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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On December 02 2013 16:12 Kenpachi wrote: Personally, I think you're blindsided for considering so many people town this early on. So I find it hard to take all of your claims seriously. what are you trying to accomplish by holding hands with everybody I am holding hands only with people i think are town. Which of those reads you disagree on? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On December 02 2013 16:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: He has absolutely no idea what to do as scum and is the definition of wishy-washyness and insecureness. Does it look like that in this game?  hmm. I dont see it personally. I skimmed his Mafia L (roleblocker) filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&user=OdinOfPergo&view=all and I thought a lot of his accusations were quite bold. The only wishywashiness I saw was his use of adjectives to diminish his accusations. You seem to be playing level headed, and there is certainly credit that you just coached him. But I don't see enough to state hes a STRONG town read. Maybe slight town lean but hes certainly not off-limits from being pressured I think. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On December 02 2013 16:02 Mocsta wrote: Sir Roffles Do you have an opinion on someone <other> than gtrsrs? Jaybrundage screams red. Just complete wishwash nonsense from him. Inactivity for a while after trying to "unsuccessfully" instigate plans he never had any intentions of carrying out. Think MZ's red too. Don't have previous experience for me to draw information off, but his play seems super hostile for no apparent reason, especially when someone briefly mentions his name in passing as "could be scum". Doesn't make any sense to me why anyone would be so super defensive so quick. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
On December 02 2013 16:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think VE is town for his contributions on D1. I think you are scum for calling him town for his contributions from N0 because he was definitely not townie back then. I literally just showed you the game I am basing my read off of. Should I go find more? This isn't the first or second or third time that I've seen this. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On December 02 2013 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am holding hands only with people i think are town. Which of those reads you disagree on? all of them. what the hell? you're avoiding the question | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Are you intentionally ignoring me? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=54#1072 | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
On December 02 2013 16:16 Oatsmaster wrote: MZ, whats your read on Rayn since he is so wrong about VE I've always thought he was town because of his D0 stuff. That hasn't changed. Someone can be wrong on a read and still be town, wrong =/= scum. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On December 02 2013 16:18 Mocsta wrote: hmm. I dont see it personally. I skimmed his Mafia L (roleblocker) filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&user=OdinOfPergo&view=all and I thought a lot of his accusations were quite bold. The only wishywashiness I saw was his use of adjectives to diminish his accusations. You seem to be playing level headed, and there is certainly credit that you just coached him. But I don't see enough to state hes a STRONG town read. Maybe slight town lean but hes certainly not off-limits from being pressured I think. + Show Spoiler + OdinofPergo 10-31-2013 01:35 AM ET (US) omg... am I that transparent?! It is really hard for me to post pointless arguments. The longer I have to make the post.... The more this increases. GG. inb4 I lose the game for us! OdinofPergo 10-31-2013 01:33 AM ET (US) @Rayn, can I do anything to try to pull pressure off either OWB or Poof without appearing as scum? They both look worse than me. I want to try to deflect but the only way I can think of how to do it would involve throwing myself under the bus. Which I'm not sure I get out of again. raynpelikoneet 10-31-2013 01:33 AM ET (US) Also i can see it's really hard for you to play as scum OOP. Don't worry, it is for some people. You did really good in the last game you played in. Loosen it up a bit and just try to have some fun! ^^ | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On December 02 2013 16:18 Roffles wrote: Jaybrundage screams red. Just complete wishwash nonsense from him. Inactivity for a while after trying to "unsuccessfully" instigate plans he never had any intentions of carrying out. Think MZ's red too. Don't have previous experience for me to draw information off, but his play seems super hostile for no apparent reason, especially when someone briefly mentions his name in passing as "could be scum". Doesn't make any sense to me why anyone would be so super defensive so quick. With gtrsrs you gave some insight into why you think his motives were townie. With Jay + MZ can you have detailed some actions you find odd/scummy. Can you please walk me through why the motives are pushing a scum agenda. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
On December 02 2013 16:19 Mocsta wrote: MZ Are you intentionally ignoring me? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=54#1072 uh no missed that sorry. I really don't know what you're accusing me of. Let's clear this up once and for all: I first provided a green read on VE AFTER rayn asked me. My reasoning was the same then as it was now: I've seen his play and know what it looks like. I came out in defense of him so hard because I know what an easy mislynch he is. He was mislynched in the last game I played and I've mislynched him before. He's an easy target for scum to jump on and I wanted to put a halt to any possible wagon that might start. onto gtrsrs... idk how it's fake, my case is like literally the second one made this game, I have no idea how it's "fake." I pointed out behavior I thought was scummy and how gtrsrs has not been playing with a town mindset. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On December 02 2013 16:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: uh no missed that sorry. I really don't know what you're accusing me of. Let's clear this up once and for all: I first provided a green read on VE AFTER rayn asked me. My reasoning was the same then as it was now: I've seen his play and know what it looks like. I came out in defense of him so hard because I know what an easy mislynch he is. He was mislynched in the last game I played and I've mislynched him before. He's an easy target for scum to jump on and I wanted to put a halt to any possible wagon that might start. onto gtrsrs... idk how it's fake, my case is like literally the second one made this game, I have no idea how it's "fake." I pointed out behavior I thought was scummy and how gtrsrs has not been playing with a town mindset. +1 | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On December 02 2013 16:19 Kenpachi wrote: all of them. what the hell? you're avoiding the question I think i have explained the reads on Oats, Odin, VE, gtrsrs and supersoft. Sandroba had a really pro-town end of N0. Mocsta is being reasonable and has good thoughts and questions for people. geript is a meta-read and started scumhunting asap on N0 and noticed jay's terribad post. Had really good posts overall. JAT is being reasonable and wants to work together regarding plans and calls out people for their bad posts. StorrZerg the same. I don't see your point. N0 in PYP's it's more beneficial to find townies than to find scum because you should put townies in top of draft order to ensure good roles are picked by town. Therefore i have way more townreads than scumreads, i have been townhunting more than scumhunting. Am i not allowed to have 10 townreads in a game where there is like 25 townies? If you disagree with them why don't you tell me where i am wrong or question me about the reads? Why just say "you can't do this". In last PYP i found 6 townies in the first 24h. So no, it's not unreasonable at all to have 10 townreads in my opinion. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On December 02 2013 16:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: OK, I can leave the town VE read alone. I suppose everyone has their own special reads (e.g. Rayn with OdinofPergo).uh no missed that sorry. I really don't know what you're accusing me of. Let's clear this up once and for all: I first provided a green read on VE AFTER rayn asked me. My reasoning was the same then as it was now: I've seen his play and know what it looks like. I came out in defense of him so hard because I know what an easy mislynch he is. He was mislynched in the last game I played and I've mislynched him before. He's an easy target for scum to jump on and I wanted to put a halt to any possible wagon that might start. onto gtrsrs... idk how it's fake, my case is like literally the second one made this game, I have no idea how it's "fake." I pointed out behavior I thought was scummy and how gtrsrs has not been playing with a town mindset. I don't like how you have gone about gtrsrs. My read on him aside (1) You made a case on a guy calling him out for flying under the radar -- yet you noticed him (2) Instead of probing to ascertain his alignment, you lead with a vote. With his amount of content I dont see how anyone could have such a strong read on him. What differentiates him from all the other trolls? (3) You aren't going out of your way to adapt your message to communicate it. i.e. you put out a case and are happy to talk about other issues (in fairness you are being called out) but still. this reads like feigned contribution to me. (4) In Sicilian you were an unpleasant troll -- but town. Why can't gtrsrs fit this mould? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
What do you think of Roffles? //fair enough if you want to wait for him to reply to my last query. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766&user=visceraeyes How is this different than this game? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On December 02 2013 16:36 Mocsta wrote: Rayn, What do you think of Roffles? //fair enough if you want to wait for him to reply to my last query. Nothing much. I like his comments on gtrsrs but considering that's the only thing he has had to say i don't have any sort of read on him. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On December 02 2013 16:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think i have explained the reads on Oats, Odin, VE, gtrsrs and supersoft. Sandroba had a really pro-town end of N0. Mocsta is being reasonable and has good thoughts and questions for people. geript is a meta-read and started scumhunting asap on N0 and noticed jay's terribad post. Had really good posts overall. JAT is being reasonable and wants to work together regarding plans and calls out people for their bad posts. StorrZerg the same. I don't see your point. N0 in PYP's it's more beneficial to find townies than to find scum because you should put townies in top of draft order to ensure good roles are picked by town. Therefore i have way more townreads than scumreads, i have been townhunting more than scumhunting. Am i not allowed to have 10 townreads in a game where there is like 25 townies? If you disagree with them why don't you tell me where i am wrong or question me about the reads? Why just say "you can't do this". In last PYP i found 6 townies in the first 24h. So no, it's not unreasonable at all to have 10 townreads in my opinion. haha fuck I have to agree bitterly cause its rather right but I don't want to agree with it, cause I feel like a total idiot tbh. And being damned, I'd have to submit to your method for now. My day 1 is by far the weakest part of my game anyways so I cant criticize you for having a plan when honestly, I'm going to be sitting here considering everyone null. But I would say its hard to call everyone in that group town based on the statistics/intuition. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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