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OdinOfPergo
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
Regarding the Balla,OWB,Storr arguement that took place pg 6-8, + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2013 10:07 cakemanofdoom wrote: Storr's post seems to be just trying to randomly add suspicion on Balla. There's no justification behind it, only a weak suggestion that the post might be bad somehow. Almost like he's hoping for someone else to jump in and find a reason to get Balla lynched. Alright, so Storr's commet at first seemed wierd to me. But then I re-read the thread.. His statement is pretty obvious lost townie to me at this point. And then you go and follow up with this: + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2013 10:21 cakemanofdoom wrote: onlywonderboy's the one who's defending Balla. I'm simply questioning Storr right now: his pressure, if it's just pressure, came without any sort of explanation, or justification. At least, wouldn't something concrete (rather than a vague comment that can basically be ignored as personal musing) be better for forcing people to talk? Ok so he's defending "the thread moving fast" So that makes.. Vanesco, Balla, OWB, Obzy, Storr, and myself all scum. Well shit. I guess you better get to lynching. Your train of thought makes no sense here. Trying to push off your statement onto OWB seems even more retarted. You might as well of said "OOPS GUYS, I slipped up. I'm just going to blame someone else and hope no one remembers or re-reads the thread!" I'm not the only one to notice this. I will spare the quotes for length since I'm pretty sure everyone remembers. You had a bit of a train going anyway. + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2013 15:53 cakemanofdoom wrote: Not addressing Balla is because I've been trying to address my accusations in general. I only addressed people directly when they directly ask me something or if there's something in a post that confused me. I think Balla is justified in calling me scummy (though I'm not scum). Van's comment on me defending Balla was inaccurate, so I wanted to correct him. Carelessly, I mentioned owb's post as an example of what I consider defending (actually disagreeing with the one who's doing the questioning) in hopes of making it clear that I was not defending. I can see how that looks like deflecting, and why that looks bad on me. And then, I was trying to get more people to talk, though that came off as asking people for their thoughts without contributing anything to town. It's just that at that point, from my perspective, no one was acting particularly scummy, so I focused on trying to get people to say stuff that I could make reads with. Hope my thought process is clear to you all. I'm town, and I know there's not much that I can say at this point to convince you guys of that. Thankfully, we have plenty of time for others to post, so hopefully I'll prove my innocence hunting scum once everyone else starts posting. Your only defense is that you realize you look like trash. Balla's later statement helps you out a little. But don't think I'm just going to ignore this because of it. You go on to tell people to stop talking about rl issues (Work,gf,hobbies, wtf ever.) Well how exactly do you plan to push you case? Ok I just worked a 17 hour shift. I went to sleep as soon as I got home. Am I scum for that? You just said I was based on your logic. JonnyLaw I don't like any of your post. I'm willing to let post like these + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2013 11:29 JonnyLaw wrote: I'll be out for a couple hours but I'll check the thread before I head to sleep. I don't want to clog up the thread with useless posts. I like storr's abrasiveness early. It moves our discussion along. I want to hear the response to balla's question. Looking at the TL profiles nyxnyxnyx is the only player clearly marked outside of North America. Make your presence known here town. Otherwise you're going to end up lynched and that's not a great start to the game. slip by early since we are still only a few hours into D1. What can I say? Oh well... he probably has nothing to go on.. This was my exact train of thought when I read these. I didn't agree with them but I also had a lot more to work with since I am coming into D1 half way through.But the problem is you make a lot of them. Like these; + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2013 13:48 JonnyLaw wrote: @cake Nah, I'm keeping that opinion to myself for a while. I'm not telling anyone how to play on day one. Nyxnyxnyx is active in lol subforum. I expect to see him post in the next few hours. It's an awkward time for him. @storr If you've played or obs'd newb games you'd understand his concern. This thread looks active and that's an oddity from what i've seen in the last two games. On October 30 2013 10:21 JonnyLaw wrote: I disagree that length of posts matter but posting actively and participating in the game does matter. That could be what he meant just phrased differently. That's exactly what we should be talking about at this point in order to form a plan for finding the scum in the game. What does this add to the game? Nothing. Also Nyx wasn't active... So you're plainly just fucking lying. Ontop of that, you bring arguements like this in; On October 30 2013 16:45 JonnyLaw wrote: ##vote Vanesco Here's the beginning of the long posts. Vanesco repeatedly apologizes and brings nothing new to the table. Jumping on with Storr. + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2013 10:15 Vanesco wrote: Or maybe Storr is trying to pressure Balla or see if someone decides to jump on it... You seem very defensive of Balla, especially since nothing of importance has been given by anybody as of yet. I think pressuring people to talk is a good thing on the start of Day 1 since nobody is confirmed (apart from Obzy ofc). In this post he apologized where? And you outright lie about Nyx? K. Give me a # or I'm going to go ahead and tag you as scum since you called me out on PG 16. + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2013 10:15 Vanesco wrote: Or maybe Storr is trying to pressure Balla or see if someone decides to jump on it... You seem very defensive of Balla, especially since nothing of importance has been given by anybody as of yet. I think pressuring people to talk is a good thing on the start of Day 1 since nobody is confirmed (apart from Obzy ofc). Ok, so you re-post the SAME QUOTE in your post twice. I don't even understand. Why don't you just add your "early bandwagon" crap earlier when you posted this? Why do you feel the need to quote it twice? Remember he jumped on an EARLY bandwagon. + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2013 11:40 Vanesco wrote: @cakemanofdoom All I'm saying is that onlywonderboy didn't really respond to StorrZ comment other than saying he doesn't agree. You on the other hand just talk about Storr trying to pressure Balla with no evidence (which is in my opinion is a justified play on page 1 of day 1). It just seems to me like you are trying to redirect off of Balla. I don't see any hint of a an apology in these post. I can only see Vanesco trying to reason out who his first lynch should be. Where the hell do you see any hint of hesitation or apology? All his post seem to be on point so far. You're pretty much trying to just drag up an empty argument against him and hoping that people don't read your screw-ball post. Well, short luck for you pal. I always break down post to the best of my ability. And your's look like crap. And again so apologetic. If you're not mafia what do you have to hide? + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2013 11:46 Vanesco wrote: @Obzy In my mind I play by thinking everybody is potential mafia at the start(except for me and you). Maybe defending was a wrong word to use, instead maybe redirecting would be better. If Balla and cakeman are mafia together, then it seems like cakeman is trying to redirect off of Balla by saying that there is no concrete evidence (like I have said many times before, there shouldnt be on page 1 of day 1). It just seems very scummy since the only way to get people to talk at the start of the day is to put a bit of pressure and he is trying to take it off Balla. There are a couple more apologizing posts then this one jumping on poofter. I'm saying poofter/vanesco are both scum. + Show Spoiler + QUOTE]On October 30 2013 14:17 Vanesco wrote: Exactly Balla, I was just about to post about Tehpoofter. I would like to hear from him, even if he thinks he has nothing to add, it would help town. And you follow with.. FLUFF! You're only defense is Balla. And that's only the case because I have a strong town read on him atm. + Show Spoiler + On October 30 2013 16:47 JonnyLaw wrote: I want responses poofter and Vanesco. Sleeping and another game are fine since we still have some time before votes are tallied and we lynch. You really didn't even mention Poof in your post, why expect some responce from him after it? Nyx I don't think we should lynch Nyx yet. He played even worse the last game. I'm like 90% sure he's just playing a bad townie. + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2013 02:36 Vonthin wrote: Not sure Nyx is mafia, he did the same exact thing last game, hardly posted here and never gave good reasons on why he thought people were scum/voting for people. I want to see him post more to see if anything is different but so far seems like standard Nyx. The point Cake has though about posting on the LoL forums is valid though. And I'm not the only one to notice it. The only post he makes that makes me question it is the call for Vane lynch along with Cake. Cake looks terrible. Vane looks pretty townie to me. + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2013 03:07 onlywonderboy wrote: nyx - I want to avoid a nyx lynch on day 1 at least. I really want to hear more from him to see if he learned anything from last game. My point earlier about him wasn't that he was quiet, it was that he's quiet so I can't really judge if he's trying to improve his play from last game July - He played a very aggro game last time too so none of his comments seem out of character. He was SK last game, but that didn't stop him from playing in a way that didn't preserve his well being. I want to see how his posts develop but his current comments might not seem as scum as a lot of people are making them out to be cake - biggest scum read (not original, but it's how I feel) A large portion of his posts have been spent defending himself and they have been incredibly wordy and not include a lot of semantics. I also I'm not sold on the tehpoofter scum read. He's been a little inconsistent, but nothing super scummy in my eyes. No, I don't agree with this. Yes I agree we should not lynch Nyx D1 for lack of posting, we should not ignore him. Just because it matches his meta is not an acceptable answer. Pretty much everyone in our last game though he was SK. Nyx, this is my call out to you. Your little claim of " I was't on subforum" doesn't help you much (even tough I looked it up, you wre not. But everyone else doesn't know that.). We already know this. Look up to my argument on Cake. I call him out for strait BS for trying to call this exact thing. I know you weren't. I'm a pretty avid LoL player. I would know if you were jumping around the LoL subforum.Respond or be on my scum reads. + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2013 03:19 nyxnyxnyx wrote: i've actually revised my opinion on cakeman, he does give off some noobie town vibes after looking through the filter. can always save him for a later lynch. for vanesco, im not sure if zealousness wrt to searching and researching people is a norm for people playing forum mafia. would a scum do that to appear useful? vanesco just seems really eager to poke at people and stir up discussion, which isn't necessarily bad. overall scum read: probably not so yes, 180 degrees turn on both. when does voting close? What makes you think Cake is not scum? You change your mind here, and while I'm glad you express your opinion, I don't understand it. Please help me out here. Why is Cake's/Vane (Vane has been pretty townie to me all game) case make you think otherwise? Also while I'm at it, Wth made you think Vanesco was scum in the first place? July On October 31 2013 02:10 July617 wrote: You call it not enough , as far as I know you could be mafia or town, I know i'm town and if my post's aren't enough then do what you will , I don't plan on digging my own grave with 1000 post's of useless crap, I want to keep them precise and to the point . and if that's not enough for you balla then oh well. Pretty much alls you say is... Umm.. "Fuck you I'm not going to contribute to this." And for what? Because you don't feel like defending yourself against arguments that get brought up by your post? Ok, that looks really bad. If I came into this post right now (after like 24 hours) and said "WELP I DON'T FEEL LIKE EXPLAINING MYSELF SUX FOR U GUIZ" that would make me look terrible right? Becuase you just did that. Oh and then your next few post; + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2013 02:22 July617 wrote: Vanesco I understand your new, but reminding us that you're new isn't helping your case. People are looking for someone to lynch and you aren't helping yourself at all right now. + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2013 02:27 July617 wrote: I don't need to grasp when you're doing the digging yourself . where exactly are you seeing this? You don't give me page numbers, you don't give me quotes. I've read this entire thead probably four times now to get everything that has happen since I was gone for so long. I don't recall anything like this. Now I could be wrong. Please point me in the right direction if this is the case. But from my POV you look like your fabricating stuff to misdirect people from you. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
Feel free to ping ideas/ suggestions off me. I will respond. Anyone not on that list should not feel safe right now. I came in late. I didn't have a ton of time to compile that post. I picked everyone who looked really scummy to me and made a case. I am subject to change said cases at a moments notice. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
##Vote cakemanofdoom | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
Odin why you gotta be like that ): all that anger and rage. anyway, unvoting since the vote's still a bit away ##Unvote | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
Thus implying you where scum. Both parties should correct me if I misunderstood this. | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
And you call me out for it. Well fine Nyx. What is your opinion on all of my scum reads? What is your opinion on any potential townies? Like I favor Balla | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
I'll dig up the proper quote for it! | ||
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Balla24
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Odin: I feel like you're ignoring a lot of relevant discussion that we had on the cake subject, specifically thesehttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=14#269 2 post from me: where I state how there is no credence to the fact that he's "plain fucking lying". It was a reasonable mis-understanding, IMO. Secondly, i'm not following how you got this idea: So that makes.. Vanesco, Balla, OWB, Obzy, Storr, and myself all scum. Well shit. I guess you better get to lynching. from cake's post. Could you elaborate? | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
1. Obzy's case on Storr 2. Jonnylaw's case on Poofter. | ||
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Balla24
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
reading the page leads me to nothing. You give me a quote link to this; On October 31 2013 07:21 Balla24 wrote: Yeah, I originally thought the same thing about nyx being active, but I knew for a fact that nyx was in a different timezone, so I brushed it off. I'm surprised that Poofter didn't have the same reaction as you did. I find it really odd that you point that out poofter as him "skewing facts into his favor" on that point since it feels like you're just skewing the facts into your favor there as well. The storrzerg thing though, is kind of interesting. I believe OWB misinterpreted that as well though (on the other side of things), i don't think it was fair for him to attack you on that. I'm not entirely sure what to think of this... please elaborate. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
I can compile a post agaist Poof. I read his filter when I pieced together my argument on my scum reads. What is happening so far (bear in mind he only had like half a page so far. So I don't have a lot to work with.) He post almost entirely contentless post and trains on Cake. The content issue I have a problem with. The Cake train... meh not so much. I have big problems with Cake myself. But since you pointed it out.. Poof, explain your reasoning or I might change my vote. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 31 2013 14:02 OdinOfPergo wrote: @ Balla, reading the page leads me to nothing. You give me a quote link to this; I'm not entirely sure what to think of this... please elaborate. Hmm, yeah kind of hard to see, I was referring to that post and the following post from me, but regardless i'll just re-explain it: When cake mentioned nyx being active in another subforum, it was because Jonnylaw pointed out that he is active in the LoL subforum (which he was just talking about that he visits that forum often) I had the initial reaction of "Oh, why the fuck isn't he posting here then", but then I went back on that since I knew nyxnyx's activity times from previous game. I can EASILY see how someone can misunderstand and think that jonnylaw was saying nyx was CURRENTLY active while the game was going on and was purposefully not posting. I did it myself, and I'm sure other people did it. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
That's why I claimed BS earlier, I will openly admit I could of missed this though. I only keep track of the main patch , and character updates that are relevant to me. IE: If Nyx posted something about skarner I'd be completely lost. Since I don't get a notice unless I've Subbed for it. If this is the case, link me too it. Because from where I'm sitting it looks like he's just fabricating shit. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 30 2013 13:48 JonnyLaw wrote: @cake Nah, I'm keeping that opinion to myself for a while. I'm not telling anyone how to play on day one. Nyxnyxnyx is active in lol subforum. I expect to see him post in the next few hours. It's an awkward time for him. @storr If you've played or obs'd newb games you'd understand his concern. This thread looks active and that's an oddity from what i've seen in the last two games. This is where cake got that idea. He's not fabricating shit. Anyways, my highest priority for you right now is your read on StorrZerg. | ||
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
Cakeman- Still agree with what I said earlier, just overreacted a lil to the early pressure to him, since then his posts seem fine to me. Possibly can be scum but I am 60/40 on him in favor of him being town, watching him closely. Jonnylaw - I think he is town so far, good at pressuring people and making them talk July- Liking him as scum but haven't really seen enough for anything definite. Storr- Maybe scum, almost all his posts are bout how the game should be played and player activity/rl excuses which is important but doesn't really contribute much to the game E00e- 2 little posts for me to form a good opinion Balla- Town, lots of posts with good questions and reads, nothing standing out in to me that says he is scum OWB- Not sure, think he is town. Talked a lot about meta stuff at the start but when someone pointed him out about it then started posting good stuff. Van- Town, been putting pressure on a lot of people for good reasons and brings up good points. Poofter- Scum from what I've seen so far. Pretty much all the reasons Jonny has given. His posts haven't had substance to them besides when he jumped on Cake Odin- Town from what I can tell, didn't like how he was aggro at the start but was prob just rl stress. Now that he is explaining stuff looks town to me. Don't agree with his Cake read though Feel free to ask me any questions will be around for a couple more hours till I have to go to sleep. | ||
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Obzy
United States525 Posts
On October 31 2013 14:23 Vonthin wrote: Feel free to ask me any questions will be around for a couple more hours till I have to go to sleep. Sure. Given that every read in your post is a sheep, please explain why we shouldn't lynch you instead. Also, please put your vote on somebody, since you seem to afk for such long periods of time that you might otherwise miss the deadline. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
On October 31 2013 14:22 Balla24 wrote: I think you're missing this: This is where cake got that idea. He's not fabricating shit. Anyways, my highest priority for you right now is your read on StorrZerg. Alright, I don't understand apperently. What I get is; Nyx is supposedly active in Lol Subforum. I came to TL Mafia from LoL. I Play a lot of Lol. I could of missed something if he posted here, I admit. But I did not get any notice to anything new during this time period. I get a notification through the webs anytime someone post something new to any of the L.O.L. Sub forums I'm subbed too. I didn't see any notice for Nyx. If he posted somewhere else, PLEASE LINK ME TO IT. I'm -5 GMT (Indianapolis, Indiana) so bear that in mind. I didn't get a notice. Jonny claimed he was active in Lol sub-forum. .... .. .. .. .... I didn't get a notice. He wasn't active or he didn't post in a area that trips my auto response. Give me a link that shows he was active somewhere. Otherwise I will stick to my original statement and say Jonny's full of it. | ||
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