TL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die - Page 295

Yamato77
Why did you mason me?

Yamato77
I apologize, now that I remember LXII, I think you're actually town for this.

Either way, scum probably won't kill you, and they can't roleblock you, so it's not like being outed is a huge deal. I thought about this before I posted in the thread.

If you need any help catching up or whatever, let me know.

LoneMeow
I masoned you because I wanted to ascertain your alignment. Based on pregame and playing with you before I thought knowing which side you are on would be very useful. I sent the request before reading the thread because the wording was a bit unclear ("beginning of cycle" and such, so I figured I'd have to send the request before reading to fullfil the "spirit of the rules" if not the word). Still catching up on the thread, very busy day at work.

LoneMeow
I'd like to hear your thoughts of raynpelikoneet and especially his defense of me. I see a flaw in his logic, but is that obvious to you too?

Yamato77
honestly, flawed logic doesn't mean anything

arguing over people beign right or wrong about how they reason is the biggest noob trap ever

LoneMeow
If you can't become the mayor, who would you prefer to get the job? Who would you prefer to be the pardoner? Is that affected by who gets the mayor job?

Yamato77
VE will be mayor AFAIK and he should be. I should be pardoner but BC is an alright choice. I don't trust ss fully but he had some town tells early on when I mentioned that you masoned me in the thread. I put pressure on him because I want to see what he does.

I'll be rereading today.

LoneMeow
Do you believe Pandain's mason claim? And what does that imply of his alignment, if anything?

Yamato77Last mayor game had a bunch of masons. He could be a mason, but it doesn't make him town.

I think he's townish though.

Yamato77
Why do people still think I think BC is mafia? I clearly said otherwise

right now I'm working with BH/austin as mafia

Yamato77
If you come back before the deadline, I'd really like it if you placed your vote on me over VE. I don't think VE is mafia, but I think I would use the lynch better than he would.

LoneMeow
I will be back before deadline. I could agree about BH being scum, his uselessness is very similar to Hogwarts (I'm not really aware of his town meta though). Not fully caught up to the thread right now, but I'm reconsidering my vote and will prioritise voting someone I think is most likely town - a mislynch I can live with but electing scum as mayor would be very bad.

Yamato77
I think it's really obvious that I'm town.

Yamato77
Is this mason over or did you not continue to post here at all?

LoneMeow
I believe we're masoned until end of cycle, so a few more hours still. I was afk for most of the last 24 hours or so, and in fact missed the deadline too.

LoneMeow
Now that we're both around, there's a few things I'd like to hear your opinion on:

1) Do you think BH's uselessness is alignment indicative? Would you still want to lynch him?
2) Your read on Onegu?
3) Ditto on Pandain?

Yamato77
BH is mafia, Onegu I am unsure of, I think Pandain is townish but I struggle to reconcile why he voted for SS who called him mafia.

LoneMeow
I would support a BH lynch, he's been utterly useless and very much reminds me of the way he played in Hogwarts.

I had Pandain down as scum before deadline, but he's looking better to me now so I'd say null for now.

Koshi compared my lurking to my scum play in Hogwarts - do you think he's intentionally cherry picking or did he honestly forget I played very much like that as town in LXI?

Yamato77
Koshi is quite possibly mafia. I don't like a single post he's made about his reads.

marvellosity
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supersoft
11-23-2013
05:21 PM ET (US)
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ah i overlooked that shit yes...
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Mig
11-23-2013
02:36 PM ET (US)
Whatever you do hammer Risen hard. He is so full of shit. He knows there isnt any night KP left. He would not have fought so hard to survive just to give up he is trying to trick the town by playing dead.
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Mig
11-23-2013
11:31 AM ET (US)
We already had a doc die unfortunately. So we would need a second doc to exist.
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supersoft
11-23-2013
11:15 AM ET (US)
+ they have one RBer for sure. Maybe even a madhatter.

Pandain is confirmed town now btw. I thought he'd die at the end of d3.
There is no way that he's scum and they take this huge risk.
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supersoft
11-23-2013
11:12 AM ET (US)
i think we might have even 7-8 since they had a doctor and a 2shot vig. Thats a lot of powerroles already in their hands.
A madhatter and a Vet in addition could make sense.

The amount of Masons doesnt matter.
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supersoft
11-23-2013
11:11 AM ET (US)
about 6 blues make sense.
We had 2 trackers, 2 vigs, 1 RBer and 1 doc.
That makes sense doesnt it?
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supersoft
11-23-2013
11:05 AM ET (US)
why not. they had one.
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Mig
11-23-2013
11:00 AM ET (US)
Why do you think we have a doc?
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supersoft
11-23-2013
10:56 AM ET (US)
sure. they are my top3 scumreads aswell... Risen has to die first.
I wont block risen. They know i think he's scum. I guess i go with coag...
I don't think you will die tonight. We have a doctor for sure. And it makes sense to call protection on you.
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Mig
11-23-2013
10:43 AM ET (US)
When I die tonight SS it will be your job to lead the town. Murder Risen/thrawn/Coag!
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Mig
11-23-2013
10:23 AM ET (US)
I would say rb one of coag/thrawn/risen all of them seem verrrrry likely mafia.
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supersoft
11-22-2013
08:50 PM ET (US)
at least that makes room for other blues/docs to operate
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supersoft
11-22-2013
08:49 PM ET (US)
ah true. they have 4 people left yes. We need to kill that RBer.
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Mig
11-22-2013
08:27 PM ET (US)
Thank god I stayed strong on BC. You even had me doubting there last minute
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Mig
11-22-2013
08:18 PM ET (US)
I think they are going to rb you tonight unfortunately.
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supersoft
11-22-2013
08:13 PM ET (US)
okay now we need to land one fucking awesome RB and we got this game.
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supersoft
11-22-2013
08:03 PM ET (US)
awesome. we probably had 2 scum nailed. Risen is confirmed scum... SHIT. now we have one empty day!!!
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supersoft
11-22-2013
08:01 PM ET (US)
AH SHOULD I SAVE PANDAIN?
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supersoft
11-22-2013
08:00 PM ET (US)
rofl he's scum!!!
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supersoft
11-22-2013
08:00 PM ET (US)
this day could end terribly...
dude bc must be town... Oats is scum
the worst part is, that noone actually listens
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Mig
11-22-2013
07:57 PM ET (US)
Please god let Risen be mafia
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supersoft
11-22-2013
07:24 PM ET (US)
meeeh i wanna see Oats dead. He must die. He is so scummy. He does the same as Risen, only worse
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Mig
11-22-2013
07:13 PM ET (US)
Risen voting Pandain/rayn. The 2 guys he is competing not to die with. Shocker.
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Mig
11-22-2013
07:10 PM ET (US)
LM's vote is a bit shady. Votes in vote thread without saying so in regular thread and he voted so late it was just an addon vote for BC who was very likely to die.
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supersoft
11-22-2013
07:06 PM ET (US)
people voting BC aren't scum on my list... hmm at least that looks okay so far. No scum on the wagon on the other hand is also suspicious...
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supersoft
11-22-2013
06:17 PM ET (US)
we should lynch risen.

"while playing a second game"

i saw that, too and I laughed out loud in front of my PC. This guy is sick!
I never ever played two games. It's just way too much.
I was sitting in my exam today and at one point I was thinking about BC being scum or not :D
this game consumes so much free time :D

Okay. Risen should die tonight he hasnt done anything protown so far. thats for sure. Not even his defense is protown.
His play fits a devent scumplayer thats that. Nothing points towards town. i looked through his stuff there is nothing.

Pandain is so calm and everything. he agrees on my reads... i know could be scum buddying me. I mean he buddied me since day1. _MAYBE_ a little too much, that's why i was suspicious of him from time to time...
And he said Mocsta isnt a good lynch.
But yes.
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Mig
11-22-2013
06:12 PM ET (US)
Should we be trying to push the lynch onto risen and off of pandain? If pandain is actually vet it is a big loss for town.
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Mig
11-22-2013
05:58 PM ET (US)
I am feeling better about a Risen lynch after HFs post. I agree with him Risen was really shitting up the thread hard.
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Mig
11-22-2013
05:55 PM ET (US)
random thought, marv played in world heavyweight championship (which risen "won" as mafia), and if he rigged alignments in this game, I wouldn't be surprised if he made risen mafia
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Mig
11-22-2013
05:38 PM ET (US)
I mean I guess it is possible. But he has 34 pages of filter lol and that was while playing a second game. He made a really nice plan to try and figure out the mason circle with VE thinking he could catch a liar with it.

He can be mafia, honestly his filter is so big I haven't read through all of it but fuck how many mafia have 34 page filters while playing 2 games. Would be insane dedication.
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supersoft
11-22-2013
05:35 PM ET (US)
what about rayn as scum... is he in marvs eyes good enough to replace BC as the scumteamvet?
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Mig
11-22-2013
05:27 PM ET (US)
Well I will hope you are wrong and I hope BC dies.
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supersoft
11-22-2013
05:23 PM ET (US)
bah, Risen is scum. He is. That defense lacks actual content. Perfect scumdefense
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supersoft
11-22-2013
05:22 PM ET (US)
okay. I vote for Risen, but i cannot vote for BC. seriously I can't. He's not scum. I sense it.
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Mig
11-22-2013
04:41 PM ET (US)
I kind of just want to keep murdering risen. He brought so much chaos into the town. Seems like awesome scum play.
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Mig
11-22-2013
04:39 PM ET (US)
These guys are so fucking stupid it is unreal.

Pandain said you doctored the logs because (if he is town) he wants mafia to think he is another role and not vet so they shoot him. This is incredibly obvious. So obvious I almost want to put it in thread but it is bad if the mafia are as dense as these monkeys.
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Mig
11-22-2013
04:31 PM ET (US)
This is a nightmare. I am so afraid we are just being owned by Risen. But I have no clue.
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Mig
11-22-2013
04:18 PM ET (US)
lol I was thinking the same, fuck if hes scum hes good but he keeps bragging about how good as scum he was in world heavy weight.

I mean he didnt try at all before now now that he is about to be lynched hes going nuts
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supersoft
11-22-2013
04:17 PM ET (US)
wtf is he doing now... wow okay.
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supersoft
11-22-2013
04:15 PM ET (US)
actually this: i understand why you want to lynch me is genius... If he's scum he's really good...
lol
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supersoft
11-22-2013
04:13 PM ET (US)
i honestly don't know :D
he looks like a decent scumplayer to me. This defense fits a scumplayer somehow.
Note that he refuses to give any reasonable and serious reads.
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Mig
11-22-2013
04:10 PM ET (US)
So what do we do about Risen lol
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supersoft
11-22-2013
04:07 PM ET (US)
ahh okay youre right about this.
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Mig
11-22-2013
04:03 PM ET (US)
Their strategy seems to be shoot 1 vet 1 useless person. The fact that you expressed so much suspicion to BC is probably what kept me alive lol. Also remember you called for a medic on me last night and it makes him look pretty bad if I die after calling him out.
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supersoft
11-22-2013
03:58 PM ET (US)
btw. in my eyes you are basically confirmed town now. Why would scum shoot 2 extremely scummy townies and claim 2 shot vig. That never ever happened. + your playstyle fits the 2shotvig so well :D it makes complete sense. As scum I'd RBed or shot you n1.
I really dont think BC is scum. Think about it. Who would be BCs most important targets! I think you would be dead by now.
who would scumBC shoot?
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supersoft
11-22-2013
03:55 PM ET (US)
it is...
an Oats-redflip would be so good right now. I really need this to make all these voices that want me dead to shut up.
Risens defense is somehow strange. I need to reread some parts of this thread... brb
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Mig
11-22-2013
03:53 PM ET (US)
But there is seriously nobody defending risen lol everybody seems happy to murder him.
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Mig
11-22-2013
03:50 PM ET (US)

Makes sense to me. Any consideration for him withholding a KP to get oats lynched at a later point in time? I'm fine with not lynching super now. But that means Oats needs to go so we can lynch super after if Oats flips town. That's just the way it has to be.

For now:
##unvote: supersoft
Don't know how you're town. I think you're scum going for the 1 for 1. I'd be impressed by this bus, though not surprised.

This post seems shady to me, especially of Oats is town. Why would Oats being town make you mafia. The idea that you would trade yourself 1 for 1 doesnt make any sense.
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Mig
11-22-2013
03:47 PM ET (US)
How about Oats agreeing with BC and voting me lol. This game is a nightmare.
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supersoft
11-22-2013
03:44 PM ET (US)
i am torn about risen, too. His reads are too bad to be scum same applys for BC btw.
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supersoft
11-22-2013
03:44 PM ET (US)
thrawn has to die at some point. Same applys for oats.
They won't get out of this
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Mig
11-22-2013
03:41 PM ET (US)
I am so torn, because Risen's defense is pretty solid but I would expect a scum Risen to not go down without a fight?

Not sure. Thrawn seems like a good choice regardless tho.
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supersoft
11-22-2013
03:40 PM ET (US)
I write up a case
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supersoft
11-22-2013
03:40 PM ET (US)
sure thrawn is a really strong scumread of mine.
Okay.
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Mig
11-22-2013
03:29 PM ET (US)
Hey do you think we should maybe switch from Risen to thrawn? He hasn't posted in forever and keeps posting in the other game. 65 times!
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Mig
11-22-2013
03:25 PM ET (US)
From reading that, HF thinks pandain is doc and you covered for him by altering the mason logs from him claiming doc to vet.
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supersoft
11-22-2013
02:56 PM ET (US)
BloodyC0bbler - scummy, based on what I just said


Mig - BC does put doubt into my mind about him but as I see it he didn't shoot BC because me and artanis were putting up a smokescreen to shoot BC, Mig didn't want to waste a bullet by shooting the same target and he can't possibly know there is a rb'er on their team if nobody has said so so far and if this whole affair wasn't mentioned my original read on him was town


Onegu - He hasn't been here but his first posts were only targetting me and for shitty reasons, he then focused austin and that's his entire contribution this game, he just returned and made a god awful list of who he thought was scum without any reasoning. I think he might be scum.


Koshi - He looks like towny koshi, he's trying to get rayn killed right now because he thinks he is justified in his read on him. I don't think he'd go out of his way to go past thread sentiment and get people to vote rayn


Coagulation - I do not know anything about him


hiro protagonist thrawn2112 - is posting in another game and not here after being called out by austin (even if that case seemed misguided) also scummy


Hopeless1der - original scum read, hasn't changed, not contributing


Grackaroni - mocsta flip made him look towny, I do not know what to honestly think of him other than his total lack of real contributions, I'd have to wait for a BC flip because if BC flips scum I think grack is also scum


Pandain - looked scummy based off of rayn's/hopeless' case, hasn't said much after day 2 half way. Haven't got awful vibes from him and I'm pretty sure he claimed doctor to you based on his reactions. Still a bit surprised that he claimed 25 posts into a mason qt with you because he had no way of knowing if you were town based on that, looks like a case of too much knowledge if anything


supersoft - i really liked your day 1, I've felt that you have slipped off a bit. I liked that you didn't want to lynch BH because I was pushing the same vendetta to gain information. I think you are pretty towny for that, covered up a potential doc too so yeh


VayneAuthority - no reason not to believe he isn't hatter, hasn't promoted an agenda like people say his scum games have


raynpelikoneet - towny from sheer amount of posts and confusion on his part, dumb, but towny


austinmcc - think he might be vet, his questions day 1 didn't really lead anywhere towards his reads, in mason chat with me he also ignored me when i was talking about mocsta until I called him out for it and then he said "oh yeh dont think mocsta is scum", wary of him but his play today suggests towny


Risen - ......nothing to comment on but ruining town


Mr. Cheesecake - lurker, no idea


LoneMeow - also lurker, made a case on why he could be scum and I think that applies, been sitting back whilst we shit on everything


Alakaslam - don't think he's scum based off of day 1/2 but can't be sure as he's changed his style a lot


Oatsmaster - I made a case on him with BC and hopeless as my other reads, I think his play was really bad and everytime I mention him people throw me off of him saying useless is his town meta... -.-


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this is his stuff
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supersoft
11-22-2013
02:54 PM ET (US)
or is he the doctor? or the victim? lol.
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supersoft
11-22-2013
02:53 PM ET (US)
mig, i am masoned to holyflare right now, he masoned me this morning:
He gave me a list of his reads:

that's the one about me:
supersoft - i really liked your day 1, I've felt that you have slipped off a bit. I liked that you didn't want to lynch BH because I was pushing the same vendetta to gain information. I think you are pretty towny for that, covered up a potential doc too so yeh

last sentence. What did I do?
Does he have informations i don't have? does that mean hes scum and knows oats didnt carry a KP so there must be a doc?
What?
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supersoft
11-22-2013
01:30 PM ET (US)
haha dont worry ^_^

yes the Risenlynch is happening pretty fast... I just came home had a 5 hour exam :-o
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Mig
11-22-2013
01:07 PM ET (US)
I defended you in thread. If you are somehow scum I will hate you forever. Keep this in mind!
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Mig
11-22-2013
12:16 PM ET (US)
what do you think about koshi's rayn case?
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Mig
11-22-2013
07:22 AM ET (US)
Hey are you concerned with how little resistance there is to the Risen lynch? Risen just instantly jumped to 5 votes as soon as we voted him. BC lynch is struggling went to 7 then down to 4 etc there is some resistance.
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Mig
11-21-2013
10:29 PM ET (US)
What do you think about the fact that artanis was rbd after he said he was going to shoot BC. Would mafia rb him then and not let him kill BC? BC is a persuasive guy look at all the people unvoting him. Seems like a terrible move by mafia to let him live if so.
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Mig
11-21-2013
10:28 PM ET (US)
Honestly not sure BC is going to be lynched today lol.
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Mig
11-21-2013
10:25 PM ET (US)
I could see being frustrated that nobody listens to his cases. I don't know if I buy his anger post on d2 tho. We were already lynching BH, who he wanted to lynch! And in your mason log he wasn't acting angry at all. Dunno I also don't know if I believe the "I am so bad at town blah blah blah". I haven't actually played with bc for a couple years but he used to have wayyyyy more confidence in himself.

In the end I just have more respect for BC to where I don't think he would really be tunneling me and grack endlessly as town. Could be wrong but I don't think so.

It makes sense with Risen as scum also. Did you notice Risen disappeared when I asked him what makes him town.
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supersoft
11-21-2013
07:40 PM ET (US)
his points are hard to understand for me and they are mainly his perspective... aaaaaah BC :D
always the same. He always looks scummy to me...
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supersoft
11-21-2013
07:38 PM ET (US)
his holyflare-read could be something i can agree on. Need to check him out myself.
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supersoft
11-21-2013
07:28 PM ET (US)
BCs reads are terrible. You two are basically my strongest townreads.
But his behaviour isnt scummy. He pushed me day1 into the vest, i wasn't RBed, his frustration is real
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supersoft
11-21-2013
05:29 PM ET (US)
i made a few lists. As i said. I need some more time to have a really deep look into BC.
Everything is in the thread ^_^
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supersoft
11-21-2013
05:16 PM ET (US)
yeah i had to laugh when i opened this filter and that HUGE post popped up on my screen

^_^
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Mig
11-21-2013
05:08 PM ET (US)
lol after reading that filter how can this Risen be town. It is like he is purposefully being dense just to fuck the town.
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supersoft
11-21-2013
04:52 PM ET (US)
ah if Risen is scum, scumBC makes sense. I need to find this!
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supersoft
11-21-2013
04:48 PM ET (US)
ROFL

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...user=Risen&view=all

look at that filter and look at his filter this game. This is the most ridiculous difference in meta i ever saw!
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Mig
11-21-2013
04:18 PM ET (US)
I have no clue what to make of Risen. I feel like he is actively trying to harm town but does that make him scum or someone who really cares none at all.
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supersoft
11-21-2013
02:44 PM ET (US)
coag:
TL Mafia LXIII: Time to scroll...

this guys is actually pretty funny. beside that his filter is pretty empty.
could be blue or scum.

scumgame:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...oagulation&view=all

towngame:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...oagulation&view=all

some larger posts in the towngame unlike our current game.
Meta suggests scum.
content is nonexistant.
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Mig
11-21-2013
02:05 PM ET (US)
Right the way he defends BC is what is suspicious to me. If he defended BC hard I could see it as Mocsta defending for town cred/to buddy up with BC. But he soft defends without ever calling BC town just trying to get the pressure off of him without looking like hes supporting.
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supersoft
11-21-2013
01:36 PM ET (US)
"BC could be scum, but you aren't even trying to interact with him to develop the read further.
it comes down to asset management."

this is a key statement in my eyes. He attacks the way yamato attacks BC. He doesnt try to defend BC directly. He doesnt say BC is town.
Ahhhh it's difficult... i'd really like to lynch Oats before BC... Whatever, moving on to Thrawn. I gotta read him.
I remember, that he's extremely agressive as town usually and more active. He adapted some of my scumhuntingtechnics, i "coached" him one time :-P
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supersoft
11-21-2013
01:33 PM ET (US)
well okay. I checked this Oats/BC thing, yes BC is very diffident about Oats. that is true. He said he looks bad etc. but he didnt support me.

And all in all, BCs support of the BH lynch is suspicious. I didn't understand that lynch at all...
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Mig
11-21-2013
12:51 PM ET (US)
Also btw if you think Thrawn is scum what do you think about him supporting BC's terrible Grack case?
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Mig
11-21-2013
12:49 PM ET (US)
Wouldn't a mislynch of BC day1 be really good for mafia? And his defense of BC is so weak he doesnt say BC is town it isn't buddying.
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Mig
11-21-2013
12:47 PM ET (US)
Super what do you think about mocsta defending BC day1

warn delete filter user info
no yam you may be a town read for me, but thats not enough to secure my vote.

BC could be scum, but you aren't even trying to interact with him to develop the read further.
it comes down to asset management.
BC is a highly respected vet. let's entertain you and say he is scum.
there are still 5 others out there, 4 if you include storrzerg.

the risak of losing a town BC far exceeds the gain from losing a scum BC, this early on in my opinion.



???
a day1 town BC loss is a massive win for scum.

if he is scum and lynched. course its a good win fie town, but the team still has 5 members and can continue as before.

I think in this scenario, the benefit of a town vet outweighs a scum vet.
its why people say leave marv and palmar to day 2 or 3 regardless of performance.
BC fits into that grouping.


now I know for fact you are worthless as a mayor. too self absorbed to even consider if you are wrong,
I want to win the game, not be voted in as mayor, clearly we have two different objectives,

He also used this to describe Yam as mayor. BC in his mason log with you said almost the exact same thing (yam being self absorbed)
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Mig
11-21-2013
12:31 PM ET (US)
k noted
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marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted
11-21-2013
12:16 PM ET (US)
/m53 I removed the replacement list at some point in Day 2, because I felt it unrealistic to replace into a game that long.
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Mig
11-21-2013
12:13 PM ET (US)
Also the fact that hiro replaced out makes him slightly more scum in my eyes. Stutters was just modkilled.
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Mig
11-21-2013
12:08 PM ET (US)
I agree on Thrawn. His interaction with BH was weird he was totally convinced he was town/assassin only wouldn't consider the possibility that he could be scum. I was really close to shooting him instead of mattchew except for the missing kp.
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supersoft
11-21-2013
10:53 AM ET (US)
It's always like that in games with mayors. People focus on the "vets" day1 and continue to do so after that.
Why don't we just start where we start every game. Lynch scummy people and not try to find the "biggest and best and most dangerous" scumplayer at the beginning.
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supersoft
11-21-2013
10:51 AM ET (US)
I also don't really get how all these guys approach this game. It's impossible to filter single persons, since noone quotes important stuff and the majority of the posts are oneliner-dialogues.

Okay. Enough whining about this. I really don't want to lynch BC today, I prefer thrawn and Oats. I know thrawn well, this is not his townplay. I am going to write a case about him.

Yes these two are likely not the big fishs in the scumteam but they are very likely to be scum in my eyes. I really don't see any possibility that they are not.

I have lots of strong townreads so far and obviously BC is on the edge, but I don't want to lynch someone who is on the edge rather than stron scumreads!
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supersoft
11-21-2013
10:47 AM ET (US)
I don't see anything scummy about my play. I wrote a completely reasonable case on oats. Noone ever really told my what i overlook about him.

Sure. BC looks not exactly town.

Yes, balance wise he looks terribly. I believe your claim, you shot two townies, but I had them as scum on my list, too. Thats why i immediately asked if someone else shot sharrant.

And yes. I don't agree with his reads. I didnt agree with his read on Grack and ever since then only his townreads on yamato/VE/myself were on spot.
I don't agree with his read on you, but from his perspective, if he's town, he has the same point balancewise against you that i have/you have against him. Under the assumption that he thinks that I am town, it makes sense, that he's suspicious of you.

But, I probably wasn't RBed. The reason for this could either be that they have no RBer, that BC thought I'd block town - unlikely since i had Mocsta - their vig - down as scum on my list and he knew that.
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Mig
11-21-2013
10:22 AM ET (US)
"
And I currently think SS is scummier for having worse reads than BC. Also noob claiming."

worse reads than BC lol what good reads has BC had.
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Mig
11-21-2013
10:21 AM ET (US)
Oats says so either BC or SS is scum then votes you lol. Unquestionably if you compare you and BC BC is way scummier right?
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Mig
11-21-2013
10:19 AM ET (US)
Have you noticed that Oats/BC have pretty much avoided each other the entire game. Oats

Like why hasn't BC voted Oats with you? He trusts you completely as town right and you are totally sure he is mafia + your rber thing. Why would BC keep tunneling Grack and never switch to oats with you? Like even yesterday when Oats got like 7 votes BC never voted him. BC got 4 votes yesterday Oats not one of them.
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Mig
11-21-2013
10:17 AM ET (US)
Rethinking Oats here

Oatsmaster Singapore. November 15 2013 11:42. Posts 7865 Gift TL+ PM Profile Report Quote Edit #
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So what I dont like about Mocsta's mayor post is that its very staged and rehearsed. Which obviously is scummy because town dont need to make up shit and make sure it sounds nice.

The thing with Storrzerg, like the stuff he says is objectively scummy. Sure. Noob claiming and all that. But town do it too.
On the other hand, he doesnt normally post so reservedly.
So in conclusion, I am null on Storrzerg and null on Mocsta.

This post is pretty bad. Coming up with null on Mocsta after saying what he is doing is scummy
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Mig
11-21-2013
10:02 AM ET (US)
How about the fact that I shot mattchew (one of BCs top scum reads) and BC immediately decides that makes me mafia
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Mig
11-21-2013
09:30 AM ET (US)
If BC is town he is one of the worst players I have ever seen. Not even exaggerating.

Did you read his arguments against me for why I would claim the shots as mafia? He couldn't be more full of shit.
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supersoft
11-21-2013
09:18 AM ET (US)
no note really. I played with BC for so many times, and he's always like that. I need Oats to flip. If oats is scum I highly doubt that BC is scum, too
and right now, Oats looks terrible to me.
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Mig
11-20-2013
11:52 PM ET (US)
Can you agree BC is obviously mafia now?
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Mig
11-20-2013
10:35 PM ET (US)
Fuck I wish I had just shot BC lol. If BC was town I would have 0 qualms about going after pandain/Oats
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Mig
11-20-2013
10:34 PM ET (US)
Who do you want as your second lynch target besides oats?
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Mig
11-20-2013
10:34 PM ET (US)
The possibility of you blocking a kp with Oats is nice but relies on so much stuff (oats must be scum and scum couldn't have shot bh and there couldn't have been a medic save). And the problem is there is guaranteed at least 1 rber in the game.

But on the flip side if we lynched oats and he flipped scum you are guaranteed town no question.
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Mig
11-20-2013
10:28 PM ET (US)
There is so much weird stuff. Town really has a roleblocker 2 trackers a doc 2 2 shot vigs, possible mad hatter, possibly 2 vets. 5 million masons. Ridiculous zone here.
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Mig
11-20-2013
10:25 PM ET (US)
Yes better lol. Sorry if I don't trust as instantly as you seem to.
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supersoft
11-20-2013
09:06 PM ET (US)
i honestly don't know. I need to filter some of his games for that...
I didnt to much work on this game d2 tbh, since BH was a clear lynch since the beginning of the day.
I got to get my stuff going again.
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Mig
11-20-2013
09:01 PM ET (US)
Also what do you think about Risen? I have never played with before. Is he always like this?
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supersoft
11-20-2013
08:58 PM ET (US)
yes.
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Mig
11-20-2013
08:58 PM ET (US)
Can I see your logs with BC/VE/pandain would help a lot.
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supersoft
11-20-2013
08:50 PM ET (US)
Oatsmaster, Pandain, Hopeless1der, Coagulation, (hiro) thrawn2112 and Mocsta.

that could do it. Pandain is good, oats is good. Coag is expected to be a decent scumplayer. Hiro is decent and mocsta is decent.

it think that team could do it. The average skilllvl in this game is pretty high i guess.
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Mig
11-20-2013
08:49 PM ET (US)
And there are so many scenarios here, what if they did rb you but also wasted a shot on bh. We would never know.
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supersoft
11-20-2013
08:47 PM ET (US)
i claimed only to BC.

i told VE on d2 and we talked about BC then.
I knew that VE wasnt scum.
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Mig
11-20-2013
08:46 PM ET (US)
This is going to take some thinking lol. We know for a fact that mafia have a rber because artanis was rbd. I am trying to decide if you were the rber lol. So weird you claimed day 1 to 2 different people that's so nuts.

But ok lets go hypothetical if you and BC were both town then who is the scum team. Is pandain/Oats strong enough of a team for marv to have balanced it that way?
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supersoft
11-20-2013
08:42 PM ET (US)
I thought if BC is scum, they never let mocsta deliver a KP since i might RB him, my latest target.
unfortunately he was vig and they went for the shot regardless.
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supersoft
11-20-2013
08:41 PM ET (US)
no they chose the KPbearer. Thats why i didnt block mocsta.... :-(
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Mig
11-20-2013
08:38 PM ET (US)
Is the KP given out randomly?
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supersoft
11-20-2013
08:37 PM ET (US)
I thought Oats doesnt delive a KP twice, if i RBed him successfully.
I mean they have 5 people to carry 2 KP
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supersoft
11-20-2013
08:36 PM ET (US)
Yes, i have huuuuge issues with the balancing.
If I had to rank the people in the game, like Marv would do it, the list looks somehow like this:

BloodyC0bbler / supersoft / mig?*
BH / VE
pandain / oats / mocsta / mattchew

ah it's difficult. I don't know their historys. Marv doesn't play mafia as long as i do, but he played in the shorter time a lot more games. He probably knows these newer players very well. I know that marv expects something from me and BC.
*I don't know if he knew you.

VE and BH make perfect sense as assassins. They show that he definetely influenced the roles.. there is nothing random about this choice.
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Mig
11-20-2013
08:32 PM ET (US)
Also why did you rb mattchew and not oats again?
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Mig
11-20-2013
08:31 PM ET (US)
So isn't there a chance Mafia didn't even rb you even if BC was mafia.
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supersoft
11-20-2013
08:30 PM ET (US)
obviously only 10min before deadline, so it didnt affect their nightactions.
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Mig
11-20-2013
08:29 PM ET (US)
Hey also did you tell BC who you were going to RB?
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Mig
11-20-2013
08:24 PM ET (US)
Ok lets discuss balancing. Do you think Marv would have balanced the players in the game?
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supersoft
11-20-2013
08:23 PM ET (US)
Meeeeh, i don't know... I'd kill Oats today. He's scummy, one KP is missing, i possibly RBed him...
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Mig
11-20-2013
08:21 PM ET (US)
Definitely not on VE of course. BH is possible if they really believed he was a tracker. From mafia perspective they knew he wasnt mafia so maybe they did actually believe his claim. Or possibly a doctor saved someone.
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supersoft
11-20-2013
08:21 PM ET (US)
i wanted to be mayor. I thought i know when i get RBed, because I thought my Masonpower suffers from RBs. I was wrong.
I found out just before your long post, and my post where is said BC is scum.
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supersoft
11-20-2013
08:20 PM ET (US)
aaaaah he didnt shoot BC okaaaay... ahm okay. Gotta think:

BC is scum ----> he knows i am RBer. ----> they RBed me, -----> 1 KP is missing.

BC is town ----> he knows, but they don't know -----> I may have blocked a shot -----> Oats is scum. Or the shot is somewhere else. (unlikely on BH and not on VE either, since he has a vest and a single shot. no)
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Mig
11-20-2013
08:19 PM ET (US)
But so you did claim to him. So day1 you claimed to TWO different people lol. What the fuck.
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supersoft
11-20-2013
08:18 PM ET (US)
VE wasn't scum. I was 99% sure of that.
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Mig
11-20-2013
08:18 PM ET (US)
Nobody shot BC he was going to survive regardless. Artanis shot austin
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supersoft
11-20-2013
08:17 PM ET (US)
I think it's scenario 3
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Mig
11-20-2013
08:17 PM ET (US)
Pretty fishy for you to claim to BC on day1, you understand that right. Like what could he have said that made you trust him so completely. And wtf did you claim to VE also? Because VE seemed to know that somebody had a power and was mason as well.
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supersoft
11-20-2013
08:17 PM ET (US)
scenario 1:

If they have a RBer and BC is scum, I would have been blocked n1 and I could not have prevented a KP
= one shot is missing.

scenario 2:

No RBer. Makes no sense that BC survived.

scenario 3:

BC is town, they have a RBer didnt use it on me, i blocked the shot, oats is scum
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Mig
11-20-2013
08:14 PM ET (US)
I am wondering if BC is town would they just let artanis shoot him or would they rb artanis in the hopes we mislynch bc after.
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Mig
11-20-2013
08:13 PM ET (US)
The fact that austin is still alive means that pretty much no matter what artanis was rbd. The question now is did they believe him when he said he was going to shoot bc and that is why they rbd?
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supersoft
11-20-2013
08:13 PM ET (US)
i kind of trusted him. i thought you were scum. Now you're blue and your absense makes perfect sense.
If the KP didnt go missing else where, Oats is scum
and BC is scum
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supersoft
11-20-2013
08:12 PM ET (US)
i claimed what i am. I am townRBer and i blocked Oats and Mattchew.
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Mig
11-20-2013
08:11 PM ET (US)
Yea quite unfortunate I murdered 2 townies. Ok so when did you claim to BC and wtf why did you claim to him?
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supersoft
11-20-2013
08:10 PM ET (US)
well well well, so you shot two townies... I admit, i RBed your last target.
I thought BC is dead. We have a problem now.
Why didnt he die?
do they have a RBer?
Did my RB block scumKP or did it went missing on another way?
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marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted
11-20-2013
08:04 PM ET (US)
supersoft and Mig mason day 3/night 3