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Roffles
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On December 02 2013 16:56 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:53 Roffles wrote:
gtrsrs is bad town because he drew poorly and didn't get what he wanted.
JayBrundage is scum because the accusations are wild and have no basis and in general everything about his posting screams "blame x, y, z" even when confronted himself instead of simply taking the time to explain himself. What? This doesnt even make sense. How would gtrsrs' response be different if he was scum? Would'nt it be the same? How does wild accusations and 'blame x, y, x' make Jay scum? Seriously what is this??
You think scum makes posts that basically say "Fuck this game, I give up?" Cause I don't think anyone's dumb enough to attract attention to themselves through that method.
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On December 02 2013 17:00 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On December 02 2013 16:53 Roffles wrote:
gtrsrs is bad town because he drew poorly and didn't get what he wanted.
JayBrundage is scum because the accusations are wild and have no basis and in general everything about his posting screams "blame x, y, z" even when confronted himself instead of simply taking the time to explain himself. What? This doesnt even make sense. How would gtrsrs' response be different if he was scum? Would'nt it be the same? How does wild accusations and 'blame x, y, x' make Jay scum? Seriously what is this?? You think scum makes posts that basically say "Fuck this game, I give up?" Cause I don't think anyone's dumb enough to attract attention to themselves through that method.
Uh yeah why not cause people like you think like this.
The more pressing thing is the Jay read. Flesh it out.
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On December 02 2013 16:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Stop noob claiming kenpachi
honestly, I was just thinking about playing in a newbie mafia game cause you guys are so much better than before :d
I stopped playing after the atrocity of Steamship Mafia, don't ever lynch me day 1 again. God that was frustrating but I digress
I'm by no means bad. I have faith in me to show you up
K yeah bye 4realz now gnite
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On December 02 2013 17:00 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On December 02 2013 16:53 Roffles wrote:
gtrsrs is bad town because he drew poorly and didn't get what he wanted.
JayBrundage is scum because the accusations are wild and have no basis and in general everything about his posting screams "blame x, y, z" even when confronted himself instead of simply taking the time to explain himself. What? This doesnt even make sense. How would gtrsrs' response be different if he was scum? Would'nt it be the same? How does wild accusations and 'blame x, y, x' make Jay scum? Seriously what is this?? You think scum makes posts that basically say "Fuck this game, I give up?" Cause I don't think anyone's dumb enough to attract attention to themselves through that method. I dont think gtrsrs is scum, but thats a stretch of his filter.
On December 02 2013 14:39 gtrsrs wrote:
so who took kha'zix? i declared that i was taking him and so you are scum for taking him. please come forward so i can lynch you
Doesn't sound like hes giving up to me?
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On December 02 2013 17:01 Kenpachi wrote:honestly, I was just thinking about playing in a newbie mafia game cause you guys are so much better than before :d I stopped playing after the atrocity of Steamship Mafia, don't ever lynch me day 1 again. God that was frustrating but I digress I'm by no means bad. I have faith in me to show you up K yeah bye 4realz now gnite lol carried by kenpachi rule
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Understanding VE 101 by MZ
So I have a pretty lengthy history with mislynching VE. As a result I believe I am very good at reading him and am willing to make strong reads based off what I see
Let’s go over VE this game. In the first 5 hours he makes 15 posts. They are one liners which don’t do much but let you know he’s following the game and thinking about it. By comparison, it takes VE 3 days to reach 15 posts in the game rayn linked. In the first 5 hours VE makes exactly 1 post. They have the same tone but they lack the same carefree nature that VE’s posts when he’s town have. These 15 posts constitute my early game read on VE and it only got stronger from there.
K can we get off my dick now? This shit is a little old especially since we all agree I am right.
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On December 02 2013 16:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still fail to see how anything gtrsrs has done serves "anti-town agenda". I don't think he is working with any agenda at all, which points towards town. MZ why are you not calling me scum because i said i will pick a KP-role and shoot Oats until he dies? It was his post about the quality of the thread that really set me off since it was such bullshit and he then proceeded to post more bullshit. Scum love threads where there is a lot of bullshit and that's what he was contributing to. As to your second point, I have a town read on you, I haven't paid too much attention to oats but if you have kp and decide to shoot him I'd appreciate we discuss it first. Actually I have no idea what your second point is about. If you're asking me as to why I don't have a meta read on you it's because I haven't played with you as much/I don't remember you very much from previous games.
My point is this. You are calling gtrsrs scum because he is working with scum-agenda. I assume this is because he got a vanilla role and posted about voting for anyone who picked "his role".
What's the difference between that and my posts like this:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 30 2013 20:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2013 20:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On November 30 2013 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 30 2013 20:02 Oatsmaster wrote:On November 30 2013 20:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Have you read anything i have written Oats? you said sandro is scum for xxx reasons. Which is kinda wrong because sandro wont even post more than once or twice if hes scum. Whats wrong with SS's vet plan? So you have not read anything. check. The problem with assigning vets to top picks is that we should assign townies to top picks. Anything else is idiotic. So you dont think you can read the vets well enough? And what exactly am I not reading Rayn? Of course i can. Read again. I am tired of arguing with you already because you are not making any sense. On November 30 2013 21:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm picking a KP role and policy shooting Oats until he dies.
Locked. On November 30 2013 21:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do i look like i care? On November 30 2013 21:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i don't wanna play in a game where people say making bad posts is a town-tell for anyone and where people say i can't have a scumread on someone based on that they are incapable of posting 10 times / phase as scum.
I honestly don't give a fuck if you lynch me. I couldn't care less because lately TL town have been absolutely crap. Me + Risen should get top 2 spots and then we just shoot stupidity. That's the best plan. On November 30 2013 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't even care if Oats is scum or town, he can't possibly have good reads if his reasoning for his reads is what it seems like..
Because both can be labeled as frustration or "shitting up the thread" based on which side you look at it from. If you are looking at gtrsrs' posts from "shitting up the thread" point of view why the hell do you have a townread on me?
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Roffles
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On December 02 2013 17:02 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 17:00 Roffles wrote:On December 02 2013 16:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On December 02 2013 16:53 Roffles wrote:
gtrsrs is bad town because he drew poorly and didn't get what he wanted.
JayBrundage is scum because the accusations are wild and have no basis and in general everything about his posting screams "blame x, y, z" even when confronted himself instead of simply taking the time to explain himself. What? This doesnt even make sense. How would gtrsrs' response be different if he was scum? Would'nt it be the same? How does wild accusations and 'blame x, y, x' make Jay scum? Seriously what is this?? You think scum makes posts that basically say "Fuck this game, I give up?" Cause I don't think anyone's dumb enough to attract attention to themselves through that method. I dont think gtrsrs is scum, but thats a stretch of his filter. Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 14:39 gtrsrs wrote:
so who took kha'zix? i declared that i was taking him and so you are scum for taking him. please come forward so i can lynch you Doesn't sound like hes giving up to me?
Doesn't sound like he cares what happens to anyone except that whoever took his champ gets lynched.
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Roffles
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On December 02 2013 17:01 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 17:00 Roffles wrote:On December 02 2013 16:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On December 02 2013 16:53 Roffles wrote:
gtrsrs is bad town because he drew poorly and didn't get what he wanted.
JayBrundage is scum because the accusations are wild and have no basis and in general everything about his posting screams "blame x, y, z" even when confronted himself instead of simply taking the time to explain himself. What? This doesnt even make sense. How would gtrsrs' response be different if he was scum? Would'nt it be the same? How does wild accusations and 'blame x, y, x' make Jay scum? Seriously what is this?? You think scum makes posts that basically say "Fuck this game, I give up?" Cause I don't think anyone's dumb enough to attract attention to themselves through that method. Uh yeah why not cause people like you think like this. The more pressing thing is the Jay read. Flesh it out.
Based off the information we have right now on him, I think there's a very high probability. I want to see his defense before pulling the trigger because there's really not much meat as of right now.
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On December 02 2013 17:07 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 17:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On December 02 2013 17:00 Roffles wrote:On December 02 2013 16:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On December 02 2013 16:53 Roffles wrote:
gtrsrs is bad town because he drew poorly and didn't get what he wanted.
JayBrundage is scum because the accusations are wild and have no basis and in general everything about his posting screams "blame x, y, z" even when confronted himself instead of simply taking the time to explain himself. What? This doesnt even make sense. How would gtrsrs' response be different if he was scum? Would'nt it be the same? How does wild accusations and 'blame x, y, x' make Jay scum? Seriously what is this?? You think scum makes posts that basically say "Fuck this game, I give up?" Cause I don't think anyone's dumb enough to attract attention to themselves through that method. Uh yeah why not cause people like you think like this. The more pressing thing is the Jay read. Flesh it out. Based off the information we have right now on him, I think there's a very high probability. I want to see his defense before pulling the trigger because there's really not much meat as of right now.
EXPLAIN READ ON JAY
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On December 02 2013 17:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On December 02 2013 16:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still fail to see how anything gtrsrs has done serves "anti-town agenda". I don't think he is working with any agenda at all, which points towards town. MZ why are you not calling me scum because i said i will pick a KP-role and shoot Oats until he dies? It was his post about the quality of the thread that really set me off since it was such bullshit and he then proceeded to post more bullshit. Scum love threads where there is a lot of bullshit and that's what he was contributing to. As to your second point, I have a town read on you, I haven't paid too much attention to oats but if you have kp and decide to shoot him I'd appreciate we discuss it first. Actually I have no idea what your second point is about. If you're asking me as to why I don't have a meta read on you it's because I haven't played with you as much/I don't remember you very much from previous games. My point is this. You are calling gtrsrs scum because he is working with scum-agenda. I assume this is because he got a vanilla role and posted about voting for anyone who picked "his role". What's the difference between that and my posts like this: + Show Spoiler +On November 30 2013 20:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2013 20:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On November 30 2013 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 30 2013 20:02 Oatsmaster wrote:On November 30 2013 20:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Have you read anything i have written Oats? you said sandro is scum for xxx reasons. Which is kinda wrong because sandro wont even post more than once or twice if hes scum. Whats wrong with SS's vet plan? So you have not read anything. check. The problem with assigning vets to top picks is that we should assign townies to top picks. Anything else is idiotic. So you dont think you can read the vets well enough? And what exactly am I not reading Rayn? Of course i can. Read again. I am tired of arguing with you already because you are not making any sense. On November 30 2013 21:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm picking a KP role and policy shooting Oats until he dies.
Locked. On November 30 2013 21:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do i look like i care? On November 30 2013 21:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i don't wanna play in a game where people say making bad posts is a town-tell for anyone and where people say i can't have a scumread on someone based on that they are incapable of posting 10 times / phase as scum.
I honestly don't give a fuck if you lynch me. I couldn't care less because lately TL town have been absolutely crap. Me + Risen should get top 2 spots and then we just shoot stupidity. That's the best plan. On November 30 2013 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't even care if Oats is scum or town, he can't possibly have good reads if his reasoning for his reads is what it seems like.. Because both can be labeled as frustration or "shitting up the thread" based on which side you look at it from. If you are looking at gtrsrs' posts from "shitting up the thread" point of view why the hell do you have a townread on me?
uh you care about the game and it shows? You're trying? Your posts serve a goal of finding scum? I mean everyone has "off" posts from time to time and everyone gets frustrated but you are clearly working for towards a protown objective. I don't think the same can be said for gtrsrs.
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On December 02 2013 17:06 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 17:02 Mocsta wrote:On December 02 2013 17:00 Roffles wrote:On December 02 2013 16:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On December 02 2013 16:53 Roffles wrote:
gtrsrs is bad town because he drew poorly and didn't get what he wanted.
JayBrundage is scum because the accusations are wild and have no basis and in general everything about his posting screams "blame x, y, z" even when confronted himself instead of simply taking the time to explain himself. What? This doesnt even make sense. How would gtrsrs' response be different if he was scum? Would'nt it be the same? How does wild accusations and 'blame x, y, x' make Jay scum? Seriously what is this?? You think scum makes posts that basically say "Fuck this game, I give up?" Cause I don't think anyone's dumb enough to attract attention to themselves through that method. I dont think gtrsrs is scum, but thats a stretch of his filter. On December 02 2013 14:39 gtrsrs wrote:
so who took kha'zix? i declared that i was taking him and so you are scum for taking him. please come forward so i can lynch you Doesn't sound like hes giving up to me? Doesn't sound like he cares what happens to anyone except that whoever took his champ gets lynched.
hmmm, perhaps this is just a matter of semantics/interpretations. All moot carry on.
Want to weigh in on this MZ stuff?
Is MZ overplaying bad town tells; or scum pushing lynch bait?
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Oh jesus, it's 10 am. Probably should go to bed.
tbh i am not enough confident in voting for anyone at this point. MZ might be scum or town, idk yet, he's been quite reasonably trying to explain himself and that to me indicates he actually believes in stuff he says - whether or not it's right or wrong.
Need to see more people posting. Good night morning guys!
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You don't need to post anymore VE. You are super cluttering the read and I doubt you are in danger of needing to prove yourself anytime soon with the position you put yourself in.
I think it's pretty obvious jcarl is mafia
On December 01 2013 09:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:
howdy guys - still working on catching up
As it's clearly been determined, Yorick is probably the worst for town, that's going.
I think there are things more threatening than Graves, tbh, but it looks like that will be #2.
##vote: Urgot
I do think Urgot is much more powerful in the hands of teamwork, so definitely harder for town to actually make use of.
I think we should also be aware of some of the other funky teamwork things that scum can take advantage of. Say scum has people at opposite ends of the list - one is Blitzcrank and one is Nidalee. Also, Ashe + Warwick could be pretty good in the right circumstances. The ball is already rolling on Urgot, and I do agree he's a good threat to eliminate.
rayn's strat for picks has a bit of merit, but as far as I can tell, it hasn't been adopted by the thread community.
It's short and seemingly inocuous, but the lines after voting are really offensive to me. He was definitely aware of how many votes Urgot had, and I feel like it was meant to be blended into a more concrete post. Too bad the whole entire rest of the post is fluff. The only things that could be argued redeemable are the vote on Urgot, and the banter about roles no one was mentioning. Lines 2, 3 and the last line make the post bigger then it is and add nothing.
This bleeped on my radar so I studied his other posts.
On December 01 2013 11:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 11:03 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I mean yes, he's hard to deal with in general.
But it's been brought up before.. His town play is hyper aggressive and thus far the only real issue I have floating about is the Oats/Marv/Rayn exchange earlier on. But I don't think it's enough for me to call any of that group scum yet. So I'm curious on where your thought process here is..
Are you just policy lynching him? I've never played with him. I rarely play by the meta unless I am VERY familiar with someone's play. So I don't care if he's known for an aggressive town. If it's well known enough, then he knows people know that. I'm just feeling in a killing mood and he's given me reason to look his way.
This is pretty bad. Usually I can appreciate aggression, but I don't see rhyme or reason. Empty statements explaining one's self are pretty damning.
On December 01 2013 11:44 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I've always liked you for your calm head and level thinking, geript
Why don't you think he's scum? What, in all of his disruption and argumentative posts made you give him a "I want to keep you around" vibe?
Again, really bad aggression. The questions are very forced, and would not help town if they were answered. Aggression without reason isn't townie.
On December 01 2013 12:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 11:53 geript wrote:On December 01 2013 11:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Nono geript. Rayn capable of hyperactivity as scum. I don't disagree. My point is that as scum he has no reason to be this active right now on day -1. Maybe on Day 0 to get a lynch line up but not right now. Especially when most people aren't reading or posting. Plus, I understand his tow reads and mostly agree with them. I just don't think organizing picks ever works well. Sounds like the perfect time for scum to want to be active and say stuff - the conversation never got much further than "what do we ban?" - there were related things, but nothing hugely in depth came into play - this is a scum's playground
You can see he's paying attention, but he's very out of place. I've been in this situation as scum where you are caught looking at a problem with your hands in your pockets. Why you are not trying to do something about it is because you don't want it fixed.
On December 02 2013 00:15 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 23:06 Koshi wrote:
raynpolikoneet
I am not going to do what you are saying. Might pick Viktor though.
Kinda liking Karthus. I think Viktor is probably the best first pick. If you're town, you can definitely put it to good use. If you're scum, and anything goes awry due to inventions, we'll know who to look for. --------------------------------------- @Mocsta: Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 23:21 marvellosity wrote:
jcarl must be being sarcastic there... Marv is correct - reread the context, I was being hugely sardonic there. I had made, what, 2 or 3 posts? and geript was shoving a stick of dynamite down my throat. -------------------------------------------- Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 22:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On December 01 2013 22:55 Kurumi wrote:
Mafia really does not want us to know their champion names. You are mafia and have access to their QT? or, ya know, kurumi is basing that opinion off of the bans that scum put through... --------------------------------------- I do not believe that all the cop checks are gone from the game. There is definitely some potential for champs 2nd/3rd abilities to be alignment/role revealing. Off the top of my head: Nidalee - traps (something we may want to consider picking early due to her spears being scary) Thresh - lantern? Kog - ult Orianna - Q? (although she will more likely have her ult) We have to be very wary of the potential auxiliary abilities because I have a feeling that a lot of champions will have some REALLY scary abilities we don't know about. Things like Annie Tibbers or Ziggs Bomb could be hugely damaging.
How much of this is actual content? It's mostly parroting, and what isn't is either bad explanations, or original thoughts that he never intends to see lift off the ground. If anyone had responded to this asking him to expound on his speculation, I don't think he'd have much of a follow up response.
On December 02 2013 08:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 07:43 Roffles wrote:
I think we may need to account for what each champion is potentially able to provide with their unknown ability instead of what they're thus far listed as being able to do. It's super risky to do, but if played well can bring a huge advantage to whatever side plays it the best.
Take for example bumatlarge's list of proactive green champs (Jarvan, Lux, Taric, Karma, Galio, Orianna, Syndra) and notice they're all protective champs. But other champs that don't seem to be that useful as listed like Soraka could easily have an additional ability to mass heal or even just heal. In addition to the roleblock ability, that could easily become a priority pick to have.
Also, some champs that don't necessarily seem deadly at first glance like Twitch could turn out to have some ridiculous second ability like who knows? Stealth and ability to hit everyone up to a certain range away? It's possible, and it's something to potentially ponder.
You could easily end up assigning someone a role and that can turn to bite you in the ass because you don't have complete information on what that role can do. Trying to speculate doesn't really do all that much to help, tbh. Sure, we can make somewhat educated guesses, but they would still be complete guesses. We just don't know what the mods are hiding from us, and we know they can be creative. It doesn't hurt to be prepared for the mindset that there's so much we don't know. But trying to pinpoint what it will be is a fairly non-value add activity.
But you really did just violate this yourself. And even then, this is just empty posts that don't bring anything forward. i remember responding to this same post, and you seemed to take a very purposeful roundabout way to say speculation isn't useful right now.
On December 02 2013 08:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 08:32 sandroba wrote:
Let me think aloud here for a second. What happens if we all claim which roles we are taking, so it ensures maximum amount of roles for town. That way even mafia has to claim and we all claim what we did (after resolution) for the night as well. That would greatly simplify the game and force mafia to make mistakes with their claims. The trade off is that mafia is going to get what they want and know where the roles are, but with so many different protective roles and unknown abilities pehaps it is a good trade off. A town composed of 100% blues is a monster. Feels risky. Say we have a couple scum in the first ~10. They can false claim and then screw some people out of strong roles that they want. I'm not sure, it just feels like it makes us vulnerable. Although it does provide some accountability. But giving scum the priority targets because they know what everyone makes it fairly simple for them to aim in the right directions.
On December 02 2013 08:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Well, explain to me how it goes after we pick and get the rest of the abilities. We then claim our full abilities?
It's easy enough for scum to fake claim, and then they know everything, while we sit here wondering if someone lied about additional abilities.
Then if some secondary abilities cause huge problems, we don't know who to hold accountable.
All in all, it feels like scum gets too much info while we don't benefit as much.
The posts sound so similar that they start to blend together. I don't think it's possible for JCarl to be town.
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On December 02 2013 16:51 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2013 16:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:uh no missed that sorry. I really don't know what you're accusing me of. Let's clear this up once and for all: I first provided a green read on VE AFTER rayn asked me. My reasoning was the same then as it was now: I've seen his play and know what it looks like. I came out in defense of him so hard because I know what an easy mislynch he is. He was mislynched in the last game I played and I've mislynched him before. He's an easy target for scum to jump on and I wanted to put a halt to any possible wagon that might start. onto gtrsrs... idk how it's fake, my case is like literally the second one made this game, I have no idea how it's "fake." I pointed out behavior I thought was scummy and how gtrsrs has not been playing with a town mindset. OK, I can leave the town VE read alone. I suppose everyone has their own special reads (e.g. Rayn with OdinofPergo). I don't like how you have gone about gtrsrs. My read on him aside (1) You made a case on a guy calling him out for flying under the radar -- yet you noticed him someone has to? I don't see how this is a problem. Are you saying we're both scum and I'm bussing? The point of scum hunting is to search out and find scum. Scum don't just magically lynch themselves, they have to be found first I am pointing out the irony of your case. If he is fulfilling a scum objective to blend in, he would not have stood out to you. sigh, so in order to be working towards the scum objective of not getting caught you have to actually not get caught? This literally makes no sense, that implies that if a scum is caught they aren't scum because they got caught. Do you understand how dumb that sounds?Show nested quote +(2) Instead of probing to ascertain his alignment, you lead with a vote. With his amount of content I dont see how anyone could have such a strong read on him. What differentiates him from all the other trolls?
a) votes are the best way to gain information b) he's different because he's trying to look like he cares while at the same time trying to hide. c) Besides, it's the beginning of the game so I vote off of the information I have available to me. My vote isn't set in stone, it simply lies where I feel it is most appropriate at the moment So are you voting him for information, or because you think he is scum? Like, in your case you originally point out LSB. Why not probe LSB further instead of going for the easy path forward with gtrsrs? Because I think he's scum. But if someone comes along who I consider a better candidate I'll vote them. Why do you have a problem with me voting? He's in no danger of dying at the moment. As for LSB, that's a gut feeling and I need to see him post more (as I said) before I can draw anything from itShow nested quote +(3) You aren't going out of your way to adapt your message to communicate it.
i.e. you put out a case and are happy to talk about other issues (in fairness you are being called out) but still. this reads like feigned contribution to me.
Somehow VE became a much bigger issue so I've kinda been dealing with that. Also gtrsrs hasn't been back in the thread so there's not much I can do until he responds to what I have to say This is acceptable. good -_-Show nested quote +(4) In Sicilian you were an unpleasant troll -- but town. Why can't gtrsrs fit this mould?
lol... was waiting for someone to point out I was an ass in Sicilian... I don't even remember why I trolled Sicilian, the point is I don't think gtrsrs is trolling, he just has anti town objectives. And what again is his specific objective that he is pushing? As far as I could see , he is self-centered. Which yes could be scum.. but as has been proved by game after game of forum mafia, could also be town. I cant follow how you jump to this conclusion. He is shitting up the thread and trying not to look like he's doing so. That's scummy
jesus christ calm down, I missed it again. As you recognized I am currently dealing with other people.
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Mocsta, vote jcarl. You already figured out he was scum before I did.
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I'm going to bed. It will make it more difficult for me to find the rest of the mafia if all the other scum vote jcarl before the rest of town does.
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On December 02 2013 17:19 bumatlarge wrote:
Mocsta, vote jcarl. You already figured out he was scum before I did.
But you didnt vote him? lol
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On December 02 2013 17:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:51 Mocsta wrote:On December 02 2013 16:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 02 2013 16:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:uh no missed that sorry. I really don't know what you're accusing me of. Let's clear this up once and for all: I first provided a green read on VE AFTER rayn asked me. My reasoning was the same then as it was now: I've seen his play and know what it looks like. I came out in defense of him so hard because I know what an easy mislynch he is. He was mislynched in the last game I played and I've mislynched him before. He's an easy target for scum to jump on and I wanted to put a halt to any possible wagon that might start. onto gtrsrs... idk how it's fake, my case is like literally the second one made this game, I have no idea how it's "fake." I pointed out behavior I thought was scummy and how gtrsrs has not been playing with a town mindset. OK, I can leave the town VE read alone. I suppose everyone has their own special reads (e.g. Rayn with OdinofPergo). I don't like how you have gone about gtrsrs. My read on him aside (1) You made a case on a guy calling him out for flying under the radar -- yet you noticed him someone has to? I don't see how this is a problem. Are you saying we're both scum and I'm bussing? The point of scum hunting is to search out and find scum. Scum don't just magically lynch themselves, they have to be found first I am pointing out the irony of your case. If he is fulfilling a scum objective to blend in, he would not have stood out to you. sigh, so in order to be working towards the scum objective of not getting caught you have to actually not get caught? This literally makes no sense, that implies that if a scum is caught they aren't scum because they got caught. Do you understand how dumb that sounds?(2) Instead of probing to ascertain his alignment, you lead with a vote. With his amount of content I dont see how anyone could have such a strong read on him. What differentiates him from all the other trolls?
a) votes are the best way to gain information b) he's different because he's trying to look like he cares while at the same time trying to hide. c) Besides, it's the beginning of the game so I vote off of the information I have available to me. My vote isn't set in stone, it simply lies where I feel it is most appropriate at the moment So are you voting him for information, or because you think he is scum? Like, in your case you originally point out LSB. Why not probe LSB further instead of going for the easy path forward with gtrsrs? Because I think he's scum. But if someone comes along who I consider a better candidate I'll vote them. Why do you have a problem with me voting? He's in no danger of dying at the moment. As for LSB, that's a gut feeling and I need to see him post more (as I said) before I can draw anything from it(3) You aren't going out of your way to adapt your message to communicate it.
i.e. you put out a case and are happy to talk about other issues (in fairness you are being called out) but still. this reads like feigned contribution to me.
Somehow VE became a much bigger issue so I've kinda been dealing with that. Also gtrsrs hasn't been back in the thread so there's not much I can do until he responds to what I have to say This is acceptable. good -_-(4) In Sicilian you were an unpleasant troll -- but town. Why can't gtrsrs fit this mould?
lol... was waiting for someone to point out I was an ass in Sicilian... I don't even remember why I trolled Sicilian, the point is I don't think gtrsrs is trolling, he just has anti town objectives. And what again is his specific objective that he is pushing? As far as I could see , he is self-centered. Which yes could be scum.. but as has been proved by game after game of forum mafia, could also be town. I cant follow how you jump to this conclusion. He is shitting up the thread and trying not to look like he's doing so. That's scummy jesus christ calm down, I missed it again. As you recognized I am currently dealing with other people. Points 1-3 are accepted.
Point 4 -- I dont follow this conclusion.
What has he done to shit the thread; even you acknowledge his post content is low.
Further, he seems to be keeping everything within his own microcosm.
Vote remains.
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