that much dmg from a 4 item zed. Graves didnt have a QSS either and he was at half hp afterwards. Man i wish there was a replay function. Thanks anyway
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On August 20 2014 18:34 Djin)ftw( wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 17:21 aurawashere wrote: mikaels doesnt cleanse zeds ult[qss does] if you land everything with a couple of autos the slight heal from mikaels wont matter assuming youre hitting a squishy their head will pop off really? I could have sworn the Death mark didnt pop. Thats weird, I dont think the heal is that strong to negate that much dmg from a 4 item zed. Graves didnt have a QSS either and he was at half hp afterwards. Man i wish there was a replay function. Thanks anyway The zed probably just missed everything. The difference between hitting 0-1 q's and 1 auto, and hitting all 3 + 2-3 autos, is amazingly huge when it comes to oneshotting squishies.
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On August 20 2014 22:05 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 18:34 Djin)ftw( wrote:On August 20 2014 17:21 aurawashere wrote: mikaels doesnt cleanse zeds ult[qss does] if you land everything with a couple of autos the slight heal from mikaels wont matter assuming youre hitting a squishy their head will pop off really? I could have sworn the Death mark didnt pop. Thats weird, I dont think the heal is that strong to negate that much dmg from a 4 item zed. Graves didnt have a QSS either and he was at half hp afterwards. Man i wish there was a replay function. Thanks anyway The zed probably just missed everything. The difference between hitting 0-1 q's and 1 auto, and hitting all 3 + 2-3 autos, is amazingly huge when it comes to oneshotting squishies.
Very true. Takes a lot of practice to get this down right. I would suggest looking up some youtube videos on it to get it down. Very important to hit the extra auto attacks on top of the different ways you can do your spell damage
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